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Offline forest

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2013, 09:05:24 PM »
Use bulb instead of resistor and measure lumens. I'm sorry that my proposition is still not taken into consideration  :-X

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2013, 09:20:54 PM »
At everyone,

STOP POSTING I THINK THIS OR THAT. I have warned you in my first post not to do this.

I have been testing this for a long time and also (as written in my first posts) had Gyula who has much more knowledge then me try to find what I could be missing several weeks before I shared this information. Gyula could NOT find anything wrong in my tests. However, to be 100% sure I had to convert my gas engine generator to electric so I could be 100% sure before sharing this. The first test I did once converted was not the demo video!! ... it was the single MOT test I'm asking you all to do first. Forget about the video demo for now. Just follow my instructions using One MOT, One Cap, and One load Resistor and attached to the grid using a plug in power meter and tune till you get One watt in, that's all. There's a reason to keep it at One watt input and in time you will understand.

Only post when you have done this test and have come to fully understand how to reach Max Power output with 1 watt input. Then add a variac and see how higher or lower voltages affect the circuit and re-tune for max out.

I have already written that Reactive power is not easy to work with. Its affected by small changes in Frequency, voltage, capacitor and load resistor values and most of all by introducing  another Inductor in the circuit.

From now on I will only reply to posts that I can tell you have done the tests.

Luc

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2013, 09:36:34 PM »
Luc,

Yes it makes sense. But I will not mess around with the mains. We do not have the same mains
over here as you do. I also do not have any MOT or enough non-polarized capacitors to play with.
I'm hope it can be done with solid state because 12VDC is my preferred voltage to play with.

GL.

Well all I can say is how can you build something for something you have not seen working?... and mostly for reactive power!... it's not like working with regular electricity.

Don't you have 50hz 220vac grid?

Luc

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2013, 11:19:17 PM »

Quote:

" I had to convert my gas engine generator to electric..."




I take that to mean that this could possibly be attached to a politician...if so, wood this completely eliminate the heavy methane in the output ?


Seriously tho, thank you for generously sharing your research selflessly Luc...and a belated 52nd.

Regards...



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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2013, 12:05:12 AM »
Well I tried the basic circuit but lacking the exact high wattage resistor and much in the way of HV caps I was limited in my test to this:
One big A** MOT with two pair of heavy gauge inputs and one thin gauge pair (HV output)
a 53 Watt 5100 Ohm resistor in parallel with another high power resistor that gave me 3.37K Ohms.
a non electrolytic 5uf 400 volt cap.   
First test using heaviest pair of input wires

Watt meter showed 1.0 watts although it bounced down to 0.9 watt sometimes
Voltage across the resistor combo was 0.985 volts

I tried measuring the AC current directly with a fluke 77 inline but it seemed inconsistent reading 0.05 amps one time and 0.01 amps another. 

Second test across the other pair of heavy input wires:

Watt meter showed 0.0 watts with output across the 3.37K ohms resistance reading 37.2 Volts

Hmmm......


I'll try measuring AC current shortly.

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« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2013, 12:14:57 AM »
Also note resistance of both pairs on inputs on the MOT measured 0.5 Ohms.   
Now in measuring the AC current directly (not a clamp on meter) I put the Fluke 77 in between the output and the resistor.   That completely changed the reading on the Watt meter from 0.0 watts to 6.2 watts.   The AC current was bouncing around a lot between 0.764 Amps and 0.811 Amps.   I need to go back with another meter to see what voltage I have now but if it's still around 37 volts then it certainly appears to be getting more watts out than in.   
....   With a Fluke 87 III and Fluke 77 together one on voltage across the resistor and one in series with the output and resistor I can't seem to measure voltage or current.   Current was jumping all over the place and voltage was jumping around too but appeared to be in the millivolt range.   Not willing to put my scope across this yet but I do find the above numbers interesting.   Taking values in a worst case scenario it would seem I've got 6.2 watts in and about 28 watts out.   In another calculation I believe I've got 0.4 watts out with 0.0 watts input.   Both interesting....
Just want to add that all of the above are not taking into account some of the more complex measurements and calculations that may be needed in an AC circuit like this.   

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« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2013, 12:40:21 AM »
Well I tried the basic circuit but lacking the exact high wattage resistor and much in the way of HV caps I was limited in my test to this:
One big A** MOT with two pair of heavy gauge inputs and one thin gauge pair (HV output)
a 53 Watt 5100 Ohm resistor in parallel with another high power resistor that gave me 3.37K Ohms.
a non electrolytic 5uf 400 volt cap.   
First test using heaviest pair of input wires

Watt meter showed 1.0 watts although it bounced down to 0.9 watt sometimes
Voltage across the resistor combo was 0.985 volts

I tried measuring the AC current directly with a fluke 77 inline but it seemed inconsistent reading 0.05 amps one time and 0.01 amps another. 

Second test across the other pair of heavy input wires:

Watt meter showed 0.0 watts
Output across the resisatance showed 37.2 Volts

Hmmm......


I'll try measuring AC current shortly.

Okay, sounds like you are working on it.

You need to tell me what voltage and frequency your grid is if you want me to help you.

Luc

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2013, 12:48:27 AM »
Hi Luc,   I'm on 120VAC 60 Hz.    Thanks for any help here although I probably need to be done for tonight but will look at this more in the coming week.   


Go easy on GL.  ;)   I still think of playing with MOT's as similar to playing with loaded hair trigger guns.  I understand his concern as I'm not fond of MOT's either but for some things I'll take the risk.   

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2013, 01:02:27 AM »
Hi Luc,   I'm on 120VAC 60 Hz.    Thanks for any help here although I probably need to be done for tonight but will look at this more in the coming week.   


Go easy on GL.  ;)   I still think of playing with MOT's as similar to playing with loaded hair trigger guns.  I understand his concern as I'm not fond of MOT's either but for some things I'll take the risk.

Your cap is way too low!  you should be in the 30uf range

Luc

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2013, 01:18:21 AM »
I'll dig around but I don't think I've got much in high voltage caps in that range made for AC.   I think I might be able to put some eletrolytics back to back though.   I think that is supposed to work for something like this?   Two electrolytics + to - and - to + in parallel? 

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #55 on: November 18, 2013, 01:28:42 AM »
No.

Put them in series, back-to-back. i.e. -/+ -> +/-.

And remember they should be the same value, and the new value will be 1/2.

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #56 on: November 18, 2013, 01:30:36 AM »
Thanks poynt - never tried this but I recalled somewhere you could do something like that.   Back to back series it is ;)

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #57 on: November 18, 2013, 01:56:50 AM »
So as not to be deterred by anything resembling logic I decided to try another little test :)   Luc's basic circuit - watt meter -> to Cap in series with input on MOT.   But instead of a resistor on the output I put a bare fluorescent across the output of the MOT.   It glows bright while watt meter reads 0.0 watts input.   Fluorescent was stripped of all electronics and I think was a 40 watt incandescent equivalent output.   
I forgot to check until now the Power factor reading on that meter.   With this fluorescent in place of the resistor it is reading 1.0 Power factor.
I then checked with the resistor and it's also 1.0 PF. 

I know we've had fluorescent's running off almost nothing sometimes -- like the joule ringer but it's another fun little test to see what happens with this basic cap and transformer setup. 

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #58 on: November 18, 2013, 05:49:51 AM »
Gotoluc,i am your fan of gotoluc's youtube user.i like many your videos.

secret of Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over;

demo clip of gotoluc that shown,you can lower the watts to drive motor but just added capacitor in series to make shifting phase 90 degree but motor can run same rpm(2700-2800rpm).then the Usable Energy Left Over is from Capacitor.you have this for free and can run the load without consume more watts.

if you make Usable Energy Left Over more and more then you can make Motor-Generator Self-Looped.

when Gotoluc show Self-looped that will clear all naysayer.

thanks for Great information.
geenee

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« Reply #59 on: November 18, 2013, 07:48:27 AM »
Well all I can say is how can you build something for something you have not seen working?... and mostly for reactive power!... it's not like working with regular electricity.

Don't you have 50hz 220vac grid?

Luc

Luc,

Yes we have a 240VAC 50Hz mains grid. But we have two live wires and local ground.
We do not have distributed ground. Also I live in a rented apartment and the apartment is
connected to the house grid. On the input of THIS house grid there are are lightning
protection circuit AND a ground breaker circuit AND a power factor circuit. If I by accident
short circuit one of the live wires to ground, with as little as a few mA, then I will trip
the ground protection  breaker, and my landlord will be very pissed, sitting in the dark. So basically,
I'm not allowed to play with the mains AT all. That is the reason. The other reason is,  I want to
find out if it is possible to make a solid state version of your reactive power coil system. I do
not have to do your test because I have studied your video and I understand what effect
to look for in a LC circuit to get that LC circuit into a condition where the voltage and current
is 90 degrees out of phase. Hope you understand.

GL.

 

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