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Title: Parallel Core Generator
Post by: vineet_kiran on November 18, 2013, 06:34:08 AM
 
Eliminate lenz's forces using parallel core
Title: Re: Parallel Core Generator
Post by: d3x0r on November 18, 2013, 08:56:32 AM

Eliminate lenz's forces using parallel core
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromag.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromag.htm) uses pickup coils in that direction....
Title: Re: Parallel Core Generator
Post by: vineet_kiran on November 18, 2013, 09:51:00 AM
@d3x0r
 
 
Thanks for the link.  That (JLN) website is last updated in 1999.  Since then has anybody tried to build it?  Is it self sustaining as claimed in the website?  I think this is a very interesting principle but why he has used copper tube as core material and not magnetic material? (laminated iron core)
 
Regards
 
Vineet.K
Title: Re: Parallel Core Generator
Post by: broli on November 18, 2013, 10:06:40 AM
Try to work with a much longer solenoid than the length of your magnet. You will see interesting things happen.
Title: Re: Parallel Core Generator
Post by: gyulasun on November 18, 2013, 12:16:15 PM

Eliminate lenz's forces using parallel core

Hi Vineet,

You are banging on open doors... ;)

See these videos done by Bedini and especially the first one shows the same setup you propose with scope shot across the coil and he also says it is Lenz-less... He calles this kind of setup as zero force motor.

first video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpDMMcNQxc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpDMMcNQxc)

second video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TICXxP1jI4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TICXxP1jI4)

Unfortunately he has not returned to his motor setup since then (not yet on his new forum either) so the best you can do is to replicate. I do think that Lenz law manifests in the coil's ON time moments because a closed electrical circuit exists between the supply source and the coil but due to the orientation of the coil this effect is minimal (it could be checked easily by monitoring the input supply current to the motor when running and load the motor shaft mechanically). 

So yes, such design exists and I also think it is worth tinkering with.

One more thing,  I quote from your PDF file:
"If multi cores are used, the individual cores should not be joined to form a loop as in the case of a conventional generator since fluxes produced by individual cores cancel off with each other and you will not get any output power."
If you watch carefully the second video, then (unless I am mistaken) you can see several short coils wound on a toroidal former (not known yet if the toroidal former is only an air cored bobbin or it has short individual cores inside just under the short coils). Nevertheless, I agree with your statement, those cores should not be made to be a closed toroidal core shape.

Greetings, Gyula
Title: Re: Parallel Core Generator
Post by: gyulasun on November 18, 2013, 02:09:07 PM
Try to work with a much longer solenoid than the length of your magnet. You will see interesting things happen.

Hi Broli,

A question if you do not mind: if you make the long solenoid into the shape of  a toroidal coil (using wood or plastic ring as the holder of the wire turns), then do you know whether the interesting things can still happen? 
By the way, what are the interesting things happening in the case of the long solenoid?  Yes, I am curious...  8)

Thanks, Gyula
Title: Re: Parallel Core Generator
Post by: d3x0r on November 18, 2013, 02:38:33 PM
Try to work with a much longer solenoid than the length of your magnet. You will see interesting things happen.
My guess is that the pulse will only show at the start and end of the coil, and inbetween will be a net 0 as the electrons move in one way and then the other none.


So extending into a toroid is a net 0.  But you could spin any magnet inside a toroidal coil and see...
Title: Re: Parallel Core Generator
Post by: d3x0r on November 18, 2013, 03:45:31 PM
Yes tesla used similar coils...


http://www.google.com/patents/US381968 (http://www.google.com/patents/US381968)
Title: Re: Parallel Core Generator
Post by: vineet_kiran on November 18, 2013, 06:17:46 PM
 
 
@Gyulasun
 
 
Thanks for the nice videos.  Anyway let us not bang the open doors. Let somebody else enter the house straight away.
 
I had made one more design to avoid lenz's forces and posting it in a new thread (Single coil Generator).   Kindly have a look and share your thoughts on it.
 
 
Regards,
 
Vineet.K.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Parallel Core Generator
Post by: gyulasun on November 19, 2013, 04:59:17 PM
 
 
...  Anyway let us not bang the open doors. Let somebody else enter the house straight away.
 

Hi Vineet,

Although I meant "you are knocking on open doors",  I just do that: I share my views when at all I can or when it is appropiate, it does not fully depend on me.  Several 'big guns' just keep the door closed and might open it for money but even so you have to be very careful to get what you were promised to get...

Gyula
Title: Re: Parallel Core Generator
Post by: phoneboy on November 21, 2013, 02:09:11 AM
With regard to the naudin ref, isn't that center peak due to the field collapsing? If so, what if you had coils on each side of the magnet connected with diodes so they short circuit the induced current (low peaks) and only collected the field collapse.  Probably wouldn't slow down the motor that much??
Title: Re: Parallel Core Generator
Post by: d3x0r on November 21, 2013, 04:08:26 AM
With regard to the naudin ref, isn't that center peak due to the field collapsing? If so, what if you had coils on each side of the magnet connected with diodes so they short circuit the induced current (low peaks) and only collected the field collapse.  Probably wouldn't slow down the motor that much??


I think more the point is to note that there's a longer, less intense pull on both sides of the peek, so rather than having two symmetrical peeks you have a long low dip and a short up dip....
Title: Re: Parallel Core Generator
Post by: SeaMonkey on December 14, 2013, 09:04:47 PM
There may be a more effective way to
hopefully overcome the Lenz Effect in
electromagnetic dynamos.

Since conventional dynamos make use
of either rotating coils in a stationary
magnetic field or rotating magnets acting
upon stationary coils the Lenz Effect is
very pronounced.

If a dynamo was constructed with stationary
permanent magnets and stationary output
coils and a rotor assembly which simply diverts
the magnetic polarity to the coils in an
alternating fashion the Lenz Effect should be
greatly reduced or minimized.

How can such a device be constructed in order
to accomplish this?  And with what sort of
materials in order to avoid induced eddy current
losses?

It would be similar to the MEG in principle with
the exception that it would be mechanical and
would have "Motion" in the rotating magnetic
diverter assembly.

It should be possible with careful design and
fabrication to put together a device which
will output more electrical energy than that
which would be necessary to rotate the diverter.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Parallel Core Generator
Post by: forest on September 11, 2020, 01:39:47 PM
Yes SeaMonkey. It will work just fine.
Title: Re: Parallel Core Generator
Post by: bistander on September 11, 2020, 09:06:12 PM
Yes SeaMonkey. It will work just fine.

It takes nearly 7 years to reply to SeaMonkey!

In regards to SeaMonkey's idea, it sounds like a Lundell (claw rotor) alternator would fit the bill. I believe you can alter it to keep the field coil stationary thereby having only the iron (claw) rotor rotating. It'd require mechanical redesign obviously. Then I doubt it will yield desired results, but you never know what might develop out of the experiment.

Regards,
bi
Title: Re: Parallel Core Generator
Post by: forest on September 12, 2020, 08:13:58 PM
Figuera generator  ::)