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Author Topic: Super simple way to see proof Pseudo Solid principle works using ring magnets  (Read 68310 times)

Offline norman6538

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Three tests on the new setup.
1. 1/4 tilt with no magnets or weights and it slides downhill.

2. 1/2 tilt with a hard drive neo and it does not slide downhill.

3. 1/2 as in 2 but 3.5 lb brick on top and it slides downhill.

So clearly with these ballbearing wheels if friction was a factor
then 3 would not slide downhill.
I got the wheels from Lowes which are designed to put into drawer
slides. Each one has numerous balls inside the white plastic wheel.
I used kerosene to lubricate them and the all turned and spun
freely.


Photo attached, sorry for the poor lighting and color.

Let the smears begin.

Norman

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Offline Cairun

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Norman, Webby,


Although the bearing rollers and truck wheels seems free of friction, they do have some friction in them especially the rubbery truck wheels when they deform under load.
Norman, your 3rd experiment proofs the concept.  The brick(it can probably be a much lighter object) provides enough downward force to overcome the static friction and allows the cart to move.  The magnet does not provide much downward force given it's small size, but it creates a strong pull onto the steel surface which creates friction on the rollers.  You should move the cart(with only the magnet) with your hand and see if it opposes your hand. 
 
Alex,
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@GammaRayBurst

                Here are 2 PDF files and my congratulations !

                                    Thanks for all the hard work

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Offline Floor

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@webby

Same piece of steel, same incline, the truck did not move with the magnet but did move almost as easily with the 415g on top as without.

The Truck would move with the magnet but it was like it was in mud, adding more weight to the truck did not help.

                                    Yes, "the truck did not move" "The truck would move"  If you try  the aluminum foil roll and neo magnet experiment
(I posted earlier in this topic), you would see a magnet moving like it's stuck in mud,and yet aluminum is not magnetic.

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@webby
 
      A strong magnet will come to a complete stop, some times even go back wards,  then reverse direction and speed up, drag along the side of the tube, slowing down and then speeding up again.

The eddy currents producing the magnetic force, from within the aluminum, are caused by the magnet's strength, distance from the aluminum and the speed of the magnets travel.

I do see your point though.  Counter force is only being produced in the test track, if and when the magnet is moving. If the motion stops because of the eddy current magnetic force, then the magnet should start moving again, because the eddy currents died off.

The stoppage is caused by friction, assisted by the motion damping from the eddy current magnetic force, opposing the build up of momentum.

Only the momentum of the magnet is opposed due to the eddy currents. A brick can build momentum, a brick with the magnet in place
will build momentum only until the eddy currents and increased friction from their pull equalize the force present in the moving brick.

If you had a  long ramp and a brick of the the right weight, you could see the brick get moving along really fast, and then stop briefly, like someone put on the brakes.  Then it would star moving again.

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Offline gammarayburst

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Why is no one doing the ring magnet test? Or glue two cars top to top!
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2013, 07:55:10 PM »
The ring magnet tests shows so clearly that the iron rod will move freely through the magnetic field after it passes the end of the rod and moves into the middle length of the bar. No car test needed. The magnet needs to be in a floating position in these tests. Equal but opposite forces on the magnet poles.
If you have to do a car test, glue the top of one car to the top of another identical car then put the two cars between two plates in a near floating condition so all pull force on the cars will be equal but opposite. Then it will roll!
Butch

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 I found that I could have two rods touching each other and still have them pass through as if they were one,, many chained together actually and when one fell off of the chain underneath I could pick it back up and place it on top,, and scavenge that released magnetic potential.

I have played with magnetic forces a lot, and with all the time I have spent playing with magnets I am still not tired of them.

Floor,

Yes I have done many tests playing with eddy currents and tried all sorts of materials in all sorts of orientations,, I have not had any "back up" so that is interesting.  I have had them slow down to almost a stop and then speed up again but I considered that a function of saturation and stuff.  I have also played with shear field effects,, they are interesting.

Webby1,
Thanks for the input, it's a great help. I wanted to also tell everyone about a powdered iron that is available that through a special process causes each little sphere of iron to have a thin plastic coating and no current can flow from one sphere to the next. This eliminates eddy currents. Also the way transformer cores are stacked in razor thin layers and separated by a non-electrical conductor paper or coating just as thin will greatly reduce eddy currents due to the high electrical resistance of the thin metal.
So eddy currents are  not a problem with Pseudo Solid operation. the only problem I see is that the .005" air gap between each pole and the plate require a very precision and rigid machine. Please keep working with floor and myself so we can prove Pseudo Solid Principle is a key to taping free energy.
Thanks,
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Offline gammarayburst

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To Webby1 and all
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2013, 11:14:33 PM »

Webby1 said,"I found that I could have two rods touching each other and still have them pass through as if they were one,, many chained together actually and when one fell off of the chain underneath I could pick it back up and place it on top."
Webby1, This is where I got the name "Pseudo Solid" because the magnet see's the rod as one solid rod, not two rods.
Butch

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  The Lafonte reciprocating principle
To make a motor device we start with two bars with magnets together then
1.   easily sliding one magnet to the other bar makes the bars
separate  via the lafonte repel and work 1 is done
2.  then sliding that magnet out of range will stop the repel and
 the bars will attract back together and work 2 is done.
3.  then sliding the same magnet back into the repel position
and the bars separate again, then repeat at 2.

If the force required to do the two slides in 2 and 3 is less than
the work done by the repel in 2 and attract in 3 then we
have a working OU motor.

You could take a quick shortcut and measure the forces/work done
to assure yourself that it can or can't be done.

May this be your BIG Christmas present this year Butch.

Norman

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Offline Floor

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I think that there are many embodiment possibilities for the principles. I just generated a "simple" one in the drawing set (15 steps in the cycle).  He Ha

 I have been considering possible optimal lamination orientations.   I think that because of the nature of the needed movements during the magnet reorientations  to line up for the power stroke,  proper design can give exceptionally  good results. 

There are a number of refinements in terms of the geometry of the bar components that would optimize magnetic saturations.

All together, I'm pretty well certain that even a minor variation of the device in the LaFonte engine drawings would self run, if the (lineup of magnet orientations for  the power stroke) is done at very slow speeds. 

I mean even with out the use of laminations etc.

 But I don't see any way to make the principles run  linear /  non reversing and with out latching.  I'm just saying that at this point ( I ) don't see it, someone else may figure it out,  but I think  latching / right angle interactions / and reversing motions may be  the essential nature of the beast.

Like I have said before congratulations.
                                                        Floor

          Even while spending considerable force in the magnet  set up for the power stroke,  I think there's plenty left over.

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Mr. Lafonte, just wondering if you ever had any purely magnetic motor designs based on your switcher?

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Mr. Lafonte, just wondering if you ever had any purely magnetic motor designs based on your switcher?
Phoneboy, I would have to go through my files but I believe I have around 20 to 25 designs based on our Pseudo Solid operation.
Please call me Butch.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte

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@webby

Yes I have done many tests playing with eddy currents and tried all sorts of materials in all sorts of orientations,, I have not had any "back up" so that is interesting. 

    The backing up is a bounce.  Very short and brief.  If you let the falling neo mag gain speed before it enters to aluminum tube, you may feel
the bounce with the hand that is holding the tube.

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@Webby
     
    Reading back through this thread I realize, I was pretty rude to you with my sarcastic "yes",  sorry. Also to Gammarayburst for muddying up his topic with a bit of bad vibe in doing so.  Please accept my apologies.

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@Webby
     
    Reading back through this thread I realize, I was pretty rude to you with my sarcastic "yes",  sorry. Also to Gammarayburst for muddying up his topic with a bit of bad vibe in doing so.  Please accept my apologies.

                                                                   floor
Floor, thanks so much for the second file, but I don't understand the sequence of operation? Where repulsion or attraction is at any given time?

 

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