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Offline Hope

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« Reply #75 on: January 20, 2014, 08:58:51 AM »
Ahh there you go again putting down something you've never even tried.   Sounds simple enough.   Just need an 8 inch diameter rod of gold and a few other basic items.   That shouldn't be any problem .....   as long as you've got about a spare half million dollars for the gold rod.    ;D
Well maybe copper ....   Ummmm  NO ... copper has gotten stupid expensive too.   Oh well


Bashar is funny as heck to watch but I really think he's just a smart and hyper entertainer.
No problem    here,  what you can't conceive or believe just can be represented as a negative,  you are NOT always such.   I imagine it is just your mood at this time that prevails you from seeing any thoughts that are building and not negative.   I know your are trying to help here, yet your comments are seeming to dissuade the idea of quartz being of benefit or even some source of useful additions.   We are what many call brain storming Emadtoxic and will be happy to have positive and insightful comments.   How are you helping?   Yes.  I too am an IEEE and can name many processes,  yet that was not the common ground I wished to convey here.  What we need are people who can ADD to a positive and useful topic instead of being burdensome and derogatory in a way that leads people away from  building upon an idea.  If you can assist and seek solutions and answers then by all means please do.  Otherwise bugger off.   We all can click on your name and read your posts both positive and negative.  Others have tried to offer ideas and imagination here before with your comments,  some of these are positive and a fair amount are negative and have a subtle hint of finality.   If you can not increase this topic then why diminish it?   We are left to ponder your purpose. Please take some time an invest in our future instead of being kurt and less than helpful.  Spend the same amount of time doing research and adding to this topic, else why are you here?  Have a lifesaver and enjoy.
 
 

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Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
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« Reply #76 on: January 20, 2014, 09:10:44 AM »
So WTF  I see you trying and with your energy trying to build with great efforts.   Thank you for your belief in things not seen yet accepted as possible.  We have no clear picture of what part of real science is left out of our schoolings.  It is an honorable effort on your part to experiment with things not seen but believed in.   We following this topic seeing you as an person putting it all on the line to achieve something unknown at this time.  Hope we can ALL as well get behind you and make this happen.

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« Reply #77 on: January 21, 2014, 01:15:07 PM »
@Hope
 
Thank you.
 
I also think why the wire net would need to be in contact with the rod when quartz is conductive to some extent. You put electricity through quartz and its shape changes. Bashar probably meant penetrating as a metaphor. Also what you need to remember is back from 1995 when apparently this video came from, Bashar spoke more alien like, when he called people from the audience he used to point and say male………..female, that’s how he called people.
 

@Unigorn
 
Regarding the wire net, you said earlier that you think the wires should cross at every point to be electrical contact, I know the reason you said this is because only 4 wires need to touch the rod, but forgetting about the rod for one moment as at this point it doesn’t make a difference if its touching the rod or crystal as its still 4 wires only touching something. When I read this part -
 
“Then at the outer boundary of the net, allow each wire to remain as a single wire, do not curve them back upon themselves, allow their ends to be exposed in the centre of what you would call the sandwich.”
 
When he says allow each wire to remain a single wire that to me tells me that they must not come into contact with each other. Think of it this way if I had 2 wires and then soldered them together, wouldn’t they become one wire. As at the moment they have their own path to follow.
 
I know sometimes people can see things other people can’t see, and maybe you’re seeing things I can’t, but if you can please convince me they really should be in contact with each other, and why Basher has said they should be separated.

@Hope (and others)
The penetration Bashar speaks of is not a metaphor. To penetrate means to pass through a material, with an implication of some difficulty. And he states clearly that the WIRE must penetrate, not the current. Quartz is an excellent insulator, so expecting any voltage to get through is unlikely. Besides that, Bashar's track record is to always be explicit when he speaks of metaphors.

"then the gold woven spiral in the middle that touches and penetrates the crystal, to touch in this way at a few points, at least four, the golden rod penetrating through the crystal sphere"

Note the "and" between "touches and penetrates". This fits with some wires touching the crystal "and" some wires penetrating the crystal. Note also that the "golden rod" also penetrates the crystal. That is not metaphorical either. Beings that claim to be verging into the non-physical realm are unlikely to be using rotary drill bits to machine their gadgets. So the choice of the word "penetrate" is neutral, in that it leaves it up to the experimenter on how they choose to make the penetration.

@WTF
Your crystal sphere should be one inch in diameter, that is 25.4mm, probably plus or minus 2mm (my guess) I'm not sure where you got 2inches from (50.8mm).

"When he says allow each wire to remain a single wire that to me tells me that they must not come into contact with each other."
To be honest, I haven't a clue how you could interpret it this way. He would have explicitly made clear if they were not to come in contact with each other, which would require insulation.

The wire mesh is quoted as 'tightly interwoven' and 'woven', which are effectively the same. There is no mention anywhere of the wires being insulated, and in other talks, Bashar has always been explicit about insulation. Interwoven means it must cross over each other. Therefore a "Tightly interwoven", non insulated mesh of wires will constitute a wholly conductive mesh, albeit constrained in a geometrical Fibonacci spiral. "Tightly" means the wires will firmly contact each other to make a sure electrical contact.

As for the outer boundary wire ends, he says exposed single wires, which means he doesn't want a single long wire looped back on it self. So therefore, you have the outer wires in the correct arrangement.

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I'm simply going to the source. Most of the questions you are asking can be answered simply by reading the whole transcript, over and over until you understand Bashar's intentions to the last detail. You have the patience and wherewithal to make the device, so take the time to read the Bashar's plan. This will save you time and money.
Go back and have a look at my renderings - they are based exactly on what Bashar's transcript says, except the rim, which is my detail.



@Hope - thanks for sharing your story of the quartz in the truck bed - fascinating. Also, thanks for your encouragement for WTF.

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Re: Bashar's Spacecraft Engine
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« Reply #78 on: January 21, 2014, 03:05:26 PM »
You must remember my device is double the size to the one Bashar was talking about, so this would require a 50mm crystal.
 
You are right about the woven part saying 1 wire would be over and the other wire that crosses it would be under it, which happens in mine with the template in between, for the wires to cross and touch, both wires would have to be on top or underneath, which wouldn’t really be classed as interwoven, if all wires were meant to come in contact with each other it would be more logical to have them contact each other in the centre.

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« Reply #79 on: January 21, 2014, 03:32:18 PM »
"then the gold woven spiral in the middle that touches and penetrates the crystal, to touch in this way at a few points, at least four, the golden rod penetrating through the crystal sphere"

Note the "and" between "touches and penetrates". This fits with some wires touching the crystal "and" some wires penetrating the crystal. Note also that the "golden rod" also penetrates the crystal.

Thanks for this thorough explanation. Now I agree that in this context the word "penetrate" shall be understood as something that "goes through physically". Also makes sense in all cases when Bashar uses this wording.

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« Reply #80 on: January 21, 2014, 03:36:06 PM »
Thanks for this thorough explanation. Now I agree that in this context the word "penetrate" shall be understood as something that "goes through physically". Also makes sense in all cases when Bashar uses this wording.




Do you also think the wire net should make contact at every crossover point?

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« Reply #81 on: January 21, 2014, 03:55:17 PM »
Could I have other peoples options on the wire net contacting the rod and if the wires on the net should be in contact at every cross point. Thanks

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« Reply #82 on: January 21, 2014, 04:34:29 PM »
Just tried drilling the amethyst with a coated diamond drill bit 3mm, but being coated the diamond bits come off in a few seconds, even had a faint orange glow where I was drilling, I’ve search for a bonded diamond drill bit, but they seem to start at 5mm. sometimes they are called brazed or welded, if anyone knows where to get one preferably in the UK please let me know.
 
The reason not to do the hole to big is when you drill quartz you drill through both sides to stop the crystal breaking from the other side, even with the rod through it, some breakage will happen, so the bigger the drill bit the more the crystal will break, if it breaks to much then the 6mm hole the rod goes through won’t be a proper hole anymore, which can’t be good.




I’m also thinking if the wire is really meant to go through the crystal, I’m sure its meant to touch the sides, otherwise why go through the crystal and not over the top, so drilling a 5mm hole, the 0.56mm wire won’t touch the side to much, and the more crystal that is removed the less power would be available.

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« Reply #83 on: January 21, 2014, 05:15:57 PM »
Do you also think the wire net should make contact at every crossover point?

I am not so sure about that point unfortunately :-| Or if the whole wires shall be insulated or not. Although it would make sense if they were not insulated as you said - so it can touch the crystal. But what's the point of all these non-insulated wires if they all are connected to each other. It's like all of them being on the same niveau/potential. Or is this on purpose? Hmmm... let's hear some other opinions.

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« Reply #84 on: January 21, 2014, 05:35:30 PM »
Even though there not insulated, doesn’t mean they have to touch, but if they have to touch why not just in the centre, why every contact point?
 
At the moment I have one person’s opinion, with the wire net touching the rod and the wires of the wire net making contact with each other, that’s why I want other people to state their opinion on this, especially with the wire net, takes a long time to make it so I need to be like 95% sure before doing this, or at least if lots of other people think the same as uniquorn then maybe there’s something in it.


I wished I lived in LA, I would go to one of Bashar’s shows and ask him.

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« Reply #85 on: January 21, 2014, 05:40:09 PM »
I suppose if the wires were meant to touch at the cross over points the wires could share the same holes. Maybe if this were the case that Bashar’s wire net wouldn’t even use a template.




To be truly interwoven when the wires cross one must be over and the other must be under, so to be interwoven and in contact it would not be possible with a template, the only way for all wires to be in contact at every cross point would be to either have them both over or under at the same cross point which isn’t really classed as interwoven, or share the same hole, with the hole being at the cross point which is also not interwoven.


Edit: I don’t think it will make any difference if it shares the same hole or crosses over with both on top or both on the bottom as there both crossing and making contact.




What I could do if I have to drill the crystal with those 4 holes with a 5mm bit is put a 4.5mm thick copper wire in it so it touches the sides of the crystal and connect that to the net.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2014, 10:26:03 PM by WTF »

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« Reply #86 on: January 22, 2014, 01:28:00 AM »
You must remember my device is double the size to the one Bashar was talking about, so this would require a 50mm crystal.
 
You are right about the woven part saying 1 wire would be over and the other wire that crosses it would be under it, which happens in mine with the template in between, for the wires to cross and touch, both wires would have to be on top or underneath, which wouldn’t really be classed as interwoven, if all wires were meant to come in contact with each other it would be more logical to have them contact each other in the centre.

Sorry WTF, I hadn't noticed you had scaled it up! Guess I should read your posts more carefully, eh! ;-)

The mesh is indeed a challenging element to make. It may be that the interweaving is just a means of getting good electrical contact at the intersections.
With this in mind, it could mean that the double spiral pattern could be simply laser-cut from a copper sheet. That's a big maybe, though.
Another method might be to use a spiral pin-board, using the thinnest wire of 0.4mm (1/64"), to help in the fine manipulations required.

Also, I've noticed your mesh is a symmetrical double spiral. In nature, these spirals are asymmetrical. One spiral is a different angle from the other. I suspect that this may matter, and therefore recommend that you imitate natural spirals, as Bashar also indicates in the transcript.

I had a good link for this, but lost it in a bookmark manager crash. :-(    I'll see if I can find it for you, and will post it. It shows how to generate it on a spread sheet, then print it out, so you could use it as a template. I can print a series of these, and post them so you could use them.

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« Reply #87 on: January 22, 2014, 06:42:05 AM »
Lets keep an eye out for each other,  but also lets be effective.  Obviously,  Bashar's words are important and we need to keep someone on specifics.  But also,  we must be trying to understand more than any one part the whole principle.  Please each of you describe what each piece (best you can) is doing and why you feel that way.  If we are to use energy flowing all around us then we must agree on some mutual thoughts to how this can happen.


This is my feeling:    Let's say that we are a boat floating on a large river which is moving rapidly all around us.   We wish to use it's movement to obtain energy.  We will need more than a large paddle wheel mounted on our boat.   We need a "difference in potential" first.   So we need to anchor to some stationary non moving bank.  This way the water flows past our wheels.   Secondly,  we need the wheel to do work.  Thirdly,  we need to save that work.  And at last use that work (and convert it if need be to a usable form). 


So what is the nature of the flow needs to be understood.  I mean how can we collect water with a sieve or sand with a pitch fork? 


We assume it is static electricity all? What else does anyone think it could be?  Perhaps a negative flow from all this science we now use that doesn't even acknowledge there is another flow, such as an opposite and equal reaction?   I am hoping to make some definitive's here because thousands of ideas just plain use the scatter gun approach and hit a target once.  Yet miss that lucky shot the next 50 attempts.  If we can define the rules,  it will only take a minimum of efforts to make and remake working devices.


So please what kind of energy are we seeking to collect?


 

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« Reply #88 on: January 22, 2014, 09:56:23 AM »
You both have been very helpful, so thank you.
 
Regarding having different angle of one of the spirals, I know what you mean, when you look at sunflowers, but these are more random not just one of the overlaid spirals that are different, unless I hear this from Bashar I won’t change that ever, as these are 100% proper Fibonacci spirals.
 
But I have redesigned the template with the theory that when Bashar says touch & penetrate, he means the wire touches the sides of the crystal as it goes through, so a nice tight fitting for those 4 wires and not the wires touching the side of the crystal, though there’s no harm in doing so.
 
Now I have increased the centre hole by 5mm so now can use crystals between 50mm – 54mm, I have lost the first stitching around the centre hole but have managed to squeeze in 12 more wires, so I now have 60 in total instead of 48, which is now 12 degrees apart, in comparison the old template looks empty, hard to believe 12 more wires can make it look so crowded, this will increase surface area which can only be good.
 
I will wire this up with shared holes, this is where the wires will make contact.
 
I will use the amethyst as a practice crystal for the holes as if the holes are too big this could destroy the centre of it rendering it as useless.
 
See I’m now coming to your way of thinking Uniqorn (now you can have your sigh of relieve) but the template will remain symmetrical, that will never change without 100% evidence to back up your theory, remember nature isn’t perfect, it’s a representation of perfection. But the other things you have suggested do seem logical so I will try them.






Another way the wire net could be done is do 2 separate single spirals and then put them together, not what you call interwoven, but if there meant to be in contact with each other then would be easier.
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« Reply #89 on: January 22, 2014, 01:34:46 PM »
Looking forward to seeing the device any way you build it.   Do you have pictures showing the disks as they were made?  Do you have the hemispheres already?  Can you show all the parts and material used so we can get a parts list?






A bit of information on Quartz:



" Quartz is the low-temperature stable form of silicon dioxide or silica.Silicon and oxygen are the two most common elements in the Earth's crust.Quartz crystal is perhaps the most common mineral found on the face of the Earth. Sand and sandstone are considered “clastic” forms of quartz by mineralogists, meaning that they are formed of fragments of pre-existing rocks.


Although quartz makes up a large portion of the Earth's surface, there are only three places in the world that have enough high quality quartz crystal to warrant mining. These are Brazil, Madagascar, a small island off the coast of Africa, and Mt. Ida in the Ouachita Mountain range of Arkansas.


The remarkable geometric patterns quartz crystals form in nature have been the subject of scientific inquiry for centuries. In 1660, Renaissance Saint and scientist Nicolaus Steno conducted precise measurements of quartz crystal structures and found that regardless of their source, the angles between corresponding quartz crystal faces are constant. This became known as Steno’s Law of crystallography.


In the next century, the Abbé Haüy formulated the geometric law of crystallization. His work led to the modern definition of a crystal: any substance in which the molecules or atoms are arranged in a regular, ordered way in three dimensions.Crystals formed of the same mineral occur naturally in many different shapes, but all share specific internal structural characteristics.


There are believed to be seven shapes, or "systems" into which crystals can form. They include cubic, hexagonal, tetragonal, orthorhombic, monoclinic, and triclinic. Quartz manifests in hexagonal crystalline systems, commonly having the form of a six-sided prism terminating in a six-sided pyramid."


quoted from http://www.satyacenter.com/health-crystals-using-quartz-crystals?page=7

 

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