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Title: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: teratologist on November 20, 2013, 10:21:16 PM
Here is a description of an energy device presumably capable of powering a spacecraft. (It is an excerpt from a session with Bashar who was channeled by Darryl Anka.) Any thoughts about it? You can skip the first section.

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Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: TinselKoala on November 21, 2013, 03:07:16 AM
My thoughts?

You can skip the second section too.

"In my terms" it's "what I would call" all a load of BS, more claims without evidence, and coming from a "channeler" yet.

And people wonder why our research area gets little respect from "mainstream science". Stuff like this is why.

Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: e2matrix on November 21, 2013, 05:29:14 AM
Ahh there you go again putting down something you've never even tried.   Sounds simple enough.   Just need an 8 inch diameter rod of gold and a few other basic items.   That shouldn't be any problem .....   as long as you've got about a spare half million dollars for the gold rod.    ;D
Well maybe copper ....   Ummmm  NO ... copper has gotten stupid expensive too.   Oh well


Bashar is funny as heck to watch but I really think he's just a smart and hyper entertainer.   



Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: d3x0r on November 21, 2013, 05:33:34 AM
My thoughts?

You can skip the second section too.

"In my terms" it's "what I would call" all a load of BS, more claims without evidence, and coming from a "channeler" yet.

And people wonder why our research area gets little respect from "mainstream science". Stuff like this is why.
Okay, but that brings rise to the question; when do mythologies become evidence of ancients?  Paul Bunyan?  I dunno maybe that's modern folklore... and amusing stories to pass the time.


Channelling isn't a very objectifiable topic; some guy says he reads gold tablets that only he can see and you're supposed to beleive him?


Conical coils have been experimented with... they do make good multi-frequency ; that is they have a very wide ferquency range because every range is represented in an place that it is 1 complete loop....


But in the interview, it says 'make it, spark it, see what happens' Well what that means is you have to poke at it and see; let us know if you find good results?  I wound one.  I used a funnel and wound two conical coils, then just twisted them together... if you use a sturdy wire like 12 or 14 gauge it will hold its form without a lot of effort, rather than tring to use thin wire and building a complex structure to hold it....
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: TinselKoala on November 21, 2013, 07:35:53 AM
Ahh there you go again putting down something you've never even tried.   Sounds simple enough.   Just need an 8 inch diameter rod of gold and a few other basic items.   That shouldn't be any problem .....   as long as you've got about a spare half million dollars for the gold rod.    ;D
Well maybe copper ....   Ummmm  NO ... copper has gotten stupid expensive too.   Oh well


Bashar is funny as heck to watch but I really think he's just a smart and hyper entertainer.

Nobody is stopping you from trying it, if you can figure it out. In fact, I encourage you to try it for yourself. Please. Be sure to follow the directions exactly, because if you don't, and it doesn't work... well, you didn't follow the exact directions, so no wonder.

I haven't tried jumping off a ten story building, flapping my arms really hard, and singing "I think I can, I think I can" either, even though I heard my toilet talking yesterday, telling me to do it. Why don't you try it for me, it's not nearly as expensive as Bashar's thing, and it is just as likely to work. More likely, since nothing Bashar has said actually works, but my toilet works fine.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: e2matrix on November 21, 2013, 08:27:09 PM
My post was purely sarcasm.   Just poking some fun as I wouldn't expect any sane person to try Bashar's idea based on his channeling.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: TinselKoala on November 21, 2013, 08:33:22 PM
My post was purely sarcasm.   Just poking some fun as I wouldn't expect any sane person to try Bashar's idea based on his channeling.

I  know, mine too, just an underline to your post.
 ;)

But which of us is sane, anyway?
 :o
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on December 16, 2013, 01:24:04 PM
Ahh there you go again putting down something you've never even tried.   Sounds simple enough.   Just need an 8 inch diameter rod of gold and a few other basic items.   That shouldn't be any problem .....   as long as you've got about a spare half million dollars for the gold rod.    ;D
Well maybe copper ....   Ummmm  NO ... copper has gotten stupid expensive too.   Oh well


Bashar is funny as heck to watch but I really think he's just a smart and hyper entertainer.

The transcription has a small error. I listened years back to the audio. I recall the diameter of the rod being an eigth inch, not 8 inches. How do you expect to get an eight inch rod thru a one inch ball? Also, I believe gold plated would probably do the trick, seeing as Bashar states copper will work to a lesser degree.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on December 19, 2013, 07:00:15 PM


Do you remember the length of the rod and the height of the insulating discs?


Also was the wire coated or just bare?
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: teratologist on December 19, 2013, 08:01:14 PM
The transcription has a small error. I listened years back to the audio. I recall the diameter of the rod being an eigth inch, not 8 inches. How do you expect to get an eight inch rod thru a one inch ball? Also, I believe gold plated would probably do the trick, seeing as Bashar states copper will work to a lesser degree.

An important correction - thanks! now we only need to guesstimate the length of the rod or thickness of the insulating disks... any constructive ideas?

Re: above comments on channeling - Tesla was a channeler and received downloads of schematics and yet some of his devices actually work ;) a good enough reason to try Bashar's technologies. Another interesting one he mentioned in one of his sessions was an insulating material made of a microwave emitting net covering his spacecraft that allows for travel through material objects...
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on December 20, 2013, 08:58:03 AM

Do you remember the length of the rod and the height of the insulating discs?


Also was the wire coated or just bare?

Most of the answers are in the text, it just requires several re-readings to lock it in.

But, to answer your questions, all the wires are bare, the central rod is 6 inches long because the whole assembly is spherical. So a 6 inch diameter flat quartz insulating disk dictates a 6 inch central rod. The points of this rod must be sharp, I assume because this is apparently a high voltage device.

The only detail not wholly clear is whether the gold hemispheres rims should touch the bare spiral wire-mesh wire-tips on the outer rim. I'm assuming not, as it is not stated, but if you ever get this far, then experimenting with the set up will let you find this out for yourself.

This is quite make-able, but drilling the quartz ball with holes (needs diamond drills), and weaving the mesh look the most difficult. You can get gold-plated copper wire online, it's used by jeweler a bit. Not sure if they have it fine enough though.

I'm currently modelling this device in 3d, so will have some pictures for you in the near future.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on December 20, 2013, 09:30:59 AM
'Tis the near future - here are the images I promised...

There is a rim on the gold hemispheres. You can make all metal parts from copper. As stated in Bashar's transcript, it should work, but works heaps better with gold. So experiment on the cheap side first, and if the results encourage you, spend more on gold plated material. If it actually works, obviously going to gold will be worth it.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on December 20, 2013, 10:02:03 AM
My thoughts?

You can skip the second section too.

"In my terms" it's "what I would call" all a load of BS, more claims without evidence, and coming from a "channeler" yet.

And people wonder why our research area gets little respect from "mainstream science". Stuff like this is why.

I half agree with you... there is certainly no known reason by our current technology that this should work, therefore to build such a device is an act of faith - a bit of a gamble.
Seeing as it is so relatively easy to build, (the financial risk is small), then this has to be built by amateurs, as they have no reputation to lose.

A negative result is still an important result - it will back up your position.

A positive result would be pretty amazing!
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on December 20, 2013, 02:33:11 PM
Thanks Uniqorn for this.
 
I imagined the gold discs being flat as in the description it says “flat disc of gold”, but I wouldn’t call whats in your picture a flat disc, more of a bowl shape, if it is a bowl and not a disc then it will be very hard to make.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: teratologist on December 20, 2013, 05:18:00 PM
Thanks Uniqorn for this.
 
I imagined the gold discs being flat as in the description it says “flat disc of gold”, but I wouldn’t call whats in your picture a flat disc, more of a bowl shape, if it is a bowl and not a disc then it will be very hard to make.

These lines in the description are somewhat confusing: "And then on top of that a shell, a flat disk of gold; and on the bottom a flat disk of gold which you call a hemisphere. Hollow on the top hemisphere, hollow on the bottom disk". However - "shell" and "hemispheres" certainly point in the direction of a globe-type device. This made me think that hemispheres are actually sealed/closed with flat disks made of the same material, e.g. copper.

I wonder if hemispheres are literally hemispheres, i.e. without factoring in what is sandwiched between them?
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: teratologist on December 20, 2013, 05:20:06 PM
'Tis the near future - here are the images I promised...

There is a rim on the gold hemispheres. You can make all metal parts from copper. As stated in Bashar's transcript, it should work, but works heaps better with gold. So experiment on the cheap side first, and if the results encourage you, spend more on gold plated material. If it actually works, obviously going to gold will be worth it.

Amazing - thanks for the renderings, Uniqorn!
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: teratologist on December 20, 2013, 06:06:34 PM
singing bowls appear to be the best candidates for hemispheres.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on December 20, 2013, 06:13:12 PM
But for a 30cm copper bowl there quite expensive.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: teratologist on December 20, 2013, 06:21:11 PM
But for a 30cm copper bowl there quite expensive.

$40+ (up to $300) + $40 shipping on ebay. If you get 2 for $40/each + shipping, it is not too bad.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on December 20, 2013, 06:46:55 PM
I think you might be right with the hemisphere having a flat disc to seal it that would make sense that he mentioned the disc.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: teratologist on December 20, 2013, 07:04:08 PM
singing bowls appear to be the best candidates for hemispheres.

there are also  a few mixing bowls on the market - some of them are lightweight and they are standardized, .e.g. this one is 11" and large quantity available on ebay at $80/piece.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on December 20, 2013, 07:23:48 PM
I wonder if stainless steel bowls would be as effective as copper as there very cheap.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: d3x0r on December 20, 2013, 07:25:32 PM
I wonder if stainless steel bowls would be as effective as copper as there very cheap.
gold and copper are both non ferromagnetic... nickel and iron may not work equivalently.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on December 20, 2013, 08:09:18 PM
What I’m going to do is make the rest of it once everything arrives, I also get 2 copper discs, I’m thinking even without the proper spheres I should get some very minute effects, if I do get any effects then I get the bowls.
 
I must admit it if I known about the spheres I wouldn’t have started this but I have already ordered a lot of it so might as well make the rest of it and see what happens. Can’t wait to drill that 50mm amethyst quartz crystal ball when it comes.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on December 20, 2013, 09:48:34 PM
Just found some very cheap bowls which I’ve just ordered, only bad thing about them is there only 5” deep instead of 6”, so the performance will suffer a bit if it does work of course. Works out £67 cheaper than the better ones so worth it. If this thing don’t work I just sell them on ebay.
 
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Old-Dutch-Solid-Copper-Beating-Bowl-/301041952119?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item46177fa577 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Old-Dutch-Solid-Copper-Beating-Bowl-/301041952119?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item46177fa577)




Regarding gold plating, it’s only 0.38 microns thick, that is so thin it probably won’t have any effect.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: teratologist on December 20, 2013, 10:08:20 PM
Just found some very cheap bowls which I’ve just ordered, only bad thing about them is there only 5” deep instead of 6”, so the performance will suffer a bit if it does work of course. Works out £67 cheaper than the better ones so worth it. If this thing don’t work I just sell them on ebay.
 
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Old-Dutch-Solid-Copper-Beating-Bowl-/301041952119?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item46177fa577 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Old-Dutch-Solid-Copper-Beating-Bowl-/301041952119?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item46177fa577)


Regarding gold plating, it’s only 0.38 microns thick, that is so thin it probably won’t have any effect.

wonderful! good luck with the project - it might be an advantage that they are 5'' deep since you can still set them 2'' apart an get a perfect sphere. and play with the distance to see if there is a drop/increase in performance.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on December 20, 2013, 10:39:42 PM
It won’t be a perfect sphere as the bottom will be flat, but it will be good enough, I will need lots of different length rods to change the distance with the bowls as the rod has to touch them, but will see what happens.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: gauschor on December 21, 2013, 12:11:46 AM
I've thought about this thing a while and want to share, as I've seen similar things on some old "UFO" sketches.

Basically both hemispheres form some kind of capacitor. They build up a positive and a negative potential, like an electrostatic potential. The sharp tip of the rod pushes the charge away from the rod tip onto the hemisphere because of the so-called "Spitzenwirkung" (sorry I don't know the english word), which means the charge goes from the rod to the hemisphere. It reminds me somehow of a Van-de-Graaff generator. In a Van-De-Graaf the charge also wanders on the outside of the hemisphere, so you can build up more and more.

Now if this is the core principle of a space engine it would mean there must be a thrust of this object in a direction. And interestingly enough we recently had talk about this here: http://www.overunity.com/14119/1lb-lift-force-anti-gravity-from-ordinary-charged-capacitor/#.UrTKa1ITlUA

If the potential difference on both hemisphere is very high, there is the tendency that e.g. the lower part (negatively charged) wants to get to the upper part (positively charged) and therefore a thrust is created. Once the thrust is high enough it can lift itself.

So far the theory. By this logic the gold strand matrix must be somehow "collectors" of energy, whatever. I don't know. But I think you can't expect a lot of efficiency if you just build this device. At most that it builds up a small potential over some time which can later be discharged in a small lightning. Maybe the gold strand matrix helps to collect energy from the surrounding air.

This certainly gets dangerous once a specific voltage difference is reached, however I doubt this voltage can be reached by just putting the object on idle and wait. It is interesting if a high potential difference (I am talking of 5 million volts) in such a hemisphere arrangement can indeed lift itself and what's the minimum required to give a visible thrust.



Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on December 21, 2013, 07:58:55 AM
These spaceships don’t use thrust, they use vibration resonance to teleport, as location is the properties of an object.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: gauschor on December 21, 2013, 09:52:21 AM
Throwing in keywords like "teleporting" make me question if you know what you are talking about. Please share where you got your knowledge and tell us the relation between teleporting, antigravity and vibration, otherwise I suggest to stay a bit more down-to-earth.

Despite my request I can name an example with vibration/resonance, which was the so called "David Hamel Spaceship", which was based on vibration, but not even that could "teleport". And neither teleported the (real) UFO sightings in our world, they made zig-zag movements in sharp angles, were extremely fast, but they never teleported.

Also I believe that Hutchinson made experiments with sound waves onto objects and at some point he was able to lift some spheres off the ground. However the issue was, that the vibrations made the integrity of objects unstable and the molekules from different material merged into others. Something like that is said to be happened on the Philadelphia experiment. Where wood was merged with metal or human bodies.
It remind somehow of the trumpets of Jericho, where possible sound waves disrupted the integrity of the walls, collapsing them.

To be honest, I don't like this resonance/vibration thing very much, though I'm open for suggestions, if there's a reasonable concept behind and not only "good sounding keywords". But until now the capacitor theory is the most viable...
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on December 21, 2013, 10:38:52 AM
As you know everything has its own vibrational resonance frequency, but what you might not know is an object doesn’t exist in a location, location is part of the objects properties, so if you have an object in your hands and then move it someplace else, then mechanically speaking that’s a different object as the equational variables have changed since the vibrational resonance will be different from where the object was before.
 
So a simple experiment, if you take a 4” hollow copper ball and place it on a flat surface and resonate it, then measure the frequency, now place it about 10 feet away on the same flat surface and resonate it and measure it’s frequency again, if your equipment is sensitive enough to measure the difference in frequency, you can now put the ball back to the first position and resonate it with the frequency from position 2. You will need to overwhelm it as to change its resonance frequency to that of the ball from position 2, so to change its properties. Since the location is the properties
of the object if you change the equational variable by overpowering its vibrational resonance then that object must cease to exist and reappear in its new location.
 
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: gauschor on December 21, 2013, 05:25:15 PM
This is an interesting hypothesis which could explain teleportation. But don't you think this is a bit too much sophisticated for the object on topic? If it were that simple, then teleportation would have been invented already. Also there would be no point in all these quartz spheres, gold wires, gimmicks etc - just teleport a simple object first. I doubt the channeled device is meant for teleportation.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on December 21, 2013, 06:44:12 PM
I doubt we have the technology to teleport as even if we had equipment sensitive enough to measure the difference in vibrational resonance frequency, I doubt we would be able to amplify that signal to the single resonance needed to change the object properties, because if you think about it, if the signal contained other frequencies due to noise then it wouldn’t work. Maybe one day crystal will replace semiconductors, which might be able to amplify such a signal with the required tolerance.
 
If I was to guess, this flash matrix (I mean the proper one) is used to create the electromagnetic bubble around the ship which allows it to be separated from the reality it’s in allowing it to pop out of that reality to another place, there would be another device to change the resonance frequency of the magnetic field to teleport the ship, electromagnet maybe, all the pilot would have to do is dial the resonance frequency to go to that place.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on December 21, 2013, 11:51:31 PM
Thanks Uniqorn for this.
 
I imagined the gold discs being flat as in the description it says “flat disc of gold”, but I wouldn’t call whats in your picture a flat disc, more of a bowl shape, if it is a bowl and not a disc then it will be very hard to make.

"And then on top of that a shell, a flat disk of gold; and on the bottom a flat disk of gold which you call a hemisphere. Hollow on the top hemisphere, hollow on the bottom disk"

The language is confusing. Either a poor transcript, or some kind of mismatch with the channeler's available technical terminology.
Either way, the flat disk morphs to a hemisphere in the above quote. Further, an additional disk would have no inner terminal, plus defeat the purpose of the quartz disc insulators. It would be technically redundant. Like I said, you've got to read it over many times to lock in the key technical data.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on December 22, 2013, 12:05:14 AM
...overpowering its vibrational resonance then that object must cease to exist and reappear in its new location.

Whoever is supplying these transcripts has got to be more careful!

Bashar's original description stated that this experiment must take place in an electromagnetically isolated room. The sheet must be conductive, very flat, and level. Once the experiment is set up, the result should be the ball rolling across from position A to position B. NOT teleporting.

I assume it is a very weak effect, otherwise he would not have emphasized the flatness & leveling requirements. This also implies that the ball must be as spherical as is possible to make. A sheet of virgin PCB copper coated board would do the trick.

The lesson here for everyone is to do your research, which is exactly what Bashar encourages. You've got the internet at your finger tips, so no excuses. Otherwise, you get an expensive waste of experimenters time giving incorrect results, which would just add disinformation to the subject.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on December 22, 2013, 10:51:58 AM
"And then on top of that a shell, a flat disk of gold; and on the bottom a flat disk of gold which you call a hemisphere. Hollow on the top hemisphere, hollow on the bottom disk"

The language is confusing. Either a poor transcript, or some kind of mismatch with the channeler's available technical terminology.
Either way, the flat disk morphs to a hemisphere in the above quote. Further, an additional disk would have no inner terminal, plus defeat the purpose of the quartz disc insulators. It would be technically redundant. Like I said, you've got to read it over many times to lock in the key technical data.




You would still need the insulating discs if you had a copper disc, as copper is conductive, so putting a conductive disc on top of the wire net would short it out as it’s bare wire, also I would imagine the isolating discs would also act as a spacer so the hemisphere are not too close together, as my thinking is if the hemispheres have an electric charge, wouldn’t you get sparks between them which you want to avoid.
I just thought as the discs would be in contact with the edge of the bowl it would become one piece, but I can’t be certain either way, I must admit I don’t want to get something I don’t need though.
 
So in your logic you think this copper disc would have no effect and shouldn’t be there by Bashar’s description?
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on December 22, 2013, 11:05:00 AM
Whoever is supplying these transcripts has got to be more careful!

Bashar's original description stated that this experiment must take place in an electromagnetically isolated room. The sheet must be conductive, very flat, and level. Once the experiment is set up, the result should be the ball rolling across from position A to position B. NOT teleporting.

I assume it is a very weak effect, otherwise he would not have emphasized the flatness & leveling requirements. This also implies that the ball must be as spherical as is possible to make. A sheet of virgin PCB copper coated board would do the trick.

The lesson here for everyone is to do your research, which is exactly what Bashar encourages. You've got the internet at your finger tips, so no excuses. Otherwise, you get an expensive waste of experimenters time giving incorrect results, which would just add disinformation to the subject.






This is the link to Bashar’s teleporting experiment video, he never mentioned an electrically isolated room or said about the flat surface being conductive.
 
In the transcript you read did he go into more detail about this experiment?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPXtHUe3GCg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPXtHUe3GCg)
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on December 22, 2013, 01:35:15 PM

So in your logic you think this copper disc would have no effect and shouldn’t be there by Bashar’s description?

Although the language is a confusing mixup of disks, shells and hemispheres, the hemisphere win by my interpretation. Also, it makes more sense not having it. There is no mention of how it would connect in the center, plus, it is the spiral wire mesh that is doing the conducting. The crystal insulating disks are to prevent any electrical shorting until the current has reached the edge. Putting in a conductive disk would defeat this intention. The intended flow is through the central axis conductor, around the hemisphere shells, then back through the spiral mesh. Or the other way - I don't know for sure which direction.

In other words, to include copper disks would prevent the device from working.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on December 22, 2013, 01:51:24 PM

This is the link to Bashar’s teleporting experiment video, he never mentioned an electrically isolated room or said about the flat surface being conductive.
 
In the transcript you read did he go into more detail about this experiment?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPXtHUe3GCg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPXtHUe3GCg)

Wow, thanks for this link WTF. Yes, I've heard more detailed audio, back in 1992 - I even took notes, and I've just checked what I wrote down, and indeed it says conducting sheet with EM isolated room. No mention of the possibility of teleportation, although the experiment is really exploring the same principle.

The difference makes me a little uneasy, as they seem to be important to the experiment.

I recall that the excitation and measuring could be done sonically and/or electromagnetically. I wondered at the time if a copper plated glass-bubble could be used. It would make the experiment easier if the copper ball was as perfectly symmetrical as possible so there would be less vibrational modes to measure.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on December 22, 2013, 02:33:13 PM
If you can take measurements with an electromagnet that makes things a lot cheaper, as I was thinking you probably would need a laser Doppler, even then I wasn’t sure if that could measure the frequency difference.


I would have thought copper plating would be too thin to work as plating is only about 0.38 microns thick, and would have thought the whole ball would need to be the same material for the experiment.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on December 23, 2013, 12:17:10 PM
If you can take measurements with an electromagnet that makes things a lot cheaper, as I was thinking you probably would need a laser Doppler, even then I wasn’t sure if that could measure the frequency difference.

I would have thought copper plating would be too thin to work as plating is only about 0.38 microns thick, and would have thought the whole ball would need to be the same material for the experiment.

Actually,  you can copper plate a lot thicker than that, but why I suggested this idea is because he stated very thin copper was required and I thought maybe precise glass balls might be more available than thin copper balls, which would be quite fragile. As to wether a mix of glass and copper would work, I cant be sure.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 07, 2014, 03:53:36 PM
Well I made it and its not working, the wire net is a proper Fibonacci spiral, and the quartz looks real to me and is colder than glass. So I conclude Bashar is fake.
 
I tried to upload the pictures but this site won’t seem to take them.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: hartiberlin on January 14, 2014, 02:56:43 AM
@WTF

please only post small sized pictures with not more than about 800x600 pixels
please !
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on January 14, 2014, 11:31:34 AM
Wow WTF, I'm officially impressed with your efforts. You don't just talk about, you Get It Done!

However, you haven't finished yet - you've got to check, double check, mess about and experiment before you pack it in an consider it done.

Have you checked the circuit for continuity where it should be and shorts where they shouldn't? Are the wires in the spiral mesh dense enough, and truly Fibonacci? Can you post more pictures showing more detail, and give a report on any tweeking you may have tried?

Once you have done all of the above, then you will have made a more valuable contribution by giving a more definitive answer.

Well I made it and its not working, the wire net is a proper Fibonacci spiral, and the quartz looks real to me and is colder than glass. So I conclude Bashar is fake.
 
I tried to upload the pictures but this site won’t seem to take them.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: d3x0r on January 14, 2014, 12:26:05 PM
Well I made it and its not working, the wire net is a proper Fibonacci spiral, and the quartz looks real to me and is colder than glass. So I conclude Bashar is fake.
 
I tried to upload the pictures but this site won’t seem to take them.
if they are more than a couple hundred K you can usually edit your message and attach them one at a time... but it doesn't always reload to the message... if it times out, go back and reload and the image will be attached...
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 14, 2014, 05:39:51 PM
Some changes I’ve made since the first one
 
I’ve ordered a clear quartz crystal (still waiting for it) as my thinking is the resonance probably will be different from amethyst.
 
The hole in first wire net I made was touching the crystal as was the isolating discs, I have enlarged them so only the wires are touching.
 
Also this is just a simple antenna, its function is just like a TV Arial, but just receives energy from elsewhere and transforms it to EM energy (that’s my guess anyway)
 
So my original assumption that Basher is fake was probably wrong, I just never knew how the devise worked, I was building it blindly.
 
At the moment it doesn’t work but could be down to the amethyst crystal.


The Fibonacci spiral I done in Illustrator at 15 degrees apart.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: gauschor on January 14, 2014, 05:47:12 PM
Well I made it and its not working, the wire net is a proper Fibonacci spiral, and the quartz looks real to me and is colder than glass. So I conclude Bashar is fake.

AWESOME WORK!! WOW this is is sick, all the mesh wiring, quartz holes etc.  :o

Even with no result I'm still sure this device is based on a capacitor principle, where the spiral mesh's purpose is to collect electrostatic charge from the surroundings and then deliver it to the hemisphere (via the tips). Like a Van-De-Graaf. Maybe this should only visualize the basic principle (but it could be in fact the base for a Biefeld-Brown antigravity engine).

If you let the device still for some hours and then carefully check the outside hemispheres with some measurement device - did  a potential build up?
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 14, 2014, 05:52:54 PM
Never left it hours as the devise should work quickly, checked with metal detector on phone which is very sensitive, picks EM from speakers.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: guruji on January 14, 2014, 10:19:57 PM
Great work WTF you're a master builder.
Bashar's speaches are marvelous if any of you ever heard him. He claims that he's an ET and seems that he is really one.
Looking forward about this device; thanks who brought this up.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on January 14, 2014, 11:38:07 PM
Quote
...then the gold woven spiral in the middle that touches and penetrates the crystal, to touch in this way at a few points, at least four, the
golden rod penetrating through the crystal sphere...

Reading the above from Bashar's transcript, you've left out a bit of the circuit. I've shown how you could do this in my renderings I posted earlier. Mine showed one hole of five drilled through the equator of the crystal. Get these holes in, connect the circuit as per instructions, and you may just get a result.

My only other observation is that your crystal insulators are quite thick, which will have a number of effects, one being that the whole device will deviate from spherical, which may or may not matter - this is the kind of design sensitivity that needs to be explored for this device. Also, the rims of the hemispheres have quite a large gap - this gap is probably critical, so I suggest finding a way of bringing it closer, such as thinner crystal insulating disks. 1/8" should be fine.

Finally, you could make the copper rod ends sharper and more conical. If you have access to a bench grinder, mount the rod in a battery drill, and supporting the other end with a gloved hand, let it spin in your fingers at a slowish speed. Bring it up at an oblique angle to the side of the grinding wheel, pointing the tip up into the flow of the stone surface. USE SAFETY GLASSES. Make the angle at least half the angle of what you have shown (the cone should be about an inch long). When assembling, you have to make sure these are contacting the hemispheres with the lightest of pressure, as these sharp tips will be soft and delicate. However, if they don't touch, the circuit will remain open and most likely not work. The exception to this is the voltage is high enough to jump any small gap. We don't know, so keep an eye out for this.

Once again, a fine piece of work - I particularly admire the method you have used to weave the spiral mesh. Well Done!


Some changes I’ve made since the first one
 
I’ve ordered a clear quartz crystal (still waiting for it) as my thinking is the resonance probably will be different from amethyst.
 
The hole in first wire net I made was touching the crystal as was the isolating discs, I have enlarged them so only the wires are touching.
 
Also this is just a simple antenna, its function is just like a TV Arial, but just receives energy from elsewhere and transforms it to EM energy (that’s my guess anyway)
 
So my original assumption that Basher is fake was probably wrong, I just never knew how the devise worked, I was building it blindly.
 
At the moment it doesn’t work but could be down to the amethyst crystal.


The Fibonacci spiral I done in Illustrator at 15 degrees apart.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 15, 2014, 09:09:01 AM
First before I do anything I will wait until I have the clear crystal as this could make the difference since this might be out of tune with the energy it needs to receive due to wrong crystal.
 
The dome is 5 inches high not 6 inches so is a proper sphere, the insulating discs are 10 mm thick, but I have no idea if thinner ones would make a difference, also maybe plastic isn’t the best material to use but I couldn’t see any crystal discs so not much choice. But it’s best to try one thing at I time.
 
Regarding the rod cone, how do you know it needs to be an inch long? But it is sharp to touch.
 
There is 48 wires in total so drilling 48 holes around the crystal at exactly the right position could be difficult, but if all fails I will do this last. But thank you for your input it has been helpful.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 15, 2014, 09:17:21 AM

First before I do anything I will wait until I have the clear crystal as this could make the difference since this might be out of tune with the energy it needs to receive due to wrong crystal.
 
The dome is 5 inches high not 6 inches so is a proper sphere, the insulating discs are 10 mm thick, but I have no idea if thinner ones would make a difference, also maybe plastic isn’t the best material to use but I couldn’t see any crystal discs so not much choice. But it’s best to try one thing at I time.
 
Regarding the rod cone, how do you know it needs to be an inch long? But it is sharp to touch.
 
There is 48 wires in total so drilling 48 holes around the crystal at exactly the right position could be difficult, also in your rendering the hole goes all the way to centre which implies the wire would. But if all fails I will do this last. But thank you for your input it has been helpful.



I know Bashar says “that touches and penetrates the crystal” but how deep would the holes go?  He doesn’t say, and he never says to touch the rod with the wires.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 15, 2014, 11:49:06 AM
I’ve been reading this thing again, he also says “Then at the outer boundary of the net, allow each wire to remain as a single wire, do not curve them back upon themselves, allow their ends to be exposed in the centre of what you would call the sandwich.”
 
He says exposed in the centre he doesn’t say inside the crystal, when he says penetrate (remember he’s an alien or extraterrestrial as he puts it) do you think what he means by penetrate is the resonance from the wire penetrates through the crystal?
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: gauschor on January 15, 2014, 09:28:01 PM
The above quote does not match your question: the quote simply says that each wire on the outside shall remain loose and not be curved back (which you already have).

With "penetrating rod" (in the quote) I'm quite sure he means a rod exactly the way you created... a rod through the quartz sphere.
With "centre"(in the quote) he means the center of the device, the sandwich, not the center with the crystal ball.


 Your question is about the inside. So this is the quote in doubt:
Quote
then the gold woven spiral in the middle that touches and penetrates the crystal, to touch in this way at a few points, at least four, the
golden rod penetrating through the crystal sphere

At first read it almost seems like you need to drill 4 holes through the quartz ball and then connect 4 wires to the center rod. But this doesn't really make sense, as I would expect all wires being connected to the rod. Weird. How can the wire touch the center rod at a few points but only reach the crystal  ???
Though I wouldn't recommend to drill now. Maybe we missed something.


 
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on January 17, 2014, 03:35:36 AM
There is no ambiguity at all in the text - the wires must contact the axis rod, or no circuit, period. In at least four places, which means four or more. The wire mesh elements are all intertwined so should be in electrical contact with each other at every cross-over. This way, even one wire with a current going through will be in electrical contact with the whole mesh.

WTF will have to drill these equatorial holes, at least four, and make the mesh and the axis rod make electrical contact, or the whole exercise will be a waste of his time.


The above quote does not match your question: the quote simply says that each wire on the outside shall remain loose and not be curved back (which you already have).

With "penetrating rod" (in the quote) I'm quite sure he means a rod exactly the way you created... a rod through the quartz sphere.
With "centre"(in the quote) he means the center of the device, the sandwich, not the center with the crystal ball.


 Your question is about the inside. So this is the quote in doubt:
At first read it almost seems like you need to drill 4 holes through the quartz ball and then connect 4 wires to the center rod. But this doesn't really make sense, as I would expect all wires being connected to the rod. Weird. How can the wire touch the center rod at a few points but only reach the crystal  ???
Though I wouldn't recommend to drill now. Maybe we missed something.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on January 17, 2014, 03:49:29 AM

Regarding the rod cone, how do you know it needs to be an inch long? But it is sharp to touch.
 

Short answer, I don't know for sure, but with high voltage electrostatics, the sharper the point, the more concentrated the electrostatic field becomes, thus raising the local potential at the tip.
It is my presumption that this is why it needs to be sharp. This makes the tip more delicate, so if it can't contact the metal hemisphere, then it should at least be very close, say within no greater than a 1mm.

Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 17, 2014, 05:22:35 AM
Would seem if you both touch the rod and just connect to the crystal's outer area with a slight indent then you would be shorting out something that the crystal might be acting upon (such as rectifying or shaping a signal).  Are you sure he does not mean that the Rod passing through the crystal should be touching the crystal at four points.  This would make sense,  as to connect the bi lateral areas above and two bi lateral areas below could allow for 4 wires to transfer THROUGH the crystal matrix and would make their own paths to the correct collection hemisphere.  In making their own paths I mean being attracted to the correct dome.  We need to think about what is going on and what we already know of in dealing with circuits similar to this.  He does compare it with man made objects already and we should be considering how those objects are similarly connected. 


Connecting the Rod in this way will, as well, give physical support to the crystal's mounting. 


And if you drill through the crystal you will circumvent the energies filtering.


http://www.nrgnair.com/MPT/zdi_tech/tesla/TACREG-1.htm (http://www.nrgnair.com/MPT/zdi_tech/tesla/TACREG-1.htm)

This crystal may be a filter that inhibits some effects we see now in spark gaps and enhancing others.  And he does hint at it of course being able to sense things we have not been sensing in other circuits.  This device could be a very sensitive magnetic circuit as well as a collector,  especially if it is used as a part of anti gravity drive.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 17, 2014, 09:02:41 AM
@Hope
 
The rod touches the crystal at the full circumference of itself so touching 4 points of a round is not possible. I think that’s what you mean.
 
@Uniquorn
 
Why do you think these wires should touch the rod when he doesn’t say they should ever be in contact with it?
 
I can understand your reasoning when you say some of the wires go inside the crystal when he refers to “penetrating”, maybe that could help resonate the crystal more as the wire would have more contact with the crystal, but that could mean a 10mm deep hole he doesn’t say, so how do you come to your conclusion? Also when he says touching at 4 points he could mean only 4 of the wires touching the outside of the crystal.[/font]
 
The other thing to remember is the wire I use is 0.56mm so would need to drill 1mm hole in crystal, I don’t know if you have ever drilled a 1mm hole before in anything, but if you have you will know that anything more than very light pressure will snap the bit. Contrary to what people say when drilling quartz, drilling with light pressure doesn’t even scratch the surface, you need moderate pressure, so that kind of pressure could snap the drill bit, drilling with a bigger bit and the sides of the wire wouldn’t be in contact with the crystal.
 
But personally because of what Bashar says here “Then at the outer boundary of the net, allow each wire to remain as a single wire, do not curve them back upon themselves, allow their ends to be exposed in the center of what you would call the sandwich.”
I believe they are just exposed, because when he was answering that question he never said some of the wires go inside the crystal, but you also could be right about the wires going inside the crystal, but you will need to show be how you come to your conclusion about the wires touching the rod as I can’t see that in the text.
 
Also with the wire net being in contact at all the cross points, this is not mentioned either way, so why do you think this must be done that way, what is your reasoning. Of course if you are correct I would need to make the wire net again, but first I would like to know why you think they should be in contact.
 
 
I am open to all suggestions and will try them but I would like to know why you suggest what you suggest.
 
My first clear crystal came but unfortunately it was 54mm even though it was stated that it was 50mm, so ordered 2 more from 2 different sources, hopefully one will be 50mm.
 
I won’t try anything until I have fitted the clear crystal first, start with the easiest thing first.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 17, 2014, 09:12:58 AM

@Hope
 
The rod touches the crystal at the full circumference of itself so touching 4 points of a round is not possible. I think that’s what you mean.
 
@Uniquorn
 
Why do you think these wires should touch the rod when he doesn’t say they should ever be in contact with it?
 
I can understand your reasoning when you say some of the wires go inside the crystal when he refers to “penetrating”, maybe that could help resonate the crystal more as the wire would have more contact with the crystal, but that could mean a 10mm deep hole he doesn’t say, so how do you come to your conclusion? Also when he says touching at 4 points he could mean only 4 of the wires touching the outside of the crystal.
 
The other thing to remember is the wire I use is 0.56mm so would need to drill 1mm hole in crystal, I don’t know if you have ever drilled a 1mm hole before in anything, but if you have you will know that anything more than very light pressure will snap the bit. Contrary to what people say when drilling quartz, drilling with light pressure doesn’t even scratch the surface, you need moderate pressure, so that kind of pressure could snap the drill bit, drilling with a bigger bit and the sides of the wire wouldn’t be in contact with the crystal.
 
But personally because of what Bashar says here “Then at the outer boundary of the net, allow each wire to remain as a single wire, do not curve them back upon themselves, allow their ends to be exposed in the center of what you would call the sandwich.”
I believe they are just exposed, because when he was answering that question he never said some of the wires go inside the crystal, but you also could be right about the wires going inside the crystal, but you will need to show be how you come to your conclusion about the wires touching the rod as I can’t see that in the text.
 
Also with the wire net being in contact at all the cross points, this is not mentioned either way, so why do you think this must be done that way, what is your reasoning. Of course if you are correct I would need to make the wire net again, but first I would like to know why you think they should be in contact.
 
 
I am open to all suggestions and will try them but I would like to know why you suggest what you suggest.
 
My first clear crystal came but unfortunately it was 54mm even though it was stated that it was 50mm, so ordered 2 more from 2 different sources, hopefully one will be 50mm.
 
I won’t try anything until I have fitted the clear crystal first, start with the easiest thing first.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 17, 2014, 09:42:20 AM
I agree with you,  my point was to think a long time about how to organize your efforts to where you can do the least amount of drilling.  I did not think any wire was to go to the rod, only to the outer crystal.  What do you think is meant by "as one wire"?


And only a very high speed drill could do much boring at a low surface pressure.   I worked with a tool manufacture and very much agree with your statements on snapping the small drill bit.


So what do you also think about the 4 points of contact meant?  The wording seems vague to me. 
I would research the best way to do any work on that crystal before attempting changes to it if any.  And any materials you do remove please keep in case you need to create a crystal based adhesive. 


I like the drawings,  I would also create a flow chart from the statements and then use it to make an image to work from.  I have not done this step.  I applaud your fine work on the disks.   
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 17, 2014, 10:33:03 AM
I agree with you,  my point was to think a long time about how to organize your efforts to where you can do the least amount of drilling.  I did not think any wire was to go to the rod, only to the outer crystal.  What do you think is meant by "as one wire"?





The 4 points touching the crystal could mean the wires touch the outside of the crystal at least 4 points.

I think what he means by “each strand being its own wire” is that each wire is a separate wire, being the wire net not made from one wire, as I have done, I’ve used 48 separate wires. Whether they are meant to come into contact with each other or not is not mentioned, or even if it would make any difference I don’t know.
 
But I’m assuming that a clear crystal will have a different resonance frequency to an amethyst, so as this picks up certain energies with a certain frequency, I’m guessing that maybe with the amethyst, its out of tune, so that’s why I want to first change the crystal as it’s the easiest thing to try.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 17, 2014, 12:48:36 PM
Second crystal came, but this is also 54mm. Does anyone know where I can get a clear quartz crystal ball that is between 49 – 50mm. no point in just looking at the sites because they say there 50mm when there bigger? I’m thinking they don’t make clear quartz in 50mm.
 
The only other option is to remake the wire net with a bigger hole and loose some of the wire, might cause it to not pick up as well, I really wanted to keep the proper proportions.


Or would anyone know where I could get a crystal made into a 50mm ball? maybe it won’t cost that much.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 17, 2014, 03:57:43 PM
Someone has just measured a crystal for me, and its 48.23mm, so I just bought it, it’s near enough.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: gauschor on January 17, 2014, 06:21:56 PM
Ugh the wording is indeed confusing... also sometimes words or characters are missing making it ambiguous:

Quote
then the gold woven spiral in the middle that touches and penetrates the crystal, to touch in this way at a few points, at least four, the
golden rod penetrating through the crystal sphere

It can indeed be just an "enumeration" like that:

"Then there are two layers of crystal,
then the gold woven spiral in the middle that penetrates the crystal at 4 points,
then the golden rod that penetrates through the sphere."

So  if we assume it's just an enumeration, then all the wires shall be exposed but 4 or more of them directly touching the crystal (and no hole drilling).
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 17, 2014, 07:41:45 PM
What we really need is someone to go to one of Bashar’s show next time he’s on and ask him.  ;D
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on January 18, 2014, 04:06:02 AM
@Uniquorn
Why do you think these wires should touch the rod when he doesn’t say they should ever be in contact with it?

Because that is what Bashar SAYS to do: "...to touch in this way at a few points, at least four, THE GOLDEN ROD (that is) penetrating through the crystal sphere."

Not the crystal, but the golden rod, which in your case is a copper rod. Considering how vague the rest of the transcript is, this is the most clear part of it. The remaining exposed wires can touch the crystal or not, but as I mentioned earlier, the WHOLE mesh should be conductive, not just parts of it. This is why you don't need ALL the wires to touch.

You have the outside of the mesh exactly as it should be. The only unknowns here are: is the wire mesh dense enough (because Bashar does mention that it should be dense - "very tightly interwoven of gold thread,") and how close should the rims of the copper hemispheres be to the exposed outer tips of the wire mesh. For this, you will need to experiment.

So yes, you will have to drill at least four holes around the equator. They can be say 4mm in diameter to address your issue of the drill being to weak.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 18, 2014, 09:13:26 AM
If when I get the clear crystal it doesn’t work, I will try it your way, but the wires going into the crystal will have to be separate wires soldered on to the net, as the crystal is to close and the wires too rigid to do it any other way.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: gauschor on January 18, 2014, 10:12:39 AM
Agreed, I think it doesn't help and you need to drill 4 holes. Maybe a 2mm diameter drill works as well, because 1mm is very critical.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 19, 2014, 09:54:46 AM
Before you go and do any drilling on that found crystal let me research tonight on any other devices that might be using a quartz crystal to refine or filter signals.  It is an assumption I know about what is happening other than his clues in the latter part of the data.   I will look also at Tesla's known works and do a database search on what I can.   Will let you know anything I find.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 19, 2014, 10:45:58 AM
@Hope
 
Thank you.
 
I also think why the wire net would need to be in contact with the rod when quartz is conductive to some extent. You put electricity through quartz and its shape changes. Bashar probably meant penetrating as a metaphor. Also what you need to remember is back from 1995 when apparently this video came from, Bashar spoke more alien like, when he called people from the audience he used to point and say male………..female, that’s how he called people.
 
 
 
@Unigorn
 
Regarding the wire net, you said earlier that you think the wires should cross at every point to be electrical contact, I know the reason you said this is because only 4 wires need to touch the rod, but forgetting about the rod for one moment as at this point it doesn’t make a difference if its touching the rod or crystal as its still 4 wires only touching something. When I read this part -
 
“Then at the outer boundary of the net, allow each wire to remain as a single wire, do not curve them back upon themselves, allow their ends to be exposed in the centre of what you would call the sandwich.”
 
When he says allow each wire to remain a single wire that to me tells me that they must not come into contact with each other. Think of it this way if I had 2 wires and then soldered them together, wouldn’t they become one wire. As at the moment they have their own path to follow.
 
I know sometimes people can see things other people can’t see, and maybe you’re seeing things I can’t, but if you can please convince me they really should be in contact with each other, and why Basher has said they should be separated.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 19, 2014, 08:50:48 PM
This is the first and second articles found so far,  not that they are matches for this work.  But these works ARE using principles that are not known commonly. 


http://www.nrgnair.com/MPT/zdi_tech/tesla/TACREG-1.htm (http://www.nrgnair.com/MPT/zdi_tech/tesla/TACREG-1.htm)


http://www.rexresearch.com/gritskevich/gritskevich.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/gritskevich/gritskevich.htm)
The main processes in GT-HMD are:[/size]
A principle of Van de Graaf’s electrostatic generator, where the solid insulating tape was changed to the liquid one;[/size]
A perpetual washout of the surface electrons from the spacer layer takes place;[/size]
A single-turn low-frequency generator works as a coaxial turn with 4 resonance points and energy carrying substance inside it that has very high resonance properties;[/size]
The electrostatic breakdowns of cavitation-vacuum structures in water take place.[/size]
"The polar liquid (pure water) consists of dipoles only, i.e., strictly oriented charged molecules. During the interaction of ionized pure water with the layer of BaTiO3 the electrostatic field of above 10 million volts/cm is formed. During this process the breakdown of physical vacuum takes place."[/size]

I am going back to Mr. Aliens words and use them as keywords for searches.  This maybe exhaustive but insightful I hope.   (In the one link there is a 4 contact reference, interesting it would be put that way.)


Also going to do a search to see if I can find out what the bedrock depth was in Wardencliff and of what type rock it was.


I am going to relate some of my past as best I can recall it because it maybe be will show how quartz is very active.     Once my uncle took about 5 of us kids down past New Auberry, California towards the north a few miles to a piece of property on the west side of the road.  We gathered white rocks (not flint) with crystal structure and lined the entire bed of the old ford truck (metal with a wooden metal strapped bed) with maybe 2 layers thick of this "quartz" rock (rock was just laying all over the area).   We had fun messing around as kids do until it was getting late enough we could see it was sunset and getting dim light.  We all piled in the bed of the truck and my uncle Wayne Nance drove back up the dirt road as the rock giggled and wiggled blue sparks danced all over the place, kind of looking like it travelled as waves in a water pond.   We all of course were afraid, but soon calmed down when we realized it did not shock us.  Every bump produced an array of visual spectaculars that we kids all were entranced to watch.  Wayne and us took the rock out of the truck at his place on New Auberry Rd. and he used it to trim his garden borders.  Not a common thing to see,  but it did "spark" my interest about science a bit.   I know it must of been piezoelectric effect of some sort.  But how does quartz work to do that? AND is that the filter or action we are going to use in this device?   Your opinions and speculations please!
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 19, 2014, 09:24:33 PM
Obviously I can only guess how this works, but how I see this working is the wire net picks up the energy, which then resonates the crystal with the energy penetrating through it, which also probably amplifies this energy, then gets transfers to the rod then to the domes. Of course this could be completely wrong.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 19, 2014, 09:35:19 PM
Ok,  after reading numerous geology reports on Shoreham Long Island (Wardenclyffe area) it has show there are many quartz deposits.  Tesla sank (rooted) his tower with metal beams 300 feet or more into that earth so he could "shake the earth" there.   Hope this means something other than what "shake" meant.  Of course shake could very well mean resonate.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 19, 2014, 09:47:39 PM
I never realised the tower went 300 feet underground, I thought it was about 120 feet in the ground and nearly 300 feet above ground. I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: e2matrix on January 20, 2014, 12:17:53 AM
This is the first and second articles found so far,  not that they are matches for this work.  But these works ARE using principles that are not known commonly. 


http://www.nrgnair.com/MPT/zdi_tech/tesla/TACREG-1.htm (http://www.nrgnair.com/MPT/zdi_tech/tesla/TACREG-1.htm)


http://www.rexresearch.com/gritskevich/gritskevich.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/gritskevich/gritskevich.htm)
The main processes in GT-HMD are:[/size]
A principle of Van de Graaf’s electrostatic generator, where the solid insulating tape was changed to the liquid one;[/size]
A perpetual washout of the surface electrons from the spacer layer takes place;[/size]
A single-turn low-frequency generator works as a coaxial turn with 4 resonance points and energy carrying substance inside it that has very high resonance properties;[/size]
The electrostatic breakdowns of cavitation-vacuum structures in water take place.[/size]
"The polar liquid (pure water) consists of dipoles only, i.e., strictly oriented charged molecules. During the interaction of ionized pure water with the layer of BaTiO3 the electrostatic field of above 10 million volts/cm is formed. During this process the breakdown of physical vacuum takes place."[/size]

I am going back to Mr. Aliens words and use them as keywords for searches.  This maybe exhaustive but insightful I hope.   (In the one link there is a 4 contact reference, interesting it would be put that way.)


Also going to do a search to see if I can find out what the bedrock depth was in Wardencliff and of what type rock it was.


I am going to relate some of my past as best I can recall it because it maybe be will show how quartz is very active.     Once my uncle took about 5 of us kids down past New Auberry, California towards the north a few miles to a piece of property on the west side of the road.  We gathered white rocks (not flint) with crystal structure and lined the entire bed of the old ford truck (metal with a wooden metal strapped bed) with maybe 2 layers thick of this "quartz" rock (rock was just laying all over the area).   We had fun messing around as kids do until it was getting late enough we could see it was sunset and getting dim light.  We all piled in the bed of the truck and my uncle Wayne Nance drove back up the dirt road as the rock giggled and wiggled blue sparks danced all over the place, kind of looking like it travelled as waves in a water pond.   We all of course were afraid, but soon calmed down when we realized it did not shock us.  Every bump produced an array of visual spectaculars that we kids all were entranced to watch.  Wayne and us took the rock out of the truck at his place on New Auberry Rd. and he used it to trim his garden borders.  Not a common thing to see,  but it did "spark" my interest about science a bit.   I know it must of been piezoelectric effect of some sort.  But how does quartz work to do that? AND is that the filter or action we are going to use in this device?   Your opinions and speculations please!


Have you ever taken a Wintergreen Lifesaver and bit into it in the dark in front of a mirror?   Give it a try sometime.   Here is the explanation for that and possibly something similar with your quartz rocks:
Why do Wint-O-Green Life Savers spark in the dark?





Actually, all hard sugar-based candies emit some degree of light when you bite them, but most of the time, that light is very faint. This effect is called triboluminescence, which is similar to the electrical charge build-up that produces lightning, only much less grand. Triboluminescence is the emission of light resulting from something being smashed or torn. When you rip a piece of tape off the roll, it will produce a slight glow for the same reason.

Triboluminescence occurs when molecules, in this case crystalline sugars, are crushed, forcing some electrons out of their atomic fields. These free electrons bump into nitrogen molecules in the air. When they collide, the electrons impart energy to the nitrogen molecules, causing them to vibrate. In this excited state, and in order to get rid of the excess energy, these nitrogen molecules emit light -- mostly ultraviolet (nonvisible) light, but they do emit a small amount of visible light as well. This is why all hard, sugary candies will produce a faint glow when cracked.

But when you bite into a Wint-O-Green Life Saver, a much greater amount of visible light can be seen.

This brighter light is produced by the wintergreen flavoring. Methyl salicylate, or oil of wintergreen, is fluorescent, meaning it absorbs light of a shorter wavelength and then emits it as light of a longer wavelength. Ultraviolet light has a shorter wavelength than visible light. So when a Wint-O-Green Life Saver is crushed between your teeth, the methyl salicylate molecules absorb the ultraviolet, shorter wavelength light produced by the excited nitrogen, and re-emit it as light of the visible spectrum, specifically as blue light -- thus the blue sparks that jump out of your mouth when you crunch on a Wint-O-Green Life Saver.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 20, 2014, 08:58:51 AM
Ahh there you go again putting down something you've never even tried.   Sounds simple enough.   Just need an 8 inch diameter rod of gold and a few other basic items.   That shouldn't be any problem .....   as long as you've got about a spare half million dollars for the gold rod.    ;D
Well maybe copper ....   Ummmm  NO ... copper has gotten stupid expensive too.   Oh well


Bashar is funny as heck to watch but I really think he's just a smart and hyper entertainer.
No problem    here,  what you can't conceive or believe just can be represented as a negative,  you are NOT always such.   I imagine it is just your mood at this time that prevails you from seeing any thoughts that are building and not negative.   I know your are trying to help here, yet your comments are seeming to dissuade the idea of quartz being of benefit or even some source of useful additions.   We are what many call brain storming Emadtoxic and will be happy to have positive and insightful comments.   How are you helping?   Yes.  I too am an IEEE and can name many processes,  yet that was not the common ground I wished to convey here.  What we need are people who can ADD to a positive and useful topic instead of being burdensome and derogatory in a way that leads people away from  building upon an idea.  If you can assist and seek solutions and answers then by all means please do.  Otherwise bugger off.   We all can click on your name and read your posts both positive and negative.  Others have tried to offer ideas and imagination here before with your comments,  some of these are positive and a fair amount are negative and have a subtle hint of finality.   If you can not increase this topic then why diminish it?   We are left to ponder your purpose. Please take some time an invest in our future instead of being kurt and less than helpful.  Spend the same amount of time doing research and adding to this topic, else why are you here?  Have a lifesaver and enjoy.
 
 
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 20, 2014, 09:10:44 AM
So WTF  I see you trying and with your energy trying to build with great efforts.   Thank you for your belief in things not seen yet accepted as possible.  We have no clear picture of what part of real science is left out of our schoolings.  It is an honorable effort on your part to experiment with things not seen but believed in.   We following this topic seeing you as an person putting it all on the line to achieve something unknown at this time.  Hope we can ALL as well get behind you and make this happen.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on January 21, 2014, 01:15:07 PM
@Hope
 
Thank you.
 
I also think why the wire net would need to be in contact with the rod when quartz is conductive to some extent. You put electricity through quartz and its shape changes. Bashar probably meant penetrating as a metaphor. Also what you need to remember is back from 1995 when apparently this video came from, Bashar spoke more alien like, when he called people from the audience he used to point and say male………..female, that’s how he called people.
 

@Unigorn
 
Regarding the wire net, you said earlier that you think the wires should cross at every point to be electrical contact, I know the reason you said this is because only 4 wires need to touch the rod, but forgetting about the rod for one moment as at this point it doesn’t make a difference if its touching the rod or crystal as its still 4 wires only touching something. When I read this part -
 
“Then at the outer boundary of the net, allow each wire to remain as a single wire, do not curve them back upon themselves, allow their ends to be exposed in the centre of what you would call the sandwich.”
 
When he says allow each wire to remain a single wire that to me tells me that they must not come into contact with each other. Think of it this way if I had 2 wires and then soldered them together, wouldn’t they become one wire. As at the moment they have their own path to follow.
 
I know sometimes people can see things other people can’t see, and maybe you’re seeing things I can’t, but if you can please convince me they really should be in contact with each other, and why Basher has said they should be separated.

@Hope (and others)
The penetration Bashar speaks of is not a metaphor. To penetrate means to pass through a material, with an implication of some difficulty. And he states clearly that the WIRE must penetrate, not the current. Quartz is an excellent insulator, so expecting any voltage to get through is unlikely. Besides that, Bashar's track record is to always be explicit when he speaks of metaphors.

"then the gold woven spiral in the middle that touches and penetrates the crystal, to touch in this way at a few points, at least four, the golden rod penetrating through the crystal sphere"

Note the "and" between "touches and penetrates". This fits with some wires touching the crystal "and" some wires penetrating the crystal. Note also that the "golden rod" also penetrates the crystal. That is not metaphorical either. Beings that claim to be verging into the non-physical realm are unlikely to be using rotary drill bits to machine their gadgets. So the choice of the word "penetrate" is neutral, in that it leaves it up to the experimenter on how they choose to make the penetration.

@WTF
Your crystal sphere should be one inch in diameter, that is 25.4mm, probably plus or minus 2mm (my guess) I'm not sure where you got 2inches from (50.8mm).

"When he says allow each wire to remain a single wire that to me tells me that they must not come into contact with each other."
To be honest, I haven't a clue how you could interpret it this way. He would have explicitly made clear if they were not to come in contact with each other, which would require insulation.

The wire mesh is quoted as 'tightly interwoven' and 'woven', which are effectively the same. There is no mention anywhere of the wires being insulated, and in other talks, Bashar has always been explicit about insulation. Interwoven means it must cross over each other. Therefore a "Tightly interwoven", non insulated mesh of wires will constitute a wholly conductive mesh, albeit constrained in a geometrical Fibonacci spiral. "Tightly" means the wires will firmly contact each other to make a sure electrical contact.

As for the outer boundary wire ends, he says exposed single wires, which means he doesn't want a single long wire looped back on it self. So therefore, you have the outer wires in the correct arrangement.

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I'm simply going to the source. Most of the questions you are asking can be answered simply by reading the whole transcript, over and over until you understand Bashar's intentions to the last detail. You have the patience and wherewithal to make the device, so take the time to read the Bashar's plan. This will save you time and money.
Go back and have a look at my renderings - they are based exactly on what Bashar's transcript says, except the rim, which is my detail.



@Hope - thanks for sharing your story of the quartz in the truck bed - fascinating. Also, thanks for your encouragement for WTF.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 21, 2014, 03:05:26 PM
You must remember my device is double the size to the one Bashar was talking about, so this would require a 50mm crystal.
 
You are right about the woven part saying 1 wire would be over and the other wire that crosses it would be under it, which happens in mine with the template in between, for the wires to cross and touch, both wires would have to be on top or underneath, which wouldn’t really be classed as interwoven, if all wires were meant to come in contact with each other it would be more logical to have them contact each other in the centre.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: gauschor on January 21, 2014, 03:32:18 PM
"then the gold woven spiral in the middle that touches and penetrates the crystal, to touch in this way at a few points, at least four, the golden rod penetrating through the crystal sphere"

Note the "and" between "touches and penetrates". This fits with some wires touching the crystal "and" some wires penetrating the crystal. Note also that the "golden rod" also penetrates the crystal.

Thanks for this thorough explanation. Now I agree that in this context the word "penetrate" shall be understood as something that "goes through physically". Also makes sense in all cases when Bashar uses this wording.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 21, 2014, 03:36:06 PM
Thanks for this thorough explanation. Now I agree that in this context the word "penetrate" shall be understood as something that "goes through physically". Also makes sense in all cases when Bashar uses this wording.




Do you also think the wire net should make contact at every crossover point?
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 21, 2014, 03:55:17 PM
Could I have other peoples options on the wire net contacting the rod and if the wires on the net should be in contact at every cross point. Thanks
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 21, 2014, 04:34:29 PM
Just tried drilling the amethyst with a coated diamond drill bit 3mm, but being coated the diamond bits come off in a few seconds, even had a faint orange glow where I was drilling, I’ve search for a bonded diamond drill bit, but they seem to start at 5mm. sometimes they are called brazed or welded, if anyone knows where to get one preferably in the UK please let me know.
 
The reason not to do the hole to big is when you drill quartz you drill through both sides to stop the crystal breaking from the other side, even with the rod through it, some breakage will happen, so the bigger the drill bit the more the crystal will break, if it breaks to much then the 6mm hole the rod goes through won’t be a proper hole anymore, which can’t be good.




I’m also thinking if the wire is really meant to go through the crystal, I’m sure its meant to touch the sides, otherwise why go through the crystal and not over the top, so drilling a 5mm hole, the 0.56mm wire won’t touch the side to much, and the more crystal that is removed the less power would be available.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: gauschor on January 21, 2014, 05:15:57 PM
Do you also think the wire net should make contact at every crossover point?

I am not so sure about that point unfortunately :-| Or if the whole wires shall be insulated or not. Although it would make sense if they were not insulated as you said - so it can touch the crystal. But what's the point of all these non-insulated wires if they all are connected to each other. It's like all of them being on the same niveau/potential. Or is this on purpose? Hmmm... let's hear some other opinions.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 21, 2014, 05:35:30 PM
Even though there not insulated, doesn’t mean they have to touch, but if they have to touch why not just in the centre, why every contact point?
 
At the moment I have one person’s opinion, with the wire net touching the rod and the wires of the wire net making contact with each other, that’s why I want other people to state their opinion on this, especially with the wire net, takes a long time to make it so I need to be like 95% sure before doing this, or at least if lots of other people think the same as uniquorn then maybe there’s something in it.


I wished I lived in LA, I would go to one of Bashar’s shows and ask him.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 21, 2014, 05:40:09 PM
I suppose if the wires were meant to touch at the cross over points the wires could share the same holes. Maybe if this were the case that Bashar’s wire net wouldn’t even use a template.




To be truly interwoven when the wires cross one must be over and the other must be under, so to be interwoven and in contact it would not be possible with a template, the only way for all wires to be in contact at every cross point would be to either have them both over or under at the same cross point which isn’t really classed as interwoven, or share the same hole, with the hole being at the cross point which is also not interwoven.


Edit: I don’t think it will make any difference if it shares the same hole or crosses over with both on top or both on the bottom as there both crossing and making contact.




What I could do if I have to drill the crystal with those 4 holes with a 5mm bit is put a 4.5mm thick copper wire in it so it touches the sides of the crystal and connect that to the net.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on January 22, 2014, 01:28:00 AM
You must remember my device is double the size to the one Bashar was talking about, so this would require a 50mm crystal.
 
You are right about the woven part saying 1 wire would be over and the other wire that crosses it would be under it, which happens in mine with the template in between, for the wires to cross and touch, both wires would have to be on top or underneath, which wouldn’t really be classed as interwoven, if all wires were meant to come in contact with each other it would be more logical to have them contact each other in the centre.

Sorry WTF, I hadn't noticed you had scaled it up! Guess I should read your posts more carefully, eh! ;-)

The mesh is indeed a challenging element to make. It may be that the interweaving is just a means of getting good electrical contact at the intersections.
With this in mind, it could mean that the double spiral pattern could be simply laser-cut from a copper sheet. That's a big maybe, though.
Another method might be to use a spiral pin-board, using the thinnest wire of 0.4mm (1/64"), to help in the fine manipulations required.

Also, I've noticed your mesh is a symmetrical double spiral. In nature, these spirals are asymmetrical. One spiral is a different angle from the other. I suspect that this may matter, and therefore recommend that you imitate natural spirals, as Bashar also indicates in the transcript.

I had a good link for this, but lost it in a bookmark manager crash. :-(    I'll see if I can find it for you, and will post it. It shows how to generate it on a spread sheet, then print it out, so you could use it as a template. I can print a series of these, and post them so you could use them.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 22, 2014, 06:42:05 AM
Lets keep an eye out for each other,  but also lets be effective.  Obviously,  Bashar's words are important and we need to keep someone on specifics.  But also,  we must be trying to understand more than any one part the whole principle.  Please each of you describe what each piece (best you can) is doing and why you feel that way.  If we are to use energy flowing all around us then we must agree on some mutual thoughts to how this can happen.


This is my feeling:    Let's say that we are a boat floating on a large river which is moving rapidly all around us.   We wish to use it's movement to obtain energy.  We will need more than a large paddle wheel mounted on our boat.   We need a "difference in potential" first.   So we need to anchor to some stationary non moving bank.  This way the water flows past our wheels.   Secondly,  we need the wheel to do work.  Thirdly,  we need to save that work.  And at last use that work (and convert it if need be to a usable form). 


So what is the nature of the flow needs to be understood.  I mean how can we collect water with a sieve or sand with a pitch fork? 


We assume it is static electricity all? What else does anyone think it could be?  Perhaps a negative flow from all this science we now use that doesn't even acknowledge there is another flow, such as an opposite and equal reaction?   I am hoping to make some definitive's here because thousands of ideas just plain use the scatter gun approach and hit a target once.  Yet miss that lucky shot the next 50 attempts.  If we can define the rules,  it will only take a minimum of efforts to make and remake working devices.


So please what kind of energy are we seeking to collect?


 
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 22, 2014, 09:56:23 AM
You both have been very helpful, so thank you.
 
Regarding having different angle of one of the spirals, I know what you mean, when you look at sunflowers, but these are more random not just one of the overlaid spirals that are different, unless I hear this from Bashar I won’t change that ever, as these are 100% proper Fibonacci spirals.
 
But I have redesigned the template with the theory that when Bashar says touch & penetrate, he means the wire touches the sides of the crystal as it goes through, so a nice tight fitting for those 4 wires and not the wires touching the side of the crystal, though there’s no harm in doing so.
 
Now I have increased the centre hole by 5mm so now can use crystals between 50mm – 54mm, I have lost the first stitching around the centre hole but have managed to squeeze in 12 more wires, so I now have 60 in total instead of 48, which is now 12 degrees apart, in comparison the old template looks empty, hard to believe 12 more wires can make it look so crowded, this will increase surface area which can only be good.
 
I will wire this up with shared holes, this is where the wires will make contact.
 
I will use the amethyst as a practice crystal for the holes as if the holes are too big this could destroy the centre of it rendering it as useless.
 
See I’m now coming to your way of thinking Uniqorn (now you can have your sigh of relieve) but the template will remain symmetrical, that will never change without 100% evidence to back up your theory, remember nature isn’t perfect, it’s a representation of perfection. But the other things you have suggested do seem logical so I will try them.






Another way the wire net could be done is do 2 separate single spirals and then put them together, not what you call interwoven, but if there meant to be in contact with each other then would be easier.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 22, 2014, 01:34:46 PM
Looking forward to seeing the device any way you build it.   Do you have pictures showing the disks as they were made?  Do you have the hemispheres already?  Can you show all the parts and material used so we can get a parts list?






A bit of information on Quartz:



" Quartz is the low-temperature stable form of silicon dioxide or silica.Silicon and oxygen are the two most common elements in the Earth's crust.Quartz crystal is perhaps the most common mineral found on the face of the Earth. Sand and sandstone are considered “clastic” forms of quartz by mineralogists, meaning that they are formed of fragments of pre-existing rocks.


Although quartz makes up a large portion of the Earth's surface, there are only three places in the world that have enough high quality quartz crystal to warrant mining. These are Brazil, Madagascar, a small island off the coast of Africa, and Mt. Ida in the Ouachita Mountain range of Arkansas.


The remarkable geometric patterns quartz crystals form in nature have been the subject of scientific inquiry for centuries. In 1660, Renaissance Saint and scientist Nicolaus Steno conducted precise measurements of quartz crystal structures and found that regardless of their source, the angles between corresponding quartz crystal faces are constant. This became known as Steno’s Law of crystallography.


In the next century, the Abbé Haüy formulated the geometric law of crystallization. His work led to the modern definition of a crystal: any substance in which the molecules or atoms are arranged in a regular, ordered way in three dimensions.Crystals formed of the same mineral occur naturally in many different shapes, but all share specific internal structural characteristics.


There are believed to be seven shapes, or "systems" into which crystals can form. They include cubic, hexagonal, tetragonal, orthorhombic, monoclinic, and triclinic. Quartz manifests in hexagonal crystalline systems, commonly having the form of a six-sided prism terminating in a six-sided pyramid."


quoted from http://www.satyacenter.com/health-crystals-using-quartz-crystals?page=7 (http://www.satyacenter.com/health-crystals-using-quartz-crystals?page=7)
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 22, 2014, 02:33:15 PM
I also found this animation that could be thought of similar to what Bashar's device could be doing.
The gif is supposed to be an animation.  Is important to see in animation mode   can someone get it form testilca topic and repost correctly??



Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 22, 2014, 03:13:40 PM
You can see all the parts I’ve used on pages 3 -4, although right now I’m wiring a fully conductive wire net.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 22, 2014, 05:24:18 PM
As you can see from the picture you will see where the points cross, also the heart of the flash matrix also has a heart in it. :)
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on January 23, 2014, 06:00:40 AM
Time for a review, as I can see WTF's efforts being undermined by pretty much ignoring the detail of Bashar's Transcript.

1. It is fair to conclude, none of us know how the device really works.
(It's a brand new, hearsay, unproven on this earth, and pretty much considered impossible by the science of the day).

2. So, any speculation and/or experimentation has to rest on a firm foundation, and the ONLY reliable foundation available is Bashar's Transcript. This is the Starting Point.

3. Any deviation from this foundation devalues all results gained.

4. This is the now the third time I've said it in this forum: READ the TRANSCRIPT. This means you will be listening to what Bashar said - not me.


Now, when I provide my opinion, it is based firmly on Bashar's word. I quote and clearly show how I come to my conclusions, and expect the same from other commentators. This is not because Bashar's word is un-challengable, but because that's all we have to work with.

Otherwise, you are welcome to invent a new device based on a principal we have little, if any, understanding of.
You are only embarking on this venture because of Bashar's sharing, so why ignore his advice?

Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on January 23, 2014, 06:22:14 AM
You both have been very helpful, so thank you.
 
Regarding having different angle of one of the spirals, I know what you mean, when you look at sunflowers, but these are more random not just one of the overlaid spirals that are different, unless I hear this from Bashar I won’t change that ever, as these are 100% proper Fibonacci spirals.
 
(snipped)
 
See I’m now coming to your way of thinking Uniqorn (now you can have your sigh of relieve) but the template will remain symmetrical, that will never change without 100% evidence to back up your theory, remember nature isn’t perfect, it’s a representation of perfection. But the other things you have suggested do seem logical so I will try them.

Another way the wire net could be done is do 2 separate single spirals and then put them together, not what you call interwoven, but if there meant to be in contact with each other then would be easier.

@WTF
1. I'm not calling it interwoven, Bashar is calling it interwoven.

2. Bashar states to emulate, in the Transcript, "Fibonacci spirals", which is a precise mathematical structure.

3. He also states to emulate nature, such as the sunflower seed spirals, which follow, very precisely, but not perfectly (say 97%?), the Fibonacci spiral.

4. A very special, but well-known feature of Fibonacci spirals is the multiple angle, asymmetrical spirals that all live neatly together. This feature is what many believe lends it its beauty.
 (just do a google image search on "fibonacci spiral" and you can see this clearly for yourself.)

5. Therefore, a perfectly symmetrical spiral is either not a Fibonacci spiral, or it is a special case, which is not seen in nature, which you will discover to be true if you do my suggested google image search.

Instead of challenging me to come up with "100% evidence to back up (my theory)", which is not a theory, just me reporting what Bashar says, then how about you provide me with some better reasoning on why you came to your method, which clearly ignores Bashar's plan?



WTF, I still very much admire your willingness to take on this task. I am finding it difficult to witness you drift off track, so my intention is to guide you back in the direction as laid out by Bashar.
You are welcome to take these deviations from Bashar's plan. Any negative results will simply require you that you go back to transcript, otherwise they will not be conclusive.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on January 23, 2014, 06:27:09 AM
@WTF

For the diamond drilling, did you keep a continuous flow of cooling water on the drill bit?

This water serves two purposes:
1. Flushes out the bits of crystal that would other wise clog up the drill
2. Keeps it COOL - if it gets too hot, it will melt the solder (or glue?) holding the diamond to the bit, thus it will fall off, rendering the drill useless.

High drill speed, gentle steady pressure on the drill, take your time, pulling it out from time-to-time to clear it.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on January 23, 2014, 06:53:23 AM
Some general observations:

1. The device is high-voltage accumulator, as described by Bashar.

2. The device is comprised of conductive and insulating elements.

3. Conductivity and insulating properties are well understood - they combine to make up circuits.

4. We should employ, rather than ignore or abandon, our knowledge about circuits in the usual logical ways that work correctly.


In other words, combine our existing knowledge of electrical circuits with Bashar's plan - then play and experiment.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 23, 2014, 09:50:46 AM
I always use water when diamond drilling, and not all diamond drill bits are meant to be high speed every bit is different, depends on manufacture.
 
When I search for Fibonacci spiral they are all perfect like mine, your forgetting nature isn’t perfect, it can’t be as it grows, just like people don’t look perfect, they have imperfections.
 
When Bashar said like simulating a sunflower, that was just an example, he had to compare it with something that everyone understands, like Bashar says the Fibonacci spiral is everywhere in nature, but he is just telling you that it is a significant pattern, nothing more. But I suspect if the spirals were not really a proper Fibonacci spiral it still would work to some extent.
 
If you can do better then make one yourself, after all the more people make them the more chance it has to work. 
 
 
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on January 23, 2014, 10:24:01 AM
I always use water when diamond drilling, and not all diamond drill bits are meant to be high speed every bit is different, depends on manufacture.
 
When I search for Fibonacci spiral they are all perfect like mine, your forgetting nature isn’t perfect, it can’t be as it grows, just like people don’t look perfect, they have imperfections.
 
When Bashar said like simulating a sunflower, that was just an example, he had to compare it with something that everyone understands, like Bashar says the Fibonacci spiral is everywhere in nature, but he is just telling you that it is a significant pattern, nothing more. But I suspect if the spirals were not really a proper Fibonacci spiral it still would work to some extent.
 
If you can do better then make one yourself, after all the more people make them the more chance it has to work.

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"I always use water when diamond drilling, and not all diamond drill bits are meant to be high speed every bit is different, depends on manufacture."
Ok, this means it may have been a faulty drill bit. Anyhow, it tells me you know what you are doing here, after all, you have succeeded in drilling the other holes...

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"When I search for Fibonacci spiral they are all perfect like mine, your forgetting nature isn’t perfect, it can’t be as it grows, just like people don’t look perfect, they have imperfections."

What internet are you using - one from some freaky mathless parallel universe? I challenge you to provide me with a link that shows all Fibonacci spirals to be symmetrical, rather than asymmetrical.

Have you studied the Fibonacci spiral, formulas etc? Sunflowers are near perfect Fibonacci spirals, just as 'perfect' as yours, in that anything that is made or grown will have some imperfections. The devices whole purpose is to utilize a Fibonacci spiral - to ignore this is to ignore the core principal of the device!

I just don't understand why you are so hell bent on implementing half of a plan, why you won't listen to what Bashar instructs, when you have stated twice now that you will only take Bashar's word.

If you deviate from Bashar's instructions, then you won't be able to prove him wrong, or right, because it won't be the same device. Apples and Oranges...

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"If you can do better then make one yourself, after all the more people make them the more chance it has to work."

This is a fair comment - you seem to be getting a bit fed up with my nagging. ;-)  Indeed, those doing it have a better right to call the shots.
Give me some time. By the way, I will use your method of two bowls. Wish me luck! :-)
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 23, 2014, 10:45:21 AM
Just type Fibonacci spiral into google and you will see, it can only be made one way with the golden ratio numbers, but anyway good luck and maybe we can compare both of ours.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on January 23, 2014, 11:31:50 AM
Just type Fibonacci spiral into google and you will see, it can only be made one way with the golden ratio numbers, but anyway good luck and maybe we can compare both of ours.

*sigh*
I did, and all the double spirals are asymmetrical. You are using a different internet. I am now convinced you are from a parallel universe...  ;-D
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 23, 2014, 11:57:25 AM
Lol


Is this not a Fibonacci spiral
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 23, 2014, 12:21:32 PM
Also this is a picture I found on the internet in this reality (really) the design on the left is symmetrical.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 23, 2014, 12:51:25 PM
I see what you mean now, you, mean the number of spirals should be different like left spiral being 21 and right having 34, I thought you meant the shape of the pattern, since I can only fit a max of 30 one way, this would be very loosely interwoven.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 23, 2014, 04:15:12 PM
This is a 34 – 21 Fibonacci spiral
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: gauschor on January 23, 2014, 06:29:25 PM
Great attention to detail. I didn't look at the amount of strings. Who would have thought that the left curved and right curved spirals are not identical in number and use Fibonacci numbers (ok ok, Bashar said it, but on the first look you'd just use same amount of strongs for each side). Why didn't we learn this in school? Nature is awesome.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 23, 2014, 08:24:31 PM
I know, before I accidently came across this thread and read Bashar’s description, I’ve never even heard of Fibonacci, when uniquorn said my wire net wasn’t symmetrical I thought what is he on about, now I know. It’s a good job he’s here.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 24, 2014, 07:55:43 AM
Cymatics shows this wire outlay to be in harmony with a pure frequency.   Building such a perfect pattern of wires could be much simpler of course later  (once a working model has been built) with a 3D printer.


Yes, Unicorq  I too believe we need to follow Bashar's work on the pattern or else what have we got.   But all through the history of mankind there is a situation that arises.   Someone says something,  someone else interprets it with a certain amount of accuracy.   I know you are being a perfect as you can,  all your heart is in this and you THINK you have been correct.   So lets take an approach that is orderly.   What can we do so we do no harm is checking different configurations?  Progressing towards more and more modification of the parts until we are at the final determined design?   All I am asking is that we check in order as non destructive as possible along a path so that there is the least waste of materials, building measuring and proving or  disproving until we arrive at the final modifications.


It is WFT's resources and time.  Let him decide what is best.  I have seen builders revise and learn through the years.  Many make discoveries and change the designs continuously until either they run out of ideas or succeed.


Even after the device works there will be revisions.  That is normal and is called progress as you know as well as I do.   My two cents on the crystals importance is that it alone is used to strip or consolidate or somehow transform flowing unknown energy through the matrix of crystal and allow it to be collected.  You decide for yourself how that can happen and checking your findings and device completely assembled.   Good luck with this!


As the energy travels through that crystal it will order itself due to magnetic's that permeate everywhere and this I believe is where the "magic" happens.  The magnetic's is like a waveband that the energy rides on.
   
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 24, 2014, 09:31:06 AM
When you look at a sunflower there’s no space anywhere, so I think the wire net would have to be a similar configuration, so my 34/21 net I’m wiring up now probably won’t be effective enough as there’s lots of space in between the wires, if you look at this picture from you see what I mean, the only way to wire it up like that would be to use 0.1mm wire, lot smaller than specified, and the smaller the wire the less surface to pick up energy. But Bashar could of meant it to be like the picture as that would be considered very tightly interwoven.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: gauschor on January 24, 2014, 10:55:58 AM
This last picture feels somehow wrong (on the first look), because there are much much more Sunflower kernels than could be produces by Fibonacci strings. It looks like only 8 Fibonacci strings come together in the center and all other kernels come from "sub-branches" of these 8 main strings. But if we look at this sunflower picture (http://www.proton-resonance.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/sonnenblume11.jpg), we can see that this isn't the case on a real sunflower. All Sunflower kernels lay next to the main strings, which all come together in the center. Though I am not 100% sure, as the center is cluttered anyways.

It's kinda awesome looking at it and seeing that it forms a hill in the center. It emerges outward, because there is nowhere else to go for a conflux of streams but vertically upwards. Reminds me of spiral galaxies which also have a core that somehow extends the "flat disk".
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 24, 2014, 12:25:52 PM
Just tied wiring a 55/34 template, the wires ripped the holes around the centre as they are so close together, that was with a 0.7mm drill bit and 0.56mm wire, I guess its back to the 34/21 empty template.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 25, 2014, 03:09:59 AM
Please have a look at this link and notice there are many close devices shown there that resemble (slightly) the Bashar Collector.   Was amazed to find this data all on one site.






Electromagnetic Coils - portal.groupKOS.com (http://portal.groupkos.com/index.php?title=Electromagnetic_Coils)


http://portal.groupkos.com/images/thumb/d/da/Toroidal_Transformer_Poynting_Vector_constant314_11401x4801.jpg/800px-Toroidal_Transformer_Poynting_Vector_constant314_11401x4801.jpg
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 25, 2014, 03:15:21 AM
If each dielectric disk created its own opposite circular field (which just maybe exactly the point) then it would push the center copper rods energies to collect in the upper and lower hemispheres.   
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: NickZ on January 25, 2014, 05:08:20 AM
 
  So, guys,
  Has anyone built up one of these "crystal generators"  and,  has it going to any degree,  yet?
  Maybe the energy or power that's being extracted through the crystal is not magnetic, or electrical in nature, but, gravitational field energies that are being drawn from the surrounding Aether.  Then converted by the use of the opposite polarity rods, to separate positive from the negative  of this surrounding aether field source, into a more useable  output source.  Or, am I way off?
 

Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 26, 2014, 03:11:51 AM
No Nick,  really we are still undecided on what exactly is being collected.   It would seem that an unknown energy will be held in the hemispheres and of course that could be on any nature.  A gravity N field both positive and negative, magnetics, electrical, aether itself perhaps.  We are not even ruling out some sort of time modulator at this point.  Mostly WFT has the device built and we are trying to both define its purpose and look if anything else is similar that works.  The Bashar document needs to be understood to a high degree.  This is where we are right now in the project.  Do you or know of anyone with a 3D printer?  We could make the disks to a finite precision and that would surely help.  WTF has shown amazing work so far on his build and we hope his finished prototype will be operable soon.  Read the topic from the beginning to see the pictures so far of work on the parts. 
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: NickZ on January 26, 2014, 04:03:34 AM
  Hope:
  Ok, thanks for the reply.
  Bashar only give hints, not the whole cup of tea.  He says that he doesn't want to spoil the surprize.  Ha!
  Good luck to all on this one, looks nice, hope that someone can get it working right.

   Lasersaber at laserhacker.com has a 3-D printer. You can contact him on his forum, as well. 

       
       NickZ
 
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 27, 2014, 07:28:35 AM
After looking into 3D printing a bit I have decided maybe a DVD laserscribed just might be far better using Graphite Oxide coating.  This would be a super conductor surface and just might be better than gold for receiving the energy.  The disk would lend itself to the overall project as well.


WFT could a DVD disk be made to work?
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 27, 2014, 09:12:34 AM
As far as being better than gold, I would have to say no, as these aliens would know the best materials to use, and I don’t’ think it’s all about conductivity, as Basher did say that gold contains certain properties that enhance and increase the effects.
 
Regarding the disk, Bashar said the minimum thickness of the wire should be 0.39mm, I suspect this coating would be a lot thinner, of course you could make these so called flat wires wider to increase surface area, but in doing so you wouldn’t be able to fit as many wires in. I still like your way of thinking, it’s a very good idea, and if you already have it you should try it just to see if it does work.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: NickZ on January 29, 2014, 02:04:36 AM
  I thought that some of you may also find this older Bashar video concerning Crystals, pyramids, and healing, very interesting.  As I did...

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b7oCoyZCsw
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 29, 2014, 09:36:30 AM
Interesting video, so I wonder who will discover how to use crystal for communications.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 30, 2014, 06:41:29 AM

WFT,  if you have it assemblied please try to see if there is any connection from the disks to the hemispheres.  Try every type of energy you can, such as wind, heat, magnetics, battery, cold, etc..
You may think of other types as well.  Remember that the final collection may not be in the same form as you start with.  Magnetics may become static electricity for instance.


I am asking this due to seeing may devices that first have to be "primed" before they begin working. 


I am beginning to flow chart Bashar's description will side notes of his actual transcripts.  And also hope to find his other works to compare meanings from.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 30, 2014, 08:49:48 AM
Just a note:   to me looking at the transcript,  there are two insulating layers of crystal materials not one.  And Electromagnetic energies are the main force to attract.  I would place a magnet nearly touching each hemisphere with north pole towards one and the south pole near the other to attract (draw) those forces toward.  I believe though there is more electromagnetic charges than mere ferrous metals show.  So this suggestion may be premature.  Ed Leedskalins may have known how to separate these already and use them independently.  Hope beyond hope that you will discover the same things.  How you orient the device to the north/south poles just might have bearing to the successful outcome of these experiments.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 30, 2014, 08:56:16 AM
I’m still wiring the net at the moment, as the original one wasn’t a proper Fibonacci spiral, it had the same number of spirals on both sets, but my new one has 55/34, I’ve wired all the 55s and have just started the 34s, this will probably take a few days as the wires a very close together, then I still have to drill new crystal with the holes, after I have done this I will post the pictures whether it works or not.




Also I was thinking when Bashar said interwoven, did he say interwoven as a meaning of translation so we would understand the double spirals are combined, or is his spirals made that way, because if his are made that way then I’m thinking why, when they would have the technology to fuse it together or cut it out of a flat plate of gold which I’m sure they have an unlimited supply of.
So I’m thinking when something’s interwoven it has a up and down pattern like a EM waveform if that makes sense, so maybe It needs to have that waveform pattern so when the energy courses along the same route it gains energy. I know I’m probably thinking out of my arse…….. I stop thinking now.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on January 30, 2014, 05:18:28 PM
Interwoven:

v. in·ter·wove (-wōv′), in·ter·wo·ven (-wō′vən), inter·weav·ing, inter·weaves
v.tr.
1. To weave together.
2. To blend together; intermix.
v.intr.
To intertwine.   


Like a cloth.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: gauschor on January 31, 2014, 11:01:53 AM
Short offtopic: watched some Bashar videos and pleasantly surprised. I have not found a point yet where I'd say he's a scam. In fact, most of his explanations (e.g. universe, time etc.) make perfect sense (especially if you investigated these topics independently on your own). If he's fake then he's a good one. The presentations are definitely more worth the money than most cinema movies.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 31, 2014, 02:31:16 PM
And that’s the only reason I’m making this thing, because I believe he’s real.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: NickZ on January 31, 2014, 05:39:19 PM
  Since you are into crystals on this project, maybe, you can also read about the  "13 Crystal Sculls",  that Bashar talks about.   And what those crystal sculls were used for, and how they may be used again. 
And a bit about crystals in general, and what they can be used for.

   Also, the video about the tetrahedron power generator, using two conic and inverted wire coils inside of the pyramid, or tetrahedron structure. 
Although, not one person who has tried to replicate that device, has been able to obtain much success, or useful output,  yet, that I know of.
  He (Bashar) can't tell all, but gives hints for anyone to try to replicate what he mentions.

  There is a good reason for not disclosing all that there is to know about some subjects, as humanity may have destroyed itself at one time from the use of Crystal Power.

  It's good to take the time to listen to all of his videos.  30 years worth of knowledge and information of the various themes.
   No normal human could know as much as Bashar and his people do, especially of our previous unknown history. He mentions that the first pyramids were the most advanced.
Contrary to normal human development.
 
   How were the Great pyramid and mistery school temples built and lit up? As there was NO carbon or suet build up on the inside passages or walls.  How were the temple stones cut? Some of them are more than just huge, and were perfectly cut and moved many miles.  Think about it...
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on January 31, 2014, 09:36:22 PM
The reason no one has got the time space antenna to work is because it needs a certain frequency which no one has got right, and this frequency is the frequency of the template reality whatever frequency that is. Also one guy built it to small and another just connected to the mains.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on February 02, 2014, 05:03:58 AM
...

It is WFT's resources and time.  Let him decide what is best.  I have seen builders revise and learn through the years.  Many make discoveries and change the designs continuously until either they run out of ideas or succeed.

...


Wise words, Hope!
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 02, 2014, 05:30:57 PM
Here is my new wire net.
Had to order a drill bit as old one is now blunt, so waiting for that.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on February 03, 2014, 12:51:42 AM
WTF, that is one beautiful piece of work!

Don't forget to get 'at least four' of those inner wires touching that central copper rod...  ;-)
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 03, 2014, 08:02:05 AM
I won’t forget.  :)
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 04, 2014, 10:33:12 PM
Had to order a stand for dermal as drilling the 1mm holes with drill press is too slow, tried to drill them holding the dermal but after drilling 1 of the holes about a centimetre through the practice crystal I can see the hole would have been out of line with the rod. Depending how much damage is caused when the drill bit comes through the 6mm hole, if not a lot I might be able to fit 6 holes in, but I won’t know until I do the first hole.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on February 05, 2014, 04:50:21 AM
Had to order a stand for dermal as drilling the 1mm holes with drill press is too slow, tried to drill them holding the dermal but after drilling 1 of the holes about a centimetre through the practice crystal I can see the hole would have been out of line with the rod. Depending how much damage is caused when the drill bit comes through the 6mm hole, if not a lot I might be able to fit 6 holes in, but I won’t know until I do the first hole.

There's no particular reason you need such a small diameter. This will just make it very difficult. Why don't you go up to a 2 or 3mm drill? Bashar didn't ever say the wire had to fit the hole tightly, just that it had to penetrate.

This is your choice:
Tight, small hole = difficult
Loose, larger hole = easier

Seeing as Bashar doesn't specify either way, why not choose the easier way?
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 05, 2014, 09:06:22 AM
The smaller the hole the less damage there will be when the bit comes through the other side, also I might be able to fit more holes than 4 which could increase performance.
 
Bashar did say touch and penetrate, now I don’t know if he meant the wires should touch the outside of the crystal or that as the wire penetrates the crystal it should touch the sides or maybe both, but just in case I will do both.
 
When I drilled about a centimetre with the 1mm drill bit it seemed easy so I don’t foresee any problems, after all the drill bit must have been designed to drill that deep without snapping. 
 
When I do something I always like to do my best, I can’t expect anything else, it’s just the way I am unfortunately.
 
I have faith and lots of patients :)
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on February 05, 2014, 10:30:55 AM
...
 
When I do something I always like to do my best, I can’t expect anything else, it’s just the way I am unfortunately.
 
I have faith and lots of patients :)

- nothing unfortunate about that - an admirable quality. :-)

- Just like Mother Teressa!  ;-)
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 07, 2014, 08:54:55 PM
This is just my practice crystal, but I thought I show you the 1mm hole with the wire in, drilling the hole was very easy, took 4 drill bits though, pushing the wire in was a nightmare, just the slightest kink would stop it, that’s what you call touch & penetrate.
 
I should hopefully drill the proper crystal Monday, not got time before.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 09, 2014, 02:35:28 PM
I only managed to do 1 hole in my good crystal as out of a pack of 20 drill bits, only 7 were good, (thanks China) so disappointed, I should of finished this today. I’ve ordered 5 more packs as they are cheap, £4.50 for 20 drill bits, as you get about 2 holes per pack so I will definitely will have enough. I will only do 4 holes and not 8 now as I’ve had enough of these dodgy drill bits, its going to take about 2 -3 weeks to arrive from china so in the mean time I will get a dressing block and maybe I can do something the these dodgy bits.
 
On a positive note, I’ve found an easy way how to get the wire in the hole, just flatten it out in a vice and it just slips in.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: alan on February 10, 2014, 12:02:56 AM
Darryl Anka (born on October 12, 1951) started his Hollywood career as a special effects designer working on such films as Star Trek: The Motion Picture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Motion_Picture), I Robot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Robot_%28film%29), Pirates of the Caribbean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean), Live Free or Die Hard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Free_or_Die_Hard) and Iron Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man).[1]

Biggest bullshitter in town
If he really channels something, then it is a fallen angel/demon.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 10, 2014, 08:16:13 AM
Darryl Anka (born on October 12, 1951) started his Hollywood career as a special effects designer working on such films as Star Trek: The Motion Picture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Motion_Picture), I Robot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Robot_%28film%29), Pirates of the Caribbean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean), Live Free or Die Hard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Free_or_Die_Hard) and Iron Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man).[1]

Biggest bullshitter in town
If he really channels something, then it is a fallen angel/demon.



LOL


If he is a BSer don’t you think this device is a strange thing to imagine, as I thought I had a very wild imagination but I wouldn’t of thought of a device such as this?
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: alan on February 10, 2014, 12:32:09 PM

LOL


If he is a BSer don’t you think this device is a strange thing to imagine, as I thought I had a very wild imagination but I wouldn’t of thought of a device such as this?
If it is an alien, why won't he just land. Why has the "alien" an arabic name, the same name as like Assad?
Why are they so interested in religion and spirituality?
Imho it's a demon, which I know for a fact are real. :)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Ephesians 6:12
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 14, 2014, 08:27:00 PM
This is now complete, all the crystal wires are in contact with the rod, I have tested this with a meter and this device doesn’t work.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on February 16, 2014, 08:34:57 AM
The smaller the hole the less damage there will be when the bit comes through the other side, also I might be able to fit more holes than 4 which could increase performance.
 
Bashar did say touch and penetrate, now I don’t know if he meant the wires should touch the outside of the crystal or that as the wire penetrates the crystal it should touch the sides or maybe both, but just in case I will do both.
 
When I drilled about a centimetre with the 1mm drill bit it seemed easy so I don’t foresee any problems, after all the drill bit must have been designed to drill that deep without snapping. 
 
When I do something I always like to do my best, I can’t expect anything else, it’s just the way I am unfortunately.
 
I have faith and lots of patients :)


if you place a tight fitting wooden rod through the center while drilling it should re-enforce the crystal can keep damage to a minimum.  If that doesn't work maybe a substance that does not expand when it is frozen placed it the center hole and frozen will keep the crystal better intact.


I have gotten side lined on my break down of the words.   Looks like you don't need them. 


This Randy Mills energy demo to me is very important and I am not seeing any scam there.  Just a  lot of proofs and one heck of a lot of energy output.    WTF your last disk work is awesome.   Work has been demanding and I will be giving more time here as I can.
 
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on February 16, 2014, 08:48:17 AM
Bashar did state that the energy collected is of a yet unknown nature.  I really don't think any measurement device has been built to measure the output.  A little time and let your mind work on this project.  Your work looks great, revisions are normal in known sciences.  Expect that even more so in an unknown field.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on February 16, 2014, 11:46:01 PM
WTF, once again, very good work. And very important too.

It is a pity that it hasn't yet worked in its current form. But don't pack up quite yet. I've made a lot of gadgets in my time. My general rule of thumb for making any one-off device is 1/3 design, 1/3 build and 1/3 tuning. These proportions can vary wildly, of course.

You are at the tuning stage. I think you have got everything as right as is possible according to Bashar's instructions.

I can suggest the two areas to tweek would be whether or not the sharp copper axial rod should be touching, or just near the copper hemisphere bowls. Also, should the rim of the hemispheres be near or touching the spiral mesh? What we don't know it the required precision of these parameters, so play with these before reaching a definitive conclusion.

Considering precision, is the crystal ball exactly on the equator (the plane of the spiral mesh). Ironically, 'Bashar's definition of 'exactly' is not exactly clear! :-) Does he mean within 0.2mm, 0.5mm, or maybe 2mm? I think once you have exhausted playing with these final parameters and others you may notice, you can either pack it in, or try free-experimenting to your hearts content.

@Hope, It's true there could be many unknown phenomena produced by this device, but my reading is that it should be producing sparks along the lines of a Van der Graph HV generator. (Along with any other surprises!)
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on February 17, 2014, 01:33:55 AM
Personally I would try two things,  first change the dielectrics (thick clear plastic disks u use now) to thin wax papers or thin nylon flexible cutting board and flip one of the disks over.  The N region of a magnet is thin so I would try to make the disks close.  Secondly, equal and opposite reactions is why I would try the reverse disk.  If energy is flowing in one direction it is also flowing in the other. 


The close disks should be very centered unless the latitude and longitude of where your at matters.
If old Ed Leeds was working with this he might even align the copper pole north and south.  No one ever said how they should or should not be oriented.


If the wavelength of the sparks are very high then they will not be visible as in the extreme ultra violet range.


If all this fails to produce anything what would you think of a central disk of thin iron magnetized from the center edge and outer edge rotating (just spin by hand to check for output to hemispheres)  This is a way out there suggestion,  but who knows if Bashar gave us everything. 


Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 17, 2014, 09:22:56 AM
Bashar did say that the rod should be in contact with the hemispheres, but to make electrical contact I have to put a small amount of pressure on the hemispheres, maybe because the points are sharp so there’s not a lot of surface to make contact.
 
I have tried putting metal over the hemispheres to close the gap as to bring it closer, maybe not the same as having thinner insulating disks but I thought I might show something.
 
The crystal ball where the wires come out are exactly in the centre of the ball, I made a kind of jig for the drill to make sure the holes were in the correct positions, and where the wires come out is where the wire net is.
 
Hope
When you say flip one of the disks over, I take it you mean the wax paper discs, is there a difference with these papers to what side you have it? Aren’t they just paper.


Also I’m thinking how important the thickness of the insulating material is as he never mentioned the dimensions of it, but with the rest of the device he was very specific with the dimensions.
 
 
He also said if you get too close you would tap the energy, like to say you would be able to feel it.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 17, 2014, 12:00:50 PM
I think another problem could be the connection between the rod and wires because a little movement can disconnect them, I tried putting holes in the rod but it made the rod very weak.
At the moment I’m trying to make some kind of spring mechanism, but if you have some suggestions on this that would be helpful.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 17, 2014, 05:26:11 PM
I used the hot glue gun, so the wires are in good contact now, and being rubber its like a spring mechanism, but still not working.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 18, 2014, 07:58:36 AM
Another reason this might not work is because the wires that go in the crystal need to be curved to continue the spiral.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Uniqorn on February 18, 2014, 09:18:24 AM
Another reason this might not work is because the wires that go in the crystal need to be curved to continue the spiral.

Ooh, that would be harsh, if that were the case!

The total area of the hole in the middle is a very small percentage of the overall area (~2.7%)
I'm guessing that while the lack of curvature may play some part in that, it probably isn't critical, considering the accuracy of the rest of the device.
The center is already quite dense. To achieve this you would need to use tapered wires, otherwise they would bunch up and get in the way of each other.

I considered that a crystal ball cut into two hemispheres would allow this, but I'm not sure how important the continuity of the crystal material is.

Have you tried getting the rims of the hemisphere to touch the spiral mesh, all around? You could perhaps use aluminium foil to test this.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 18, 2014, 09:34:08 AM
I tried with thin copper sheet, but only went half way around, just to close the gap between the hemispheres, not tried with foil but that’s a good idea as I have enough to cover the whole hemisphere. But I’m thinking that since it has insulating discs, that they would be there so that the wire net doesn’t come into contact with the hemispheres.
 
Also with the curved wires inside the crystal, I was thinking that maybe since there are 2 spiral sets that maybe 2 wires would be from 1 set and the other 2 wires from the other set so the wires would cross inside the crystal as they do on the wire net.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on February 18, 2014, 10:05:59 AM
What I was thinking was your plastic clear insulating disk look very thick when compared to the null region (center) of a bar magnet.  My thoughts were to make it closer to that.


The null force (*that is moved by the natural occurrence of wavelengths all around us) may generate static charges while moving across the dielectric insulating disks.  So if one moved in the opposite spiral it may be logical that that charge would also be opposite of the other disks static charge.   
* Imagine wind blowing is the wavelengths and a sheet hanging (the null) in that wind is moving  due to the winds force.



Spira mirabilis disk flipped over.   
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 18, 2014, 02:45:08 PM
I tried the foil, but made no difference, but that’s not going to as good as thinner discs, I will make some discs out of 1.2mm thick card with a smaller rod and try that.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 18, 2014, 04:56:12 PM
This is with 1.2mm card as the insulator disc, this also never worked, but I never expected it to as I think the hemispheres are there only to make the received energy usable, it’s the wire net and crystal that picks the energy up and then sends it up the rod where the energy gets transmitted to the hemispheres, that’s why I think the insulator disc thickness isn’t that important.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on February 18, 2014, 05:33:16 PM
Glad you included that photo of the disk and crystal.  "As one wire"  I want to ask you if each wire passing thru the crystal should be made to be connected to 1/4 of the spiral ends? 


(off topic a bit but for information:  when a Rodin coil is made the wire does not even have to have a shellac coating to keep from shorting out)  Is your wire coated or bare?
BTY shellac is made of insect shell.

Having seen and repaired so very many circuits over the years, I ask myself what steers the charges and I can not understand how or what separates them.  In the end all I could think was that Bashar left out some "of course" items....."Of Course" means common circuit components.  Until we figure out what is missing we will trial and error through a slow learning process.  Steering germanium diodes?  Separation of the copper rod by the crystal?  IDK  but you have made the most difficult parts already and they look accomplished.


Recently I have read that animals know natural disasters are coming due to magnetic abnormalities.


[Supposition: (If magnetics attract the electrons as it passes the wire in a coil, and there is an opposite but equal reaction happening.  What does it repel,  protons?  Just possibility.  Then the repulsed flow of protons is cold electricity and does not flow restricted like electrons. This I can only venture to think and not know,  but atoms somehow keep moving.  I see things in this world move that are out of balance seeking to become balanced.)


The original action is a movement against a natural balance and has resistance.  The proton flow is the natural countering balance action and therefore is like the fall of a coil voltage.  It proceeds unimpeded (without resistance). ]

I believe that when a coil is grounded the only back emf is caused by the opposite flow (protons) having to make room for the new movement (returning the electrons), therefore it becomes resistive slightly due to the natural constant pressure caused by all matter in this pool we call the cosmos.
edited for clarity (I hope)
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 18, 2014, 06:38:40 PM
All the wires are bare copper, no coating.
 
I’ve tried connecting the copper wires at different lengths, even to the same length of the full diameter, I've even soldered the wires to the net. When I take the crystal out I always check to see if all the wires are still connecting to the rod, I check this before and after every time.
 
I still think that the problem could be that the wires should be curved inside the crystal as to follow the Fibonacci spiral, as I’m sure the crystal plays a critical role, but unfortunately I can’t cut the crystal in half as the diamond blades that fit a Dremel are to small and I’m not going to buy a saw just on a wild guess, I’ve tried to see if anyone local could cut the crystal in half but no luck, as carving the wire grooves would be easy.


Assuming Bashar isn’t a figment of Darryl’s imagination and is real, you could be right that components were left out, after all he is a first contact specialist, which does not make him an engineer, so maybe he doesn't understand his own technology, especially if he’s old, as old people aren’t normally very good with technology, there’s lots of people on our planet that don’t understand our own technology. 
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 19, 2014, 03:06:40 PM
Thought drilling more holes in the crystal might work, but it doesn't.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on February 20, 2014, 06:17:36 AM
Your talented WFT,  hope what ever your doing in the job market is something you can express these talents.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 20, 2014, 08:17:53 AM
Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on February 22, 2014, 02:51:40 AM
Sorry to get your name wrong on that last post WTF.   Your last photos did give me an idea on what may be a very efficient electric motor.   
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 22, 2014, 10:00:56 AM
Do you think you can make this motor, if so then at least something good will come from this.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: dieter on February 22, 2014, 11:37:36 AM
At least this is some great Artwork. BTW. Crystals that are ferroelectric, like Quartz, can only transfer a current at their axial 2 poles. that's for piezoelectricity as well as for other energies as well, I think.

Well, even Tesla thought he was instructed by extraterrestial supernatural entities. At least I've read that once upon.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on February 22, 2014, 04:08:34 PM
The ET's that instructed Tesla must have understood there own technology, still this device might not work in this dimension, but i'm sure it would work in the cartoon dimension.  ;D
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on April 06, 2014, 01:02:54 AM
Toon Town energy genset oh how funny WTF. 


I am checking back with you on your great project work.   I still believe there is something to be gained by working through the kinks.  I always felt like the wire needed to be one continuous piece,  I mean if we were to follow natures build of the sequence it is continuous so why not that device?
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: guruji on April 06, 2014, 09:46:39 AM
Hi WTF great work regards. It would be good to consult with Bashar himself maybe he will give you more info.
Thanks
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on April 06, 2014, 10:52:50 AM
Actually I haven't given up, since I've I last posted I've made another wire net and crystal, with the new one, the 89 set starts from node 6 and the 55 set starts from node 4. Of course it still don’t work but I have another plan, I’ve ordered a 60 amp adjustable power supply, so I’m going to power it up manually, one point at the rod and four points at the outer edges of the wire net, so the power should be distributed across all wires in this configuration, so that would be just over 400 ma per wire. I’m thinking by powering it up manually if this has any chance of working then I would get some effects, if I get nothing then I give up.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on April 06, 2014, 11:20:21 AM
Toon Town energy genset oh how funny WTF. 


I am checking back with you on your great project work.   I still believe there is something to be gained by working through the kinks.  I always felt like the wire needed to be one continuous piece,  I mean if we were to follow natures build of the sequence it is continuous so why not that device?


Since all the wires are in electrical contact, isn't this like a one piece wire?
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on April 08, 2014, 10:54:06 AM
The contacts are,   but the path is broken.  The example of a Rodin coil shows even uninsulated wire does not short out due to a continuous path and pattern.   Also,  is this device not suppose to be about magnetics and not electrical in nature?  My "Just an Opinion" is that the device is used to separate the magnetic charges in a monopole fashion to be collected in regions NOT connected physically with each other.  Then for the very first time (in a known fashion) we can use just one charge to do work.   My "opinion" is that Leedskalin knew this and DID it also.  It is so simple if it works that way, then of course a device built like this COULD have been made thousands of years ago to do many things we are still trying to do with antigravity today.   


But this is just as I see it. 


But for certain broken strands of many wires is NOT the least path of resistance for vortexed charges traveling in opposite directions to travel.


Newtons law states  "Equal and Opposite", I agree.   Your the wind beneath our wings WTF,  thank you.

Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on April 08, 2014, 11:24:03 AM
But Bashar did say each wire should be a separate wire.
 
I’m thinking that putting an electric current through the device could make a magnetic field as when you put a current through a coil it makes a magnetic field, and when you put a magnet near a coil it makes electric, so they are really the same thing.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on April 14, 2014, 05:54:21 AM
This device just might have the ability to receive different wave lengths of a great variety of signals.  It could very well be possible to use this as an antenna for radio waves just to tweet its responsiveness.  Not that in the end you use it as such.  But if indeed it makes a great radio wave antenna,  what other wavelengths will it concentrate?


If it does work well as a radio wave antenna its compact form may very well be a market edge you could engage to fund your development costs.

This app may help you with development, it is a magnetic field detector.

 Max Magnetic Field Detector - Android Apps on Google Play (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maxcom.magdetector)


Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on April 14, 2014, 03:32:57 PM
I just put 61.9 amps through it and nothing, no effects, not even slightly, the only thing that happen is the rod became warm, so this is where i give up.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on April 17, 2014, 03:51:25 AM
Please post your disk mask overlay artwork,  I just may give it a go WTF. 


Thank you for all your efforts,  tremendous work done by you.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: WTF on April 17, 2014, 04:47:55 PM
I have uploaded the template in Photoshop format and the full size JPEG, if you can’t download from this server, let me know and I upload it to another.
 
Remember that the size of this is 300mm so you need to keep the same dimensions, otherwise if you resize, the Fibonacci proportions will be incorrect.
 
I wish you good luck with this, but I can’t see how this can work as I have done exactly what’s in Bashar’s description, but it would be good if somehow you made this work.
 
I probably got more chance in winning the lottery and I don’t even do it. ;D

http://rapidgator.net/file/c101d920ad417ee7d9a1e570cd38008c/Fibonacci.rar.html
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 06, 2014, 02:40:12 PM
But Bashar did say each wire should be a separate wire.
 
I’m thinking that putting an electric current through the device could make a magnetic field as when you put a current through a coil it makes a magnetic field, and when you put a magnet near a coil it makes electric, so they are really the same thing.


With separate wire I understand that wire should have insulation. Now all wires connect each other at cross over points and electrically it is not a spiral anymore. Think about Teslas homopolar generator, it had spirals rotating in a magnetic field and potential was gained in each wire. Output was then taken from the center axis and from the outer edge of the disk.


Maybe if you just twist the wires a bit at cross over points so that they don't touch ? Would be easier to test than building a new spiral mesh using magnet wire.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: falecf44 on November 24, 2014, 05:40:00 AM
Wow, stumbled upon this thread after searching teleportation and vibrational properties of an object. I was looking to see if mainstream science had yet discovered that location is a property of an object. They haven't but early in this thread it was stated in that exact detail. I had heard that from Bashar and here I stumble upon a whole thread taking about some Bashar goodies!

I've read through the entire thread and am really impressed with what you guys have come up with so far, especially WTF. It seems as though you have been able to keep pretty much everything in proportion since you seem to have doubled the scale of the object. Am I correct there?

One thing that seems to stand out to me is where Bashar says the wire should be tightly woven. I notice that you did increase the number of wires quite a bit but the structure still seems to not be "tightly" woven. I realize that at the center it would be very tight and would get less tight towards the outer diameter in order to maintain the proper Fibonacci ratio. I'm not quite sure how this affects operation but I hypothesize that different weave tightnesses would collect different wavelengths of energies. Similar to how a Faraday cage blocks EM and other waves. The weave tightness, material and material thickness relate to the wavelengths blocked.

Idk exactly how one would weave the spiral as described but I do believe it is a critical factor. I've seen a couple replies where someone mentions a change and then says"well, its only x% difference". Well, if we alter all of these dimensions a few percent we are all of a sudden a large percent off from an ideal working unit.

My only suggestion for possibly making a better weave would be to make a jig on a CNC router. Essentially you would take your design (or preferably a tighter weave) and have the lines routed out slightly thicker than the wire diameter and about half as deep. You could then press the wires into the jig and weave them over and under each other to get your tight spiral weave.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Kalsum on March 26, 2015, 09:03:07 AM
Perhaps we should look at it in a different way. Bashar said that their ships traveled by changing the location variable of the vibrational equation of the entire ship. perhaps this is the means, lets ponder that idea. perhaps one would send a certain vibrational frequency through the spirals leading towards the top and bottom of the crystal sphere, then it would resonate along the spiral possible resonating anything in contact with the entire sphere, or it may create a "bubble of frequency with the size depending on the energy input of the vibration. Bashar encourages experimentation so it may just be part of the entire engine, just a theory to throw into the pool if you will. perhaps one could experiment by vibrating the spiral wires acoustically.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on June 13, 2015, 02:35:04 AM
Hey all,  this device can effect time even .   Stan Deyo's anti gravity explanation show a device like this somewhat  and the are two powers applied.   The spindle has high dc pulses and the sphere wires another    together they will allow a third field to develop between the supplied powers.    We just did not know how to initialize this device      Bashar just did not know and/or give this data.    I hope your device is safe and your able to work on it again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsagEYfxPgs




wow   you just may have a real chance at being first at OU with your fine efforts.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: NickZ on June 13, 2015, 03:08:10 AM
     Guys:
     Here (below) is Bashar's more recent discussion on spacecraft engine design, given about a month ago.  333.000 hertz,  a special frequency?
     
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmrGZJXGyk8

   Could there be a connection between the way these spacecrafts are built, resonating at 333khz, and our solid state Kapanadze/Akula/Ruslan type free energy devices?
   Yes?  No?   Maybe?
                                     NickZ
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft HOW TO INITIALIZE IT
Post by: Hope on June 13, 2015, 03:15:01 AM
Stan Deyo's discussion on antigravity show a device much like this one and how to power it up.   We just did not know enough to finish WTF.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsagEYfxPgs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsagEYfxPgs)


that new Bashar video doesnt seem to help with the details we needed  but the link above does.

Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: NickZ on June 13, 2015, 04:38:32 AM
  quote:
   "Stan Deyo's discussion on antigravity show a device much like this one and how to power it up.
                                                                                                                                            end quote.

   Are you referring to the round table top toy that needs the power of a welding machine to do anything?
   He said that he will not disclose the real deal due to "safety reasons".  Only showing supposed pictures of what the crafts look like.
 
     How many welding machines will it take to levitate a 30 foot craft?  Where will this energy come from in space?
   He mentions Tesla and Moray, as if his device has something to do with what they invented.  Does it?
   Some how Stan's discussion leaves something out. As always...
     
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on June 13, 2015, 04:19:38 PM
Simple answer is no welding machines needed.   He is showing how the reactive third field is generated from the other two charges.  So building a third field is a matter of waiting for it to gather as a reaction from the coil field and the pulsed DC center "nail" charge spins the first field capturing and compressing these charged waves.  The resultant charge between the coil and center shaft will be change state matter/plasma.  Did you watch the entire section Stan talked about using a fluid medium (cola) to show the standing wave reaction?   I do not think Bashar knows the ins and outs of this engine       I think he only sees its image at best.   That 333K Hz is not needed to "engage" the third reactant field,  it may be a tuning for seeing another dimension as he claims (4th D).  But our purpose is coarse as best at this time and is to attract the third field.   Deyo has another youtube on this anti-gravity discussion and it has more information that gives insights to using this device.   I will find and paste the link.


http://www.americanantigravity.com/files/articles/Stan-Deyo-Antigravity-2005.pdf


This pdf should contain most everything we will need to test WTF device.

Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: NickZ on June 13, 2015, 05:27:09 PM
   Bashar has mentioned that their crafts do not "travel" to get from point A to point B.  They are instantly relocated into the new location, in NO time.
The ships may not contain a normal propulsion system, like as in a plasma-drive engine.
  The 333khz is the frequency that is used by the ship to run, dematerialize, and re-materialize into the new dimension.  As they are multi-dimensional crafts,
and are not just a physical space ship,  "traveling" through physical space.
 
   Bashar can't spill all the beans about this, either, as it would be like giving a monkey a cell phone.  Most likely he is only mentioning some hints, of what we can understand, at this time, and is only allowed to disclose certain limited information.
   Like the information that is already being worked on and developed by the Black Space Programs, on their own back-engineered space crafts.
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzwOFCSFms4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzwOFCSFms4)

   quote:
  "Simple answer is no welding machines needed.   He is showing how the reactive third field is generated from the other two charges."

    He is not showing much of anything...  not even the small table top toy being connected and wired to a welding machine, and actually doing something.
 And, the actual input power source in order to obtain that "third frequency" comes from WHERE, on a real craft?
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on June 13, 2015, 11:29:47 PM
The third "field" is the result of the other two charges.   Bashar is not the owner of this technology,  he does not claim that and could not have a patent even in process on this space engine idea.    You might call the resultant field the standing wave though it's term will be new since it is a new form of mass/energy.  Like bottled null points able to absorb energy and open a new portal.   But of course we could just throw out all thoughts of applying the theory to see if we could get further on other known working at one time devices of the past.  Since we know our government has been totally honest with returning all the papers of Tesla and none were changed....oh wait,  we can trust them right?   This experiment looks like nickles and dimes compared to the Bashar unit.    And no we have no reason to be dissuaded especially by each other.   


Why not use a PMH as the outer coil?  How could Bashar claim anything wrong with that,  then old Ed Leeds would send his copyright lawyer I imagine.    LOL   when are we going to figure out the principles and drop the negative crap that does not get us there.  I call it skipping to the end.   Most people call it the "BUTS"      But it can not be done,  but it will not work,  but it will cost to much,  but there is no known energy of that sort, buts          Some call this butting       getting real,  others know we are on the fringe of our science and bridging to an unknown science is and has been a step of faith.    Without faith nothing is possible.  (except the accidents) So all the negative can'ts just slow the process.  That is why some major discoveries are accidentally discovered and other advances come from some one tinkering around at home.   They are just to naive to know it could not be done.   If your hanging on to the buts you might as well grab a IEEE license and engineer like the rest do. 


Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: ATOM1 on June 16, 2015, 11:55:33 PM
OK so this thing goes flying of into space hahahahah OK HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH Its been channelled and the real inventor is ???????? bervbn; v rev;ern erjhnbjtnbjntb hahahahahah I have to laugh because of the polite begging pitch salesman approach hahahahah The very first thing is give us money hahahahahhah and to honest its directed at empty minds that cant think...... I wonder why ?????????

But sometime mad ideas lead to good ones ! I also have a magic rod and have a cool way to sweet silver gold platinum from copper piping in an electric oven ... That is to say the so called impurities before the copper becomes pure ................................................

The other thing is harmonics resonance as all metals come from super nova they hold a natural EMF frequency ! And without digging to this nut jobs theory there is some logic to it ... But its a dead end for them if they think we are all going to buy into it........................

So if this thing is real or let us say it may open a new approach to a very long list of research that never got anywhere than these harmonic band of frequencies some how do all the work ahahahah Ok lets all play electric guitars inside a golden vase with a stupid stick in the centre of it and see what happens hahahahahahahhahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha

But I do have a magic rod it isolates the curvature of space at 2.2 degrees imperial and imperial measurements are all harmonics if you want them to be............. So you point the stick at a star and ???????????? a wave function sets up a super string and the gravity of the star pulls you in that direction wow hahaahhahahhahahhahahahahh ok so who is going to try it first ?????? hahahahhaahahahhaahhah Not me I am to grounded hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahha But If you buy my CD TV BLOW UP DOLE you would be doing me a big favour and than I can buy a the atk zxt1 super model hahahaha andwe can send the cdtv into space hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

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Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on June 19, 2015, 02:36:40 PM
Well I guess I will be working alone on this project,  at least I am in good company.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: NickZ on June 19, 2015, 03:56:50 PM
   Hope:
   Just what is it that you want to work on?  As there is not enough information, schematics, video build, or anything, to do something useful with the little information that Bashar has given.
                       Or is there?
   
   I am not looking to build a space ship, but an energy device that is self sustaining, instead. That can also produce a useable output. It does not have to fly anywhere.

   I feel that there can be a possible relation between the information for Bashar's type of engine design, and a self sustaining free energy device. As the extra input that provides for an engine to work may be similar in some ways to what it may take to make a self running generator produce it's own energy source.  As both need to extract any extra energy from the surrounding ambient.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on June 19, 2015, 05:32:37 PM
Using a method to spin (smoke ring like) an energy field to make it focused and minimize losses.  Energy passing through the center of this emf smoke ring may find the center of the smoke ring superconductive and eddy's will not travel away but be focused to spin and provide a shell that contains the losses to a high efficiency.  I have been looking at Tesla's stuff and to me he was the master of using lines of force by using some method to create a friction-less (so to speak) method of energy movement.


He could also do this with standing waves.   
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on June 19, 2015, 05:49:09 PM
It would stand to reason that any thing moving in a less restricted manor could travel faster.  Combining harmonics waves and standing wave back feed will give lines of force of any wavelength a path of lesser restriction.  There maybe a correlation between the gained speed and the energy mass.   Faster travel = more end force or kinetic energy for the same charge.   The harvest-able energy (sometimes called OU)  just maybe due to this gain.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: NickZ on June 19, 2015, 07:27:36 PM
  Bashar mentions, that the ship engine has a center core from top to bottom of the craft.  And that around that center core spins a toroidal shaped energy field, with amplifier systems attached to this central core, to augment the original field to a higher output level. The top and bottom of the craft are dome shapes, joined in the middle.
  That is the relative shape, and idea, to help visualize what is further needed. 
  So, a Bashar type of space craft (or generator device), should be build incorporating those physical properties, and ideas, to begin with.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: ATOM1 on June 20, 2015, 12:40:06 AM
The term unified field oscillator may help !

ATOM1
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: NickZ on June 21, 2015, 06:51:17 PM
  Sometimes I wonder if anything that we've been watching by NASA is real.  Any one it?
And why they keep the lies and coverup going. 
  So, WHAT then is really going on behind our backs.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5d7tXEVW9o
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: Hope on June 23, 2015, 08:16:49 PM
Work or don't work on any project,  but before I attempt any thing I have a basic belief in the principles involved.   So to me understanding promotes the energy to attempt a physical prototype.


The incomplete description Bashar delivers is only a picture of the device described from his understanding and interpretation.   His claims of a patent is only his claims  (like so many we have all heard here that prove to be unfounded).    Stan Deyo starts with claims of working in the 50's with the government.   I checked out his birthdate and my opinion is that he would have been at most 13 in 1959.    So Deyo does not impress me on his truthfulness.   But seeing Bruce's TPU and other devices using principles we do not fully understand does shows me that there is a working principle.   AND leads me to see that moving energy more efficient than straight wire will result in "mystery gains".   


We have wondered in the dark trying to see without a light.  All I wish to convey is the idea of "Lets work on understanding how could this energy come from a set of physical laws yet gain excess and unexplained energy".   


The energy is more efficient,  stays more focused would provide an answer without hocus pocus.   So even if you want mystery without a working principle how are you going to stumble on it?   Lets work on making energy move (be attracted toward) as close to unrestricted as possible.   Watching Stan Deyos anti gravity youtube has merit to me, but only because it shows a way and has proof it is a working concept.


Why not make energy a less restricted path using a spinning field to break the cohesive bond of molecules in front of the energy in movement so it does not have that barrier to overcome.    Can't make our IEEE buddies eat crow over that since it follows known physics.  I for one wish to skip to the end and leave all that drama behind.   Free and to all, open sourced.   The higher the rate of travel can be the more end force can be realized.    Nickz    thank you for your positive comments and true efforts to find something that works.    Funny word play,  chasing smoke rings but if it gets us there as a model to emulate so be it.
Title: Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
Post by: NickZ on June 25, 2015, 01:31:44 AM
  Here is a video that you might be interested in watching:
  Bob Lazar: 
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iezJY74GsX8