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Offline romerouk

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2013, 12:32:02 AM »
This is how I did it and I believe it is what Luc did

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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2013, 01:12:21 AM »
This is how I did it and I believe it is what Luc did

Yes Romero, that is the correct schematic for the input side to the Induction motor.

The induction motor circuit is very difficult to tune if you have no prior experience with reactive power tuning. I would recommend people to start with the below test as you use the grid and a plug-in watts meter to first learn and you see results fast since I worked out most of this.

Start with a 25 watt 1k Ohm load on the secondary but no caps for now. Then start with about a 10uf Series cap on the primary and connect it to grid. Reduce or raise (if needed) the cap uf value until your power meter is at about 1 watt.  Then check your voltage on the 1K Ohm load and do the math. You should have more power out than in.

After that test, reduce your load resistor by 100 or 200 Ohms at a time and you will see you can add uf value to your primary and still stay at zero watts in. And If you raise the Ohms resistor your cap will need to be less to maintain zero watts.

You will find the ideal resistor and cap value which give you most watts out for zero watts in and you will find that each MOT is different.

After you get the hang of it try working with the below schematic and know it takes lots of time to tune to ideal levels.

All the best with your experiments and please share your results

Luc
« Last Edit: November 17, 2013, 07:22:21 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2013, 01:14:19 AM »
I think the attached drawing is closer to what Luc did.

In the video we can see that he is using one MOT for the motor
and one MOT for the generator output. At the mains he has
a "KillaWatt" meter and then a variable mains transformer.
I have omitted this in my drawing.

Luc, can you confirm that your setup is like in my drawing?

GL.

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Offline gotoluc

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2013, 01:22:13 AM »
I think the attached drawing is closer to what Luc did.

In the video we can see that he is using one MOT for the motor
and one MOT for the generator output. At the mains he has
a "KillaWatt" meter and then a variable mains transformer.
I have omitted this in my drawing.

Luc, can you confirm that your setup is like in my drawing?

GL.

Yes, also correct and thank you GL for helping out.

Please note that you can combine caps in parallel to obtain a certain value but like I wrote in my second post, that cap bank is connected in series with the coils.

Luc

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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2013, 01:25:22 AM »
Yes, also correct and thank you GL for helping out.

Please note that you can combine caps in parallel to obtain a certain value but like I wrote in my second post, that cap bank is connected in series with the coils.

Luc

Luc,

Thank you. Can you think of a circuit drawing for a solid state setup?

I was thinking of using a H-Bridge driven from 12VDC to a circuit that is tuned for reactive
power. Then to a output tuned for the same. Do you think something like this will work?

GL.

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2013, 01:52:21 AM »
Thanks RomeroUK and Groundloop for the schematics and info.   I had assumed that was how Luc is wiring things up but I really like schematics ;)   
gotoluc,  I'm sending you a PM with a document (or a link to it) that may be of interest to you in this study.   


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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2013, 02:36:00 AM »
Luc,

Thank you. Can you think of a circuit drawing for a solid state setup?

I was thinking of using a H-Bridge driven from 12VDC to a circuit that is tuned for reactive
power. Then to a output tuned for the same. Do you think something like this will work?

GL.

Hi GL,

as you know I do have an H-bridge but unfortunately it doesn't work!... I think because the H-Bridge is not like an output of an Inductor, so it cannot deal with the return current (to cancel Lenz) of a reactive circuit. So inverter and electronic switching components won't work. The only thing I can think of is those old Inverters that used a output transformer... it may work?  but I don't have one to try. Don't you have one that you designed and built a while back?

Luc

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« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2013, 04:05:35 AM »
Hi GL,

as you know I do have an H-bridge but unfortunately it doesn't work!... I think because the H-Bridge is not like an output of an Inductor, so it cannot deal with the return current (to cancel Lenz) of a reactive circuit. So inverter and electronic switching components won't work. The only thing I can think of is those old Inverters that used a output transformer... it may work?  but I don't have one to try. Don't you have one that you designed and built a while back?

Luc

Luc,

Yes, I still have the 40 Watt inverter that I did build. It uses a 1/2 H-Bridge (two mosfets) to switch
a toroidal transformer. I can get the same inductive output from a full H-Bridge by connecting a 1:1
transformer on the output. Will that work?

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« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2013, 04:23:27 AM »
Luc,

Yes, I still have the 40 Watt inverter that I did build. It uses a 1/2 H-Bridge (two mosfets) to switch
a toroidal transformer. I can get the same inductive output from a full H-Bridge by connecting a 1:1
transformer on the output. Will that work?

GL.

You're up late!

I don't know if it would but I just realized that I could also add a 1:1 transformer to my H-Bridge and it should come the the same as what you have.

I'll try it and report back

Luc

EDITED

Okay, I can see people are getting confused and are trying to replicate my demo video. Don't start with that!  as it's very difficult and was to prove that the circuit is not fooling the power meter and also to demonstrate it has potential of looping a generator.

Start with the below circuit and instructions for your first test


The induction motor circuit is very difficult to tune if you have no prior experience with reactive power tuning. I would recommend people to start with the below test as you use the grid and a plug-in watts meter to first learn and you see results fast since I worked out most of this.

Start with a 25 watt 1k Ohm load on the secondary but no caps for now. Then start with about a 10uf Series cap on the primary and connect it to grid. Reduce or raise (if needed) the cap uf value until your power meter is at about 1 watt.  Then check your voltage on the 1K Ohm load and do the math. You should have more power out than in.

After that test, reduce your load resistor by 100 or 200 Ohms at a time and you will see you can add uf value to your primary and still stay at zero watts in. And If you raise the Ohms resistor your cap will need to be less to maintain zero watts.

You will find the ideal resistor and cap value which give you most watts out for zero watts in and you will find that each MOT is different.

After you get the hang of it try working with the below schematic and know it takes lots of time to tune to ideal levels.

All the best with your experiments and please share your results

Luc
« Last Edit: November 17, 2013, 03:06:24 PM by gotoluc »

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2013, 06:24:13 AM »
You're up late!

I don't know if it would but I just realized that I could also add a 1:1 transformer to my H-Bridge and it should come the the same as what you have.

I'll try it and report back

Luc

Okay, the H-Bridge and Isolation transformer does not work :P .... if it would there should be next to no change in DC current to the H-Bridge when I connect or disconnect the reactive circuit side of the Isolation transformer. But that was not the case. It went up when connected so I did the P/I & P/O power calculations of the increase and it was under unity.

I think I know what the problem is. Since the circuit is capacitive and current 90 degrees ahead of the voltage. I can see on the scope the current is crossing the zero line (going in the opposite direction of voltage) half way of through the voltage on time, so since the voltage is still on for the other half of the on time the current cannot go back to the source because the mosfet is maybe blocking itl. Do you understand?

Do you think it's possible to make an H-Bridge that could handle such a situation?

Thanks for your help Alex

Luc
« Last Edit: November 17, 2013, 03:11:38 PM by gotoluc »

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2013, 08:18:56 AM »
@Luc

So a couple of questions.

1-why the need for a generator for the AC input?
2-What would be the difference in just useing grid AC supply?-pictured below

If no reflection is shown on the generator/motor when a load is applied,then the same should apply when grid conected.

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« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2013, 09:17:57 AM »
Gave it my best try but no go :P .... if it would of work there should be next to no change in DC current to the H-Bridge when I connect or disconnect the reactive circuit side of the Isolation transformer. But that was not the case. It went up when connected so I did the P/I & P/O power calculations of the increase and it was under unity.

I think I know what the problem is. Since the circuit is capacitive and current 90 degrees ahead of the voltage. I can see on the scope the current is crossing the zero line (going in the opposite direction of voltage) half way of through the voltage on time, so since the voltage is still on for the other half of the on time the current cannot go back to the source because the mosfet is maybe blocking itl. Do you understand?

Do you think it's possible to make an H-Bridge that could handle such a situation?

Thanks for your help Alex

Luc

Luc,

Thanks for taking time to test out the H-Bridge setup.

>>Do you understand?
Yes.

>>Do you think it's possible to make an H-Bridge that could handle such a situation?
I do not know right now. Must think about this for a while.

GL.

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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2013, 10:45:42 AM »
So i tried the pictured below,and simply changed the generator fo a MOT running of the main's.
No matter what cap/cap combination i used(1.2uf through to 200uf)i could not get the current/voltage phase to change??? The voltage/current phase would always remain the same as without the caps.However,the power draw went up on the input,and P/out went down at the same time.

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« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2013, 11:31:03 AM »
AT LEAST ! I tried to persuade people with bigger experience (and tools ) to confirm the very important factor. Actually it is all behind the whole thread about two transformers started by JackNoSkills some time ago.


Here is what I proposed to do : [size=78%]http://www.overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg372772/#msg372772[/size]


Actually gotoluc , you confirmed it in different way, but that also makes conclusions harder. I tend to disagree about the power returned back when current and voltage are 90 degrees out of phase, or rather - I agree that happen in primary but not in secondary.


My theory is quite crazy but I don't want to present it here as it naturally emerge from the results of proposed experiment with transformer and tank circuit. Please remember the book definition of transformer usage when evaluating results... ::) 


As I explained on energeticforum (my nickname on that forum is boguslaw) : reactive power is simply the resonance energy trying to escape and the only ways are via load and back to power source through the transmission lines.


Anyone willing to check ?

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2013, 11:45:56 AM »
Of course bulb could/should be replaced by stable (because it would heat up) resistance power resistor.

 

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