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Author Topic: How to make multiple Kicks  (Read 93334 times)

Offline Farmhand

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #135 on: December 05, 2013, 01:50:29 AM »
Should I belive you more then Dr. Schinziger? He could not detect any fraud
and no battery could have provided the output power.

No you should believe neither of us. You should only believe valid proof

Even with the newest battery tech today you would not reach same result. If so, then pleas show here.


Hoppy did that, and who would want to waste a lot of time to show an inverter made into a funny shape. Hoppy did the work already once. I applaud him for that, but to do it again makes little to no sense.

I also think it could have been some kind of receiver maybe but of waves generated by him.

And you are not paid? And because till now no one could replicate the TPU means it is a fraud? Super logic of you.
No I'm not paid, no one pays me to do anything period. That is my circumstance, like it or not.

No one replicating even with SM's help is a red flag yes, not conclusive proof it is fake and I never said that it was fake because of that one issue. You made out I said that but I didn't. Can you be trusted ?

People like you are only talking a lot without to contribute anything to it.

My first post in this thread was a contributing post i think it showed some experiments with multiple "kicks". You may have missed that.

Seems you have a very bad glass ball at home.Why should he do? Keep in mind that it is also a dangerous tech. and your attitude seems not be so friendly.  ;D

He doesn't have to do anything. Is there a reason i can not ask for some evidence of what he is claiming or promoting.

Dangerous tech that cannot be replicated, and no one can even show any free watts, I don't think so.

What is dangerous is people with little common sense and not much real knowledge of electronics experimenting with stuff that could be made dangerous by them.

If I am friendly or not does have no effect on the truth.

Now on top of everything we all know that some companies and the military are decades ahead in terms of tech than is allowed out to the public some companies may have had batteries in 1997 that are equal or even better than we see on the commercial market now. Maybe even nuclear batteries of some kind.

The point is no one knows what access/contacts SM had to companies or the military or above.

Where is he now ? What is his history before the demo's ? Has anyone had an in depth look into his earlier life to see if there are any connections to anything odd ?

Why is it not possible the good Dr. Schinziger could not have been offered a huge sum of money to make the assessment, or had his life threatened or that of his family.


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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #135 on: December 05, 2013, 01:50:29 AM »

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #136 on: December 05, 2013, 02:22:08 AM »
MeggerMan:

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people have said this is not worth pursuing because we all know what there is to know about magnetics - not so true.
just recently Nasa have discovered magnetic portals that are opened up between the sun's and earth's magnetic fields.

You are misunderstanding what the Nasa clip means.  There nothing new about magnetics discussed in the Nasa clip and in fact the basis of the discussion in the clip is our current understanding of magnetic fields.  All that that clip is about is an interaction with the solar particle wind an the Earth's magnetic field.  In other words, it's a clip about learning more about the "space weather."

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If these portals could be controlled and a magnetic vortex channelled into a small device the output power could be very high.
If a large percentage of the power could be channelled it would probably vaporise even a very large device with ease.

It might sound good on paper but it just doesn't work like that.  We can't extract power from the Aurora Borealis!

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #137 on: December 05, 2013, 07:16:39 AM »
I've just shown you a video of how at least the small TPU's it can be faked using batteries and these were not even good ones! Granted the big TPU would be a more of a challenge to fake using batteries but remember that with an operation at this scale involving investors, even the bulbs become an important component to properly investigate.

And how you would do it with the small and open TPU's?
There are already other one before you who build something like a TPU with batterys. But if it comes to the technical details, like the gyroscopic effect and some more, then they failed.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #137 on: December 05, 2013, 07:16:39 AM »
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #138 on: December 05, 2013, 08:36:46 AM »
And how you would do it with the small and open TPU's?
There are already other one before you who build something like a TPU with batterys.

Where do we see the full length of the white output wires ref this open TPU?

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #139 on: December 05, 2013, 11:06:53 AM »
No you should believe neither of us. You should only believe valid proof
It is more valid proof than your talking.

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Hoppy did that, and who would want to waste a lot of time to show an inverter made into a funny shape. Hoppy did the work already once. I applaud him for that, but to do it again makes little to no sense.
And you are the witness of Hoppys fake TPU? And who did proof his TPU if it does ALL the things what the real TPU does?
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I also think it could have been some kind of receiver maybe but of waves generated by him.
No I'm not paid, no one pays me to do anything period. That is my circumstance, like it or not.
Sound like there is still hope for you.  ;D
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No one replicating even with SM's help is a red flag yes, not conclusive proof it is fake and I never said that it was fake because of that one issue. You made out I said that but I didn't. Can you be trusted ?
Of course it is hard to belive. SM gave use only some hints how it works and we can't grasp how is it done. If someone build a TPU just with batterys then he has also to show if it has a gyroscopic effect and all the other things SM did.
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Now on top of everything we all know that some companies and the military are decades ahead in terms of tech than is allowed out to the public some companies may have had batteries in 1997 that are equal or even better than we see on the commercial market now. Maybe even nuclear batteries of some kind.

The point is no one knows what access/contacts SM had to companies or the military or above.

Where is he now ? What is his history before the demo's ? Has anyone had an in depth look into his earlier life to see if there are any connections to anything odd ?
As far as I know SM was a TV repair man and not connected to any secret millitary developments. In addition, it would have been very difficult to get any nuclear material to build a nuclear battery.
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Why is it not possible the good Dr. Schinziger could not have been offered a huge sum of money to make the assessment, or had his life threatened or that of his family.
Why it took 10 years before we heard anything about this TPU? Questions over questions. And does it help us if we ask so many things?

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #139 on: December 05, 2013, 11:06:53 AM »
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #140 on: December 05, 2013, 11:38:10 AM »
When I look at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQXXodFVUCA&list=PL6C331C42D1367DE1 and others like it I see a big box under there that could contain a powerful transmitter or a rotating powerful magnet.

Hoppy did the toroid looking thing lighting a bulb, there is nothing to believe, do I think Hoppy faked the light, no the light was real I think. No one can prove or disprove anything really, we all can only suspect of what we see, one way or the other. When another person shows a device and how it works I will believe it, until then it is a fake as far as I am concerned. Things can be faked in many ways. An average magician/illusionist could likely put on such a demonstration, they do even more striking tricks than that. Do we believe what we see the illusion artists display is really done as they suggest. Not me.

Anyway good luck to those who try whatever they try. I give my opinion and make no apologies for that.


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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #141 on: December 05, 2013, 11:49:16 AM »
Ok guys this tpu is fake in my opinion,the garage tpu,here is how it could possibly be done.
The point of this was not to show that some tpu's are fake but to eliminate them from
using them as reference points,this was not understood by my former tpu replicator members,they
got upset that I attacked there hero SM.
All parts SM could get at the local radio shack in 1996.What I do is compile information,to
show commonality and eliminate
the tpu's that are fake,the 4 inch tpu is fake also,I have built it and tested it,it also is made from
parts SM could get in 1996.
One thing in the garage when SM is plugging in lamps,all he had to do was remove the ac wires
from the house going to the ac Receptacle,put insulators on the ends of the wires.
Then put a wire across the ac Receptacle creating a short,then screw everything back together,
in the short video the home made
 lamp has a sealed lead acid battery,and an inverter ,SM could, in 1996, get both at radio shack.
The Receptacle i plug my lamp into has a wire across the connections,a short,there is no ac power there.
I believe you are dealing with a real device in the tpu,so because I can make fakes doesn't mean
that I think the tpu is fake only certain ones.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #141 on: December 05, 2013, 11:49:16 AM »
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #142 on: December 05, 2013, 01:05:47 PM »
Ok guys this tpu is fake in my opinion,the garage tpu,here is how it could possibly be done.
The point of this was not to show that some tpu's are fake but to eliminate them from
using them as reference points,this was not understood by my former tpu replicator members,they
got upset that I attacked there hero SM.
All parts SM could get at the local radio shack in 1996.What I do is compile information,to
show commonality and eliminate
the tpu's that are fake,the 4 inch tpu is fake also,I have built it and tested it,it also is made from
parts SM could get in 1996.
One thing in the garage when SM is plugging in lamps,all he had to do was remove the ac wires
from the house going to the ac Receptacle,put insulators on the ends of the wires.
Then put a wire across the ac Receptacle creating a short,then screw everything back together,
in the short video the home made
 lamp has a sealed lead acid battery,and an inverter ,SM could, in 1996, get both at radio shack.
The Receptacle i plug my lamp into has a wire across the connections,a short,there is no ac power there.
I believe you are dealing with a real device in the tpu,so because I can make fakes doesn't mean
that I think the tpu is fake only certain ones.

When you originally posted this method of faking, I gave you full marks  ;D

However, I disagree with you about the big TPU being genuine. There is simply not enough good quality video footage to even begin ruling out the possibility of faking.

I admire Bruce's dogged perseverance studying the TPU and if anyone is going to crack the code, then I hope it will be Bruce. Personally, I'm so convinced that its all a put-up job that I would not spend good money trying to replicate an SM style TPU that self-runs. Lets hope Bruce can make me eat humble pie.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #143 on: December 05, 2013, 01:51:52 PM »
I think Tariel and SM use the same playbook, "the long con" in slightly different forms.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick

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In Confessions of a Confidence Man, Edward H. Smith lists the "six definite steps or stages of growth in every finely balanced and well-conceived confidence game."

"One follows the other with absolute precision. In some games one or more of these acts, to use a theatrical comparison, may be dropped out, but where that happens the game is not a model one. The reference to the stage is apt, for the fine con game has its introduction, development, climax, dénouement and close, just like any good play. And this is not the only analogy to the drama, for the scenes are often as carefully set; the background is always a vital factor. In the colorful and mirthful language of the bunko man, all these parts of the game have their special names. I give them with their definitions:

Foundation Work
The preparations which are made before the scheme is put in motion, including the elaboration of the plan, the employment of assistants and so forth.

Approach
The manner of getting in touch with the victim—often most elaborately and carefully prepared.

Build-up
Rousing and sustaining the interest of the victim, introducing the scheme to him, rousing his greed, showing him the chance of profit and filling him so full of anticipation and cupidity that his judgment is warped and his caution thrown away.

Pay-off or Convincer
An actual or apparent paying of money by the conspirators to convince the victim and settle doubts by a cash demonstration. In the old banco game the initial small bets which the victim was allowed to win were the pay-off. In stock swindles the fake dividends sent to stockholders to encourage larger investments are the pay-off.

The Hurrah
This is like the dénouement in a play and no con scheme is complete without it. It is a sudden crisis or unexpected development by which the sucker is pushed over the last doubt or obstacle and forced to act. Once the hurrah is sprung the victim is clay in the schemer’s hands or there is no game.

The In-and-In
This is the point in a con game where the conspirator puts some of his money into the deal with that of the victim; first, to remove the last doubt that may tarry in the gull’s mind, and, second, to put the con man in control of the situation after the deal is completed, thus forestalling a squeal. Often the whole game is built up around this feature and just as often it does not figure at all.

In addition, some games require what is called 'corroboration', which means what it says. This is important in games where a banker or other shrewd customer is to be the victim."

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #144 on: December 05, 2013, 10:13:40 PM »
I think that Bruce stated that he has read all of the Steven Mark writings and they are pretty extensive.  I can't be sure but if we assume that Bruce got most or all of his theory for electronics and electromagnetics and the operation of the TPU from what Steven Mark wrote, then that has set up an incorrect framework or knowledge base for Bruce.  There are a lot of far out and invalid concepts that form the basis for the alleged operation of the Steven Mark TPU.

In looking at this clip by Bruce you can see some of the various concepts expressed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYfopAv945w

The basic idea proposed is that high-voltage standing waves in his long back and forth transmission line will liberate electrons and they will collect on a multi-strand aluminum wire anode that's at a high potential.

He says, "(the electrons landing on the cathode) will add current to our collectors, and the current itself will assist in producing more current and more voltage."

It would be nice if current could spontaneously produce more current and more voltage but that doesn't happen in the real world.  Also Bruce discussed the voltage nodes in the transmission line standing wave and stated that they will give off electrons. There is no logical reason for that to happen.  In the clip, the fundamental thing to note is that the external voltage source (on the right side of each diagram) is the power source for getting the electrons to move from the cathode to the anode.  So the tube in Bruce's diagram is a passive load for the external voltage source and it's the external voltage source that supplies the electrons that are liberated off of the heated cathode.  The battery or AC source that heats up the cathode is not the source of the electrons that flow through the tube, all that that power source does is heat the cathode filament.

Note also that as the electrons in the tube cross the gap from the cathode to the anode, they don't get accelerated to nearly the speed of light as Bruce states.  Rather, the get accelerated to a certain number of electron-volts as per the voltage of the external voltage source.  So if the external voltage source is 100 volts, then the electrons can get accelerated to 100 electron-volts of kinetic energy.  I assume that some electrons crossing the gap also hit the gas molecules in the tube.  So some electrons give up some of their electron-volts of energy like this and heat the gas.  Probably the most important thing to remember is that you can put the whole tube inside a black box and from the external power supply's point of view, the tube simply looks like a resistor, with it's associated current flow and voltage drop.  (Note there are no control grids in the tube schematic shown by Bruce, so it's a passive tube that just dissipates power.)

So the mechanism for the TPU is simply far fetched and the underlying concepts expressed by Bruce, presumably from the Steven Mark writings, are simply not valid.

Now I know that this is probably going to upset Bruce, but the standard request is always there:  If you think that you have something then please by all means go ahead and demo it and prove your case.  A good start would be a well made, well documented video where all of the steps and all of the measurements are clearly shown.  If you need a power input then fine and of course you must have a load.  The power input measurements and the power output measurements are of utmost importance and you should pay extra attention to that.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #145 on: December 05, 2013, 11:25:56 PM »
I will also make some comments on Bruce's second 2013 instructional video on the TPU:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOHk5YQoI44

Bruce states that the transmission line will be tuned to electrical standing waves and also to sound standing waves.  I can't think of any possible reason to tune the electrical transmission line to the sound standing waves.  Sound is mechanical energy and has nothing really to do with electrical energy in the context of Bruce's setup consisting of a long transmission line cable where the electrical signal goes back and forth inside the multi-strand cable.

Bruce talks a lot about the Shumann resonance with the fundamental of about 7.8 Hz and how both the electrical standing waves and the mechanical standing waves in his TPU transmission line are related harmonics of the Shumann resonance.  I am going to assume that this stuff comes directly from Steven Mark's writings.  There is a lot of misunderstanding about the Shumann resonance on the forums and people imagine relationships between their setup on the bench and the Shumann resonance.  This whole deal is a giant misnomer and I believe that various professional players in the free energy cottage industry intentionally misuse and exploit the concept of the Shumann resonance for their own personal gain.  Steven Mark is likely one of them.  The reality is that you never even have to think about the Shumann resonance ever.  It will never affect your circuit an for all practical intents and purposes it may as well not even exist.

Bruce says how Steven Mark discusses the Shumann resonance and how his TPUs tap into it.  That's the deal breaker for Steven Mark right there.  It's nonsense and therefore you are not going too far to conclude that the whole Steven Mark pitch is just a pitch with nothing to back it up.  Like I said above, you can forget about the Schumann resonance relative to whatever resonant circuit you are working on on your bench.  There is just nothing there, at all.  There is nothing to tap into.  You simply cannot capture any energy bouncing around inside the Schumann resonance, which is "pumped" by random lighting strikes.  It's simply nuts to think that you can do something practical with the energy in the lossy Shumann resonant cavity.  The energy is simply not there in any practical amount on your bench.  It would barely be detectable and the average Shuman resonant EM radiated power density per cubic meter of space is so ridiculously low that you may as well forget it.  I have to emphasize that the whole concept doesn't make any sense at all.

I don't think Bruce is a bad guy at all.  However his desire and passion to succeed may have compelled him to swallow the whole Steven Mark storyline and decide to not question anything.  In a way that's another form of "stealing."  This is not stealing money, but it's stealing someone's time and passion and mental energy because they direct it into a dead end and get nothing in return.  It arguably even hurts them because they construct a misguided belief system in their minds.  It's just as bad as stealing someone's money and that's wrong.

MileHigh

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #146 on: December 05, 2013, 11:31:30 PM »
MeggerMan:

You are misunderstanding what the Nasa clip means.  There nothing new about magnetics discussed in the Nasa clip and in fact the basis of the discussion in the clip is our current understanding of magnetic fields.  All that that clip is about is an interaction with the solar particle wind an the Earth's magnetic field.  In other words, it's a clip about learning more about the "space weather."

It might sound good on paper but it just doesn't work like that.  We can't extract power from the Aurora Borealis!

MileHigh


@MileHigh

Maybe it depends on the way you interpret the article.

The important basis of this discussion is how the Sun's magnetic field connects with the Earth's magnetic field to form a conduit down which the stream of tons of energetic particles hit the upper atmosphere of the Earth.
The polar auroras and magnetic storms are a result of this connection and is not the main point of the article as I see it.

My thought is that if we can generate a connection portal using an electromagnetic device then we might be able to harness the magnetic energy in that portal - not from the energetic particles.

@Cheappower2012,
Excellent work!

Yes, my thoughts exactly - the open frame device just creates a high voltage.  He could have got this 90v from a 1.5V pulse generator / flashgun circuit.
It did strike me as odd as to why he puts the probes from the voltage meter to some test points instead of the crock clips to the lamp.
If you doing a true test you would have 2 meters, one for current and one for voltage and show the current rise as it was connected to the load.
Those heavy lamps were just too obvious.
Then to add insult to injury, he uses a heavy taped toroidal TPU to power the lamp with a simple plastic base - and if you notice at the end of the test he turns the TPU upside down on the table so switching it off.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #147 on: December 06, 2013, 12:56:15 AM »
I don't have a scope or a bench, so I won't be making any tests.
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...You are just an ordinary guy like me playing with a scope, batteries, transistors and coils.
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Did he mean, "You are an ordinary guy, like me, but you play with a scope, batteries, transistors and coils?"  That would be more consistent.

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« Reply #148 on: December 06, 2013, 01:04:51 AM »
Rosphere:

What's your point?  Just go ahead and state it and I will be pleased to respond.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #149 on: December 06, 2013, 02:53:23 AM »
I wash my hands of this thread with no moderator.

All future kick references or questions can be asked on my thread concerning the kick.

Nothing further will be given on this thread by me.

I turn this thread over to disunity incorporated.com

Nor will I respond to an individual SO skilled in electronics he doesn't even have a scope?  Really?  Doesnt that strike you all as "odd"?   :o

And he has no "bench"?  A bench is a coffee table with electronics to some or a garage or kitchen table or ANYPLACE to do an experiment.

So...conclusion.   what DOES he have?
1.  Hot air
2.  More Hot Air
3.  Asked a member of this forum to perpetrate a hoax on the communit to "teach" them a lesson.
Why?  Because he is a fraud.  Phony.  Fake.  This is fact.

And still many of you give this man the time of day.

He and tk and those like him are the reason that HUNDREDS have left this forum.  Myself included. 

Nothing will EVER be made public on this forum. 

Don't you all understand yet??? ::)

These will not allow it.  It is the reason they are here.

Energy is  billions of dollar empire.  If I were in charge of protecting that, I would put people just like this to dissuade you all from anything real.

Post on my thread ONLY about a kick experiment or question or it will be deleted.

Grace and peace,

Bruce

 

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