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Author Topic: How to make multiple Kicks  (Read 93290 times)

Offline Farmhand

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #105 on: December 02, 2013, 08:45:24 PM »
Reiyuki, Do you mind explaining exactly what you say you are showing proof of concept of ? What I see is that the coil is connected to the scope, the scope ground is connected to
the ground, the function generator ground is connected to the ground also, the positive of the function generator is connected capacitively to the coil, so basically the coil is being driven by the function generator positive lead by a small capacitor and the ground common to both the function generator and the scope allow the return.

Seems to be an effect completely explained by conventional knowledge and logic. Anybody can do that.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #105 on: December 02, 2013, 08:45:24 PM »

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #106 on: December 02, 2013, 09:20:39 PM »
Seriously MileHigh, it would have taken less time to do the experiment than than it took to write the previous wall-o-text.  Prioritize.



Anyway, for all concerned attached is the simplest Proof-of-Concept setup I could muster.  The alligator clip is just resting on top of the coil and not connected to anything.  I bet you would even get results manually switching with a multimeter and battery (Positive terminal only).

 :)

LOL  A good one Rei!  And so true!  Talking heads, Otto called them "PC Heroes"...lol

I have my scope to where it can be "battery powered" for serious testing when using a resistor.  But you are correct.  It is there no matter what.  Just electrons with an associated magnetic field.

Ha!  Maybe the talking heads think that the magnetic field of a nuclear explosion is caused by "displacement current"?  Hahaha.

Nope, no dielectric needed.  Just electrons freed from the wire.  Just a proof of concept.  You have got a LONG way to go from here to a TPU.  But at least you all are in the right direction.

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #107 on: December 02, 2013, 09:35:53 PM »
Reiyuki, Do you mind explaining exactly what you say you are showing proof of concept of ? What I see is that the coil is connected to the scope, the scope ground is connected to
the ground, the function generator ground is connected to the ground also, the positive of the function generator is connected capacitively to the coil, so basically the coil is being driven by the function generator positive lead by a small capacitor and the ground common to both the function generator and the scope allow the return.

Seems to be an effect completely explained by conventional knowledge and logic. Anybody can do that.

Cheers

 - Yes, capacitive coupling is definitely affecting the circuit.  How much power leaks through I still haven't determined.
 - Grounding was my first thought too: that capacitive coupling was creating a circuit between function gen and scope ground.  The neat thing was that you get similar signals when you isolate the gen or scope.  The 12v battery method featured in B's video also worked (no return path to battery and still getting kicks, wtf right?).
 - LED in parallel with receiver coil dimly lights without a ground connection.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #107 on: December 02, 2013, 09:35:53 PM »
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #108 on: December 02, 2013, 10:08:25 PM »
Hi Bruce,  Rei
In my set up without the Neutral and one out put wire Negative from a wall adaptor   Sony ac to dc wall      the circuit switched off ... Im using an ignition coil cap coil in series /and water tap to light 40 w of led lamps 100 % brightness @ 0 amps
Also If I want to amplify the secondary,  do I need to increase the coil size and turns??? a series Bifilar ??? 
thanks

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #109 on: December 02, 2013, 11:47:19 PM »
So Reiyuki showed that a square wave can couple some energy into a coil and you will get a ring-down.  Myself, Farmhand, Reiyuki all made similar comments about what is taking place.  I suppose the most important point is that it's all normal and supposed to happen.  So there is nothing unusual or of any interest there if you assume that you are pursuing some form of free energy along the lines of Steven Mark.

Personally I view Steven Mark in the same league as Tariel Kapandze.  They both have produced mysterious inconclusive video clips.  Steven Mark could have been powering a light bulb with an alkaline AA battery hooked up to a Joule Thief circuit, there was more than enough room for that from what you see in his second or third-generation videotape videos.  You think I generate a lot of text?  TK and SM are responsible for endless reams and reams of text on this forum and elsewhere.

For Bruce, what do you mean by "electrons freed from the wire."  As far as the "PC Heroes" comment goes, you sure have an attitude for someone that's a beginner in electronics.  Like many people that play in this realm, there is a very good chance that you don't understand a lot of things, and you are making leaps of logic and forming relationships in your mind about your circuit that in all likelihood aren't correct.  The better approach is to be conservative and understand your limitations.

To me right now it looks like the wire is simply affecting Bruce's mysterious black box magnetic field detector that he demonstrates in his clips.  Effectively it's a noise glitch (when the wire jumps up or down in potential very suddenly) that propagates though the detector.  You can see how the voltage output from the black box current detector can be in two separate and distinct forms.  In the first form of the output, the black box sensor will show a magnet pass (like Bruce demonstrates in his clips).  In the second form of the output, noise glitches from the nearby wire (when it takes a sudden jump in potential) propagate through the circuitry and create a spike (glitch) on the scope display.  The glitch has nothing to do with the current in the wire.

Noise glitches can propagate through all types of circuitry.  Where Bruce is making a mistake is that he sees the noise glitch on the output from the black box and thinks that it represents a current pulse in the wire.  In fact it's not a current pulse, it's just noise that is disturbing the circuitry inside the black box and creating the pulse output.  This happens all the time in real life.  You can't always assume that the output from some kind of sensor or detector is 100% correct.  Every sensor only has a certain amount of immunity to external electronic noise.  It takes knowledge and experience to make a distinction between the two.

So it looks like this whole thing is just a tempest in a teapot and it's not the first time, nor will it be the last time that this happens on the forum.  In fact it happens all the time.  It's part of the learning curve with respect to the very complex subject of electronics.

MileHigh

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #109 on: December 02, 2013, 11:47:19 PM »
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Offline Bruce_TPU

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #110 on: December 03, 2013, 05:30:59 AM »
So Reiyuki showed that a square wave can couple some energy into a coil and you will get a ring-down.  Myself, Farmhand, Reiyuki all made similar comments about what is taking place.  I suppose the most important point is that it's all normal and supposed to happen.  So there is nothing unusual or of any interest there if you assume that you are pursuing some form of free energy along the lines of Steven Mark.

Personally I view Steven Mark in the same league as Tariel Kapandze.  They both have produced mysterious inconclusive video clips.  Steven Mark could have been powering a light bulb with an alkaline AA battery hooked up to a Joule Thief circuit, there was more than enough room for that from what you see in his second or third-generation videotape videos.  You think I generate a lot of text?  TK and SM are responsible for endless reams and reams of text on this forum and elsewhere.

For Bruce, what do you mean by "electrons freed from the wire."  As far as the "PC Heroes" comment goes, you sure have an attitude for someone that's a beginner in electronics.  Like many people that play in this realm, there is a very good chance that you don't understand a lot of things, and you are making leaps of logic and forming relationships in your mind about your circuit that in all likelihood aren't correct.  The better approach is to be conservative and understand your limitations.

To me right now it looks like the wire is simply affecting Bruce's mysterious black box magnetic field detector that he demonstrates in his clips.  Effectively it's a noise glitch (when the wire jumps up or down in potential very suddenly) that propagates though the detector.  You can see how the voltage output from the black box current detector can be in two separate and distinct forms.  In the first form of the output, the black box sensor will show a magnet pass (like Bruce demonstrates in his clips).  In the second form of the output, noise glitches from the nearby wire (when it takes a sudden jump in potential) propagate through the circuitry and create a spike (glitch) on the scope display.  The glitch has nothing to do with the current in the wire.

Noise glitches can propagate through all types of circuitry.  Where Bruce is making a mistake is that he sees the noise glitch on the output from the black box and thinks that it represents a current pulse in the wire.  In fact it's not a current pulse, it's just noise that is disturbing the circuitry inside the black box and creating the pulse output.  This happens all the time in real life.  You can't always assume that the output from some kind of sensor or detector is 100% correct.  Every sensor only has a certain amount of immunity to external electronic noise.  It takes knowledge and experience to make a distinction between the two.

So it looks like this whole thing is just a tempest in a teapot and it's not the first time, nor will it be the last time that this happens on the forum.  In fact it happens all the time.  It's part of the learning curve with respect to the very complex subject of electronics.

MileHigh

I think you write things on purpose to get under my skin.  And I also think you are a paid operative like your buddy TK to haunt these forums.

What part of, "I moved on to a resistor" does not compute?

Is my English bad?  Are you deaf and dumb?  So the NOISE of the circuitry is it?  That has got to be the lamest, stupidest thing I have heard to date.   :o

What part of the circuitry of my resistor is affected pray tell?

And my magnetic pickup ONLY picks up magnetic fields.  And a pickup coil has its circuitry broken too?

You are really showing your idiotic refusal to accept anything new or to even ever experiment.

Your job is to hinder any people from finding out the truth. 

At this point...  laughable. You are like a drowning man gasping at a straw.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #111 on: December 03, 2013, 05:32:49 AM »
Hi Bruce,  Rei
In my set up without the Neutral and one out put wire Negative from a wall adaptor   Sony ac to dc wall      the circuit switched off ... Im using an ignition coil cap coil in series /and water tap to light 40 w of led lamps 100 % brightness @ 0 amps
Also If I want to amplify the secondary,  do I need to increase the coil size and turns??? a series Bifilar ??? 
thanks

Please post a circuit and a picture and I will assist you.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #112 on: December 03, 2013, 06:32:37 AM »
Bruce:

I'm sorry I am just giving you my viewpoint and you should consider it.  I have a quite a bit of electronics experience.  I'm not one of those guys and that's ridiculous.  You are also going overboard.  I am commenting on your clips where you have the project box current sensor, not your resistor.  You have to realize that so why the crazy talk?  I haven't seen any setup with a resistor.  I hope you will show it later then I can comment.

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And my magnetic pickup ONLY picks up magnetic fields.

You don't know that for sure.  I have seen various circuits pick up extraneous noise all my life.  Sharp, high-slew-rate voltage transitions and current transitions can cause this.  If you can show us what both pickups are, the project box and the resistor setup, that would be great.

What you are observing I and many others have seen in other situations that are similar.  If you can observe a tick on a scope input you have to remember that the input resistance of the scope is about one megaohm.  So that high resistance input allows the scope to display very feeble voltage pulses with almost no energy in them.  So it's not surprising to see an event on the scope when the wire abruptly changes in potential.  That produces a sharp transition in the ambient electrical field around the wire and that sharp transition can result in you seeing a tiny "tick" pulse on your scope.

I think in your clips you see positive and negative ticks.  That could be a clue because the wire can change potential in two directions, and each direction could generate it's respective tick.  If you were interested you could do some investigations along these lines.

Also, I am just telling you what might be happening in your circuit from what I see.  I am not sure that what I am saying is true, but there is a very decent possibility that it is happening or something very similar is happening.  In many digital logic families they intentionally limit the slew rate of the voltage transitions on the outputs to reduce these effects.

MileHigh

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #113 on: December 03, 2013, 08:09:19 AM »
MileHigh


That talk is useless. Please propose better method of measurement , some which would show without doubts Bruce has something unusual here or it's "just a noise". Now I know why there is only small exceprt on interation of vacuum bulb filaments with external magnetic field. There is more silly debates then it's worth so nobody can jump further...

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #114 on: December 03, 2013, 11:07:33 AM »
Mark Dansie referred to SM as a conman that cheated Australian investors out of millions,
of course the investors were greedy,that was there down fall.
Here is SM in all hes glory showing 2 TPU's to some investors(suckers),the  guy talking to the investors after the demo is full of bull shit
and is another conman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_fRKxz_UNo&feature=channel&list=UL

The inverter was a modified triplight inverter 12vdc to 110vac,keep in mind the year 1997,SM paid someone to do the modifing
,they changed the transformer  so it can accept 180 vdc ,it converts this to 110 vac.In my opinion SM is a liar, a conman and a crook,however the tpu is real.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #115 on: December 03, 2013, 06:47:03 PM »
Mark Dansie referred to SM as a conman that cheated Australian investors out of millions,
of course the investors were greedy,that was there down fall.
Here is SM in all hes glory showing 2 TPU's to some investors(suckers),the  guy talking to the investors after the demo is full of bull shit
and is another conman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_fRKxz_UNo&feature=channel&list=UL

The inverter was a modified triplight inverter 12vdc to 110vac,keep in mind the year 1997,SM paid someone to do the modifing
,they changed the transformer  so it can accept 180 vdc ,it converts this to 110 vac.In my opinion SM is a liar, a conman and a crook,however the tpu is real.

Be careful with what judgment you judge another, for with that same measure shall be meted out to you...   ;)

The TPU IS real.  And Steven's clues have proven out to me and a few others..very real.   :)

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #115 on: December 03, 2013, 06:47:03 PM »
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #116 on: December 03, 2013, 07:00:40 PM »
MileHigh


That talk is useless. Please propose better method of measurement , some which would show without doubts Bruce has something unusual here or it's "just a noise". Now I know why there is only small exceprt on interation of vacuum bulb filaments with external magnetic field. There is more silly debates then it's worth so nobody can jump further...

Hi Forest,

Use a resistor...you'd be surprised.   ;)

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #117 on: December 03, 2013, 10:10:00 PM »
Noise coupling in circuits:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uMjC8J3CLM

Capacitive coupling in circuits:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhdJKa6WOW8

Inductive coupling in circuits 1 of 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNBZZBfOBRA

Inductive coupling in circuits 2 of 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Lw0BAHTIc

You learn a new thing every day.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #118 on: December 03, 2013, 10:23:21 PM »
Wow Mile high, you can copy and paste YouTube video's....

This is NONE of your copy and pasted....

Accept it...  or not.

It is NOT a new phenomenon either.  Nothing "new" under the sun.

Hey I know...  You are "so good at electronics"...set up a on/off switch, a voltage source and hey, you don't trust magnetic pickups or coils, because they "must" be lying to you, then use a resistor.

And see for yourself.

I...WE on this forum already know that you won't...   

One can ONLY wonder...Why NOT? 


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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #119 on: December 03, 2013, 10:36:11 PM »
Hi Bruce,
Think that SM could have faked nearly all the experiments using stripped down Cyclon batteries.
That is not to say I think he did - just that, I think, the battery tech was available then and it would have been fairly easy to pull off.
I am sure Cyclon batteries were around at the time as they were used by control line model planes that looped around a pole in the ground.


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D cell 63mm x 34mm Dia. 2.5Ah
Output: 65A @1.5V =  ~97 watts (very high discharge current)


He could have used say 2 or 3 cells for a 100 watt supply.


[size=78%]If you look at the size of every toroidal shaped device it is nearly always 60mm in height.[/size]
So my thought is that he pulled each cell apart and partly un-rolled the spiral that makes up the cell and made them into a ring shape.
The using a long strip of transformer silicon steel (60mm width), 0.3mm thick, wound a thin toroidal transformer.
Using  the SG5124 or TL494 and a couple of mosfets, a reed switch and there you have it.
All this would have fitted in even the smallest device.
For the gyroscopic effect use a small motor and flywheel


The only demo I cannot explain is where he shows the device working at then cuts it into pieces with a jigsaw.
The open frame devices are shown to power lamps, that have heavy ceramic bases (probably containing a toroidal TPU).
You will notice he switches to a heavy toroidal device when powering the bulb in a simple small plastic base.


Has anyone tried to contact Mercury Marilla to see if he has further info?
He did say he still has the original tapes.


Meggerman




 

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