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Offline Khwartz

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Re: "Of the Very Nature Of Space, Time, Energy and Matter"
« Reply #60 on: November 17, 2013, 10:51:45 PM »
An this "something" is made of what?
I do not want to discuss metaphysics, but only physics.

If you are considering time and space as metaphysical and you predicate their existence on ontological belief or consentual agreement, then we have noting left to discuss.

If you meant that the same space and time can appear differently to different observers than we have a lot to discuss.
Wow! Sorry, I didn't see this one! Lol

So, good luck with your own paradigm, I have myself nothing to discuss either with someone who makes not the necessary effort to read my post in their entierty and not makes to effort to try to open his own mind to new concepts or views, like I will continue to do with yours.

Any way, I am near quoting yourself:

• ONLY IN THE POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE LAYS THE ENERGY;

will understand anyone who wants to ;)

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Re: "Of the Very Nature Of Space, Time, Energy and Matter"
« Reply #61 on: November 17, 2013, 11:01:35 PM »
See michelson-morley :)
Thanks d3x03 :) but I do know already, even the work done later by the french Maurice Allais and others, and I do not see in them a proof of MAGNETISM BENDING, only that COULD BE an EATHER having few LIKE FLUIDE PROPERTIES COULD exist.

So, if you see yourself the link in between, please show me dear d3x0r :)

See you soon, 3 times I try to stop! Lol ;)

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Re: "Of the Very Nature Of Space, Time, Energy and Matter"
« Reply #62 on: November 17, 2013, 11:07:16 PM »
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Re: "Of the Very Nature Of Space, Time, Energy and Matter"
« Reply #63 on: November 17, 2013, 11:35:44 PM »
The link before remebering http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilona_Staller "the outing" ! :-*
Hey guys,behaving like parlament-arians :P ,I do not play based by this hide&seek game anymore !
99% of the thermodynamic process is concluded, to discuss about the last 1% is:
RhabarbarrhabarbarRhabarbar !
Our earth has not a limited validation : this one % the over/-generation shall conclude !
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Re: "Of the Very Nature Of Space, Time, Energy and Matter"
« Reply #64 on: November 18, 2013, 10:50:52 AM »
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Re: "Of the Very Nature Of Space, Time, Energy and Matter"
« Reply #65 on: November 18, 2013, 11:41:29 AM »
So, good luck with your own paradigm, I have myself nothing to discuss either
It's not about "your paradigm" vs. "my paradigm" - it's about "physical" vs. "metaphysical" methodology of discussion.

I will not discuss metaphysics. I will discuss only induction or deduction from some axiomatic entities and principles based on logic and mechanistic processes.  That means: no virtual particles, intrinsic spins that don't really spin, no fields of forces that arise from nothing, no action at a distance and no ontological beliefs as basis for existence.

with someone who makes not the necessary effort to read my post in their entierty and not makes to effort to try to open his own mind to new concepts or views, like I will continue to do with yours.
But, I did read that post several times, because I had problems understanding it due to its grammatical structure.
I still don't fully understand the word "consideration" as used multiple times in the context of this post.  I suspect that is because it refers to ontological belief as the basis of existence. e.g. something comes into existence because it is merely considered by a sentient observer/considerer, a la "Cogito Ergo Est".

Any way, I am near quoting yourself:
• ONLY IN THE POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE LAYS THE ENERGY;
That's difficult to understand.  I think it is because of the unusual meaning of the verb "lays".
If "lays" means "defines" then I get its meaning, however that statement does not address the proper subject, because the topic of our discussion is the question:
"what are the basic ingredients of the physical universe?"
not
"what are the basic ingredients of energy?"

Anyway, you probably know, that I will immediately ask: What is this "potential" and how it came into existence?
If you chose to make a starting axiom out of this "potential", then I can be open minded about it and I will not ask you how it came into existence, but I will ask you what are its properties and how all other observable entities of the universe can be derived from it.

For example, the Bible states that in the beginning, there was God and everything (heavens & Earth) was without form and void and then God created light. So according to the Bible, the basic ingredients/axioms of universe are: God, formless void and maybe light.

If you want to state that the basic axiom or ingredient of the universe is "potential" then that is fine and I can be open minded about it and see where that takes us, as long as you do not state that potential exists only because we "consider it" as that would be make us humans an axiom and constitute metaphysics.

For the record, I claim that the basic ingredient of the universe is motion and it has two reciprocal aspects: space and time.

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Re: "Of the Very Nature Of Space, Time, Energy and Matter"
« Reply #66 on: November 18, 2013, 03:04:44 PM »
d3x0r,thank you for the #64 link !
verpies: cogito( Inf.:cogitare) ergo ...            sum,es,est sumos,estis,sunt


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here verpies who exagerated the Nobilitas with this pro- vocation:
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Re: "Of the Very Nature Of Space, Time, Energy and Matter"
« Reply #67 on: November 18, 2013, 08:24:10 PM »
http://resonance.is/news/quantum-weirdness-replaced-by-classical-fluid-dynamics/


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Re: "Of the Very Nature Of Space, Time, Energy and Matter"
« Reply #68 on: November 18, 2013, 11:30:40 PM »
There is an experiment to measure gravity between two similarly sized, uncharged, non-magnetic objects. 
As usual Mathis has a paper about this Cavendish experiment here.

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Re: "Of the Very Nature Of Space, Time, Energy and Matter"
« Reply #69 on: November 19, 2013, 09:47:10 AM »
Yes, but mathis is disproving G not the x/d^2... which is guess is what cavendish was about so was a bad way to approach that problem.  Would like to know other than the 'assumed behavior of surface fields' that the falloff isn't 1/D...


I started to iterate it by hand, but the recursive function got pretty messy... so made an iterator program that I could see... and there isn't a lot of difference between 1/d and 1/d^2 for acceleration... in the first case the step is bigger, but because the velocity increases sooner, the total steps are decreased... in the second case the force isn't applied as much, so it's slower to accerlate, so there's more frames at a longer distance ... so the curve really ends up approximately the same...  so if I curve fit in the trough of the curve, I'm not sure there's enough resolution to predict which acceleration was used...


White is position, red is velocity, blue is accerleration.  X is T, and Y is from 0 at top to 2000 going down


used a distance of 900... (2nd pic) when the distance is 1000... I got a curl... so I was going to add some sliders and make it
interactive.... and improve that curl... has something about the slope of the velocity at the time of intersection... makes a neat yin-yang tough :)


3rd is 1/(d*d)  * 2 (assuming similarly sized bodies, acceleration is 2x ...)
1st is 1/d  [size=78%]* 2 (assuming similarly sized bodies, acceleration is 2x ...)[/size]

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Re: "Of the Very Nature Of Space, Time, Energy and Matter"
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Re: "Of the Very Nature Of Space, Time, Energy and Matter"
« Reply #71 on: November 19, 2013, 12:51:35 PM »
co-incidence (incendium:flame):
http://www.overunity.de/1528/eru-elementar-resonanz-unit/msg32364/#new
It's in German language.
How is that relevant to this thread?

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Re: "Of the Very Nature Of Space, Time, Energy and Matter"
« Reply #72 on: November 19, 2013, 01:25:24 PM »
Would like to know other than the 'assumed behavior of surface fields' that the falloff isn't 1/D...

or 1/D^3 as it would be for magnetism....


...For circular orbits, Kepler's 3rd Law is also commonly represented as
4pi2 / T2 = G M / R 3


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauss's_law_for_gravity  Alright; besides being proven by application... here's a different perspective that arrives at the same conclusion;
so 1/d2 it is.

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Re: "Of the Very Nature Of Space, Time, Energy and Matter"
« Reply #73 on: November 19, 2013, 01:54:07 PM »
It's in German language.
How is that relevant to this thread?
Shall I see your question ??? as "not thread" 8) -related joke ::) ?! :D ;) :)
Sincerely
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p.s.: has your com-puter[(-e:(zusammen-)setzen,-stellen,-legen im Sinne des calculare/Zaehlens/rechnen somit zu differenzieren vom
ponere ( z.B. Deponie) und positare(Deposit),aber trotz allem thesaurierend(Thesaurus/Tesoro/Tresor/Treasure) ]
not a translation app/function ? make your own one

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Re: "Of the Very Nature Of Space, Time, Energy and Matter"
« Reply #74 on: November 20, 2013, 12:34:53 AM »
verpies: Nature of Space,Time,Energy and Matter
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                                         Questions more,verpies ?


                         About "Venus" lovetronics-/love-dynamics ? Glove net !


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p.s.: overunity.de tread translated :


 Hello dear community of researchers,

First of all, you know, that we are at our research with real and imaginary
States have to do.
So almost our mirror images. We can also be applied to the elementary!

Am now, come on to me, magic number 9, and each of their doubling!!!

Why?

10-01 is -9
20-02 is -18 sum -9

Calculating method:
01-10 is -9
02-20 is -18 sum -9

If we all now extrapolate to 100, resulting in time several decades with minus 9 and 9?
100 and there is then a jump to minus 18 and plus 18, that an amplitude increase, and strangely a time reduction!

Have here again a sketch for a decade reingestellt.

It would be great if there would be someone here in the forum, the one with Exel or another Prg. so 1000 figures according to this scheme could list, and could represent a sine wave.
Would be ideal, of course, if you could be with the whole movement in three dimensions.
If we could then look at two waves against each other, then I think we would see a pumping action?

As I said 10 to 01 is a mirror image. And as the number -9 comes out!

You can see on my sketch very closely, with a bit of imagination, as the positive wave, the negative empty sucked until they are symetrieren?, And only a numbers game?

Very mysterious to me!!!!!

The number 9, must have a background?

greeting LASSYLES


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Re: ERU Elemental Resonance Unit
«Reply # 167 on: 18 November 2013, 01:15:16 PM »
I once made a beginning with Excel, but only the beginning, there is still much to do.

The difficulty was to find a formula for the sum: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/505378/de

I have this extended for negative numbers.
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Re: ERU Elemental Resonance Unit
«Reply # 168 on: 18 November 2013, 17:29:06 PM »
Hello Peter,

great that you've taken the trouble you with the formula.

But the formula is a little something wrong.
It should read B-A.
But it does not matter, you have to exchange only the number with its mirror image.

My Zeichnug begins on the left with 01-10, and with an increase of 01 the curve moves to the right!.
It would be interesting if one toward the left side could further consider the curve!
If you then enter in Column A minus -0.9 -9.0 to get back on the sum +9
So just to let go minus 1.

Of course it begs the question? Where do we start?

I would start at 0.001 in all cases that we also get a Aulösung leftward

But I just noticed that the column A, 0.001 does not accept! That you certainly can easily change?
But then the sum formula must be modified.
Since it is then again maybe tricky. because -0.9 minus0-9, 0 = 8.1, since we have a comma in it.
There is again sum +9

Have it now so attached, as I imagine it. But since it comes from one go! Just as a pattern.

As you can see on my drawing, the positive part is lin quite narrow.
That would possibly be called, if we further resolve to the left, the positive area disappears?
Would be strange!!


But it may be that in this version of your old Exel file does not work properly, from the formulas etc.

Please tell me whether my Excel file works for you. Then I will enter to the file on.

Greeting LASSYLES, evening'm online

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Re: ERU Elemental Resonance Unit
«Reply # 169 on: 18 November 2013, 19:15:53 ​​PM »
Hello LASSYLES

Yes, the Excel file works for me.
You must enter a dot instead of a comma, ie 0.1 instead of 0.1

I'm still strictly in overtime mode for the employer.

If one examines the EXCEL formula for the sum, one can deduce how to generate the mirror image of a number. Just as a hint. Normally I could do that, but not right now.

The Excel formulas for mirroring, you must understand, are LEFT (...) LENGTH (...) PART (...)






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«Reply # 170 on: 18 November 2013, 23:37:42 PM »
Hello Peter,

have all now once resolved from 0,00001 to 200 bar.
Very strange structure when you make the file smaller.
We have a number of people and reflection subtracted, and get such a structure.
Absolutely incredible. Above all, it just goes with the magic number 9
What it has prudential with the number?
To me it looks as if the chart the movement between the real and the Spiegelweld?
We must continue to develop the chart. The level parameter may be the time when an applet is moving.
That would be interesting

The blue area decreases and the red area increases? Outwardly, it also looks funny.
Perhaps you would dissolve even more?

Greeting LASSYLES
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Re: ERU Elemental Resonance Unit
«Reply # 171 on: 19 November 2013, 17:10:47 PM »
The Nine comes out because there are only 9 numbers in principle and the zero does not contribute to Quärsumme.

"1" to reflect a "10" is arbitrarily used. 1 could also reflect as 1000 depending on how many zeros put it.
Infinitely many zeros before the 1 an infinite number would then result that starts with "1". Of these, then gently peel 1 and receive back an infinite number of 9s.

1 -> 9999999 '-> 9
2 -> 199999'8 -> 9
3 -> 299999'7 -> 9
4 -> 399999'6 -> 9
9 -> 899999'1 -> 9
10 -> 999999'0 -> 9
55 -> 54999'45 -> 9
99 -> 98999'01 -> 9
100 -> 9999'900 -> 9


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«Reply # 172 on: 19 November 2013, 20:43:32 PM »
Hello placebo,

have not mirrored 1_10, because that is not the mirror image, but 01_10, that's something else.
This has nothing to hang with any number of zeroes to do.
Fact is: it is only in conjunction with the number 9, and multiples of those!.
And why this structure comes out, see Excel file.

Since we have a uniform structure, and even in the middle of a symmetrical area.

Firstonce the reason you have to tell me.

And it will be shown here only opposites (mirror images) in the form of numbers. You do not necessarily represent numbers with this. Nature knows no numbers.

As written, we now have the data, now you should all pack into a three-dimensional graphics.
Better still a moving Aplett.

Had a bug in the Excel file, the small numbers were not indicated by the decimal point right here. Current file attached

Greeting LASSYLES
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«Reply # 173 on: 19 November 2013, 23:03:09 PM »
have here again the graphics reingestellt.

you can see quite clearly the mutually running structures, and auserhalb this area it looks anderst out. Strange?
In the middle we have a symmetry!
And right and left of the same 4 areas!!!!
Somehow this reminds me of Walter Russell's representations
Or run into each other since two waves?
And as an illustration, if you subtract Mirror image numbers from each other.
The blue area increases from left to right, and the red area increases from right to left!!!


Maybe our mirror image is also only in a certain area, and is limited?

Greeting LASSYLES

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