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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #135 on: December 11, 2013, 01:21:15 AM »
Hi Tim,
yes, Luc´s circuits are still a bit different with the drive motor and
generator.
Have again a look at Page 2 and 3 of this thread for all the circuit diagrams.

Well would be cool,
if Luc can still adress the last questions and give us more infos.

A still refreshing lecture about AC and Power factor is this, also in a nice Indian accent
(especially if you watch this in the HTML 5 player in
youtube with 1.5 or 2 times faster playback):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S22cJ_aF9M


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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #136 on: December 11, 2013, 02:16:04 AM »
Luc, I've not observed any effect which suggests OU. The circuit seems quite conventional.

It would be nice if you would share the details of your motor etc.  You did promise to share in the title, but haven't been very forthcoming with details, and I did notice that you'd ignored most of my questions.

Regards
Tim

Hi Tim,

I have shared what is needed to get the effect. I have also recommended a basic experiment to start with and wrote not to try to hook up an Induction motor like I did in my video.
I have also recommended a better load Resistor value many times and said a bulb is not good.
If you chose to change things and say it does not work, that's not my lack of sharing!

I will help (if needed) after I see you are following the recommendations.

Luc

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #137 on: December 11, 2013, 04:50:01 AM »
Hi Everyone;

I tried the basic test but not off the grid, I hooked up a MOT off of a battery operated inverter and found that the MOT was carrying an RF voltage, it tickles but don't bite,
any advice on how to get rid of the RF voltage off the MOT?  I didn't have the ground of the inverter hooked up to the MOT chassis, should I be using a 3 prong plug with the
ground plug hooked up to the MOT chasisis?  Would that make a difference since that inverter is only grounded to the battery and not to an actual ground?

Thanks for your advice.
Paul

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #138 on: December 11, 2013, 04:57:53 AM »
Hi Paul, what kind of inverter did you use ?

Is it  a switching PWM sine wave converter ?

If yes, you might still use a low pass filter before going into
LUC´s circuit.

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #139 on: December 11, 2013, 05:14:35 AM »
Hi Everyone;

I tried the basic test but not off the grid, I hooked up a MOT off of a battery operated inverter and found that the MOT was carrying an RF voltage, it tickles but don't bite,
any advice on how to get rid of the RF voltage off the MOT?  I didn't have the ground of the inverter hooked up to the MOT chassis, should I be using a 3 prong plug with the
ground plug hooked up to the MOT chasisis?  Would that make a difference since that inverter is only grounded to the battery and not to an actual ground?

Thanks for your advice.
Paul

Hi Paul,

I have already posted the circuit won't work with an Inverter.

At this time you need to test with a generator or grid

All the best

Luc

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #140 on: December 11, 2013, 06:27:19 AM »
Hi everyone,

I know that some of you are trying to replicate the circuit and effect. I also know it's not easy. I've been playing with this circuit for 2 years, so it took me a while to come to understand it.

Better to read all I wrote and take notes of what values I suggest, as the window for the ideal tuning spot is small.

To encourage you I made a video to demonstrate what the circuit can do on 240vac.

It also looks like (at this voltage) the transformer core could also be used to heat water.

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNUGGBI55Hc&feature=youtu.be

Below is the scope shot

All the best in your replication

Luc

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #141 on: December 11, 2013, 08:04:01 PM »
Hi Luc,
  I have a couple of questions about your latest vid...

1) Would you please explain in detail how your 'current probe' works.
 - I.e. is it (A) an actual current probe - with a sensing coil, or is it (B) measuring the voltage on the shunt resistor?
 - How does your 'scope show MilliAmps? (Most only show voltage.) How does that work?
 - How is it calibrated?

2) You seem to be multiplying probe readings from 2 different parts of the circuit(?) - as power used. Shouldn't the volts and amps be read at the same point in the circuit?

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #142 on: December 12, 2013, 04:05:41 AM »
Hi Luc.

This is what I see:

Going by the scope shot above, the scope is telling us that the positive portion of the MATH trace is 78W, and the negative portion is 82W. In this case the difference is 4W, which would be the total average power being dissipated by the transformer primary, the bulbs, and the CSR resistor.

So to summarize, 82W is going into the circuit, and 78W is returning, yielding a net 4W (or thereby) dissipated in the circuit components.

Question: Did you invert either of the channel traces on the scope?

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #143 on: December 12, 2013, 04:58:54 AM »
Hi Luc, well done,
but when I remember correctly I have learned at the university, that reactive current is also charged by the power company via the house grid wattmeter, as these meters are just mechanical meters measuring the absolute value of the current with its rotating Wattmeter disc. So lowering the current will get you more to a powerfactor of 1 ( where it is IN PHASE) and then you will pay less, cause then the current is also less and the Wattmeter disc is rotating slower....
Otherwise it does not make sense, that there are companies who sell these
voltage-current-phase-angle-corrector-devices  to lower your energy bills.

So please show the reading on your mechanical house wattmeter, when you have this circuit running.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #144 on: December 12, 2013, 05:27:22 AM »
Hi Luc,
did you put into the scope already the factor 10 factor for the shunt current ?
As your shunt was 0.1 Ohm and your scope displayed 328 mA is this
already the real value or must it still multiplied with factor 10 ?
How does your scope display mA and not Volts ? Can you set it this way ?

Okay, when you alreafy have the factor 10 put in there into the scope then you have
a pulsating power of around 80 Watts going in from the Grid and being fed back to the grid.

If your 10 Watts bulbs normally would use around 0.84 Amps at 12 Volts = 10 Watts
they would have about 14.3 Ohms resistance. but as they only are fed here with 5.11 Volts
they only deliver about 1.8 Watts each, if the bulb wire resistor is still 14.3 Ohms at the
lower
voltage, which is probably not correct, as the wire resistance change with heat... so
lets assume each bulb is consuming about 5 Watt, so you have around 25 Watts running there.

Unfortunately you did not show the case when you disconnected the light bulbs, but then you must run the
caps and transformer without the bulbs, as the bulbs resistance must be shorted to compare then the phase angles...

This probably would melt the transformer probably pretty fast, so don´t do it too long...
Anyway, your mechanical power meter at your house would probably still register around 80 Watts, so
you would still for it...

Now it is time to find a solution without the grid and with higher frequencies to make this effect usable...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #145 on: December 12, 2013, 05:37:04 AM »


Going by the scope shot above, the scope is telling us that the positive portion of the MATH trace is 78W, and the negative portion is 82W. In this case the difference is 4W, which would be the total average power being dissipated by the transformer primary, the bulbs, and the CSR resistor.

So to summarize, 82W is going into the circuit, and 78W is returning, yielding a net 4W (or thereby) dissipated in the circuit components.


poynt99,
you mixed it up !

The upper red math trace above the zero line is the consumption from the grid  , so 78 Watts is consumed and 82 Watts is returned to the Grid, so the circuit seems to produce still 4 Watts of overunity power from the viewpoint of the grid and pumps these 4 Watts  into the grid.

Therewhile the bulbs still produce around 10 to 25 Watts of real active ohmic heating light power and the transformer heats up from hysteresis losses , so the real heating  iron losses !

But still the power company charges you for using around 80 Watts via the mechanical grid power meter measuring the total abolsute current
value and not the complex mathematical value !
They measure, as if the same values of current and voltage would be in phase...

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #146 on: December 12, 2013, 06:27:07 AM »
Let's wait and see if Luc answers my question about inverting one of the scope channels before you jump to conclusions that I mixed it up.

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« Reply #147 on: December 12, 2013, 07:08:46 AM »
poynt99,
you mixed it up !

The upper red math trace above the zero line is the consumption from the grid  , so 78 Watts is consumed and 82 Watts is returned to the Grid, so the circuit seems to produce still 4 Watts of overunity power from the viewpoint of the grid and pumps these 4 Watts  into the grid.

Therewhile the bulbs still produce around 10 to 25 Watts of real active ohmic heating light power and the transformer heats up from hysteresis losses , so the real heating  iron losses !

But still the power company charges you for using around 80 Watts via the mechanical grid power meter measuring the total abolsute current
value and not the complex mathematical value !
They measure, as if the same values of current and voltage would be in phase...

Stefan,

I also agree with you, the upper part of the math is what is used and the lower part is what is returned.
The scope has the ability to set a probe for use as current or voltage. Multiply the current by 10 as CSR is 0.1 Ohm.

I don't agree with you on power factor!
A power factor of Zero cannot be charged and mostly by those old mechanical meters. I have one and the wheel stops turning even before I get to a 90 degrees phase shift.  Even smart meters cannot charge you for a power factor of zero. Anything above they can charge and the mechanical meters start turning when above a PF of 0.13 since they are set for an average PF of 0.87
Smart meters can measure PF form 1 to .01
A PF of 0.5 is the same charge as a PF of 1. A PF of 0.75 is more costly then a PF of 1, so this is where you want to make PF corrections.
A PF of 0.25 will be half the charge of PF of 0.5 and a PF of 0.00 is free of charge as it is considered wattless power and electrical engineers have been educated that you cannot get real power out of anything operating at a power factor of zero. Just ask Farmhand, he even posted that some pages back.

Here is what the expert Farmhand has posted on page 7 of this topic
It is best to try tune for a power factor of 1 not 0.0 a power factor of 0.0 means zero net power is supplied to the load and all reactive power is returned to the supply, none left for the load, so somewhere there is a mistake.

Cheers

From what I now know and have proven to myself and shared with you all is: the only mistake is to believe what they have been teaching in Universities around the world.

The very reason I built a generator turned by an electric motor is to test if a circuit operating on a PF of Zero will have an effect on the Generator prime mover (mini Grid equivalent).
My generator load test is the only one available on the internet which proves you can have a power factor of Zero, output over 20 Watts of Real Power and have Zero effect reflected back to the prime mover. Just that in itself is amazing since engineers like Farmhand an so on say it's impossible to do.

TO EVERYONE
Please note, I feel I have given much and all you need has been written, so I don't care if you don't believe this has value or not. I will stop wasting my time on forums and use it to develop the effect.

All the best in your research

Luc
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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #148 on: December 12, 2013, 07:11:09 AM »
Let's wait and see if Luc answers my question about inverting one of the scope channels before you jump to conclusions that I mixed it up.

Hi poynt,

no channel inverting was done

Luc

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Re: Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share
« Reply #149 on: December 12, 2013, 07:33:46 AM »
Hi Luc.

This is what I see:

Going by the scope shot above, the scope is telling us that the positive portion of the MATH trace is 78W, and the negative portion is 82W. In this case the difference is 4W, which would be the total average power being dissipated by the transformer primary, the bulbs, and the CSR resistor.

So to summarize, 82W is going into the circuit, and 78W is returning, yielding a net 4W (or thereby) dissipated in the circuit components.

Question: Did you invert either of the channel traces on the scope?


Hi Luc,


This is very interesting. Of course, here goes poynt99 (aka pointy-a_ _) with his irrelevant input. He always ONLY refers to scope shots because he's too narcissistic  to realize that there is OU present in the parts of the circuits that he refuses to examine, or can't examine because they haven't developed instruments (yet) that can measure OU, or he can't put a scope on it.  He's a staunch opponent of ALL over unity systems. 


So, poynt99, what you see is what you want to see ... and it is your wholly unqualified opinion ... that's all. Sorry Luc, but it's the poynt99's and TK's that hold back OU progress. They like to say that it is THEY that protect investors from getting scammed ... how noble of you two!

 

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