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Author Topic: HHo (Hydrogen) and Diesel Injection...The Truth  (Read 19724 times)

markdansie

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HHo (Hydrogen) and Diesel Injection...The Truth
« on: October 17, 2013, 09:20:15 AM »
Not everyone likes the truth, but I am sure many of you will find this an interesting read.


http://revolution-green.com/2013/10/17/hho-injection-diesels-truth/

Johan_1955

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Re: HHo (Hydrogen) and Diesel Injection...The Truth
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2013, 03:37:25 PM »

Hi Mark,


Thanks for starting this topic, only thinking its a to small place here on OU, for a combustion topic like this!


Did read: People here claiming to know all about combustion engine's, only not what Dwell is!


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Emulsified Fuels are what we use, this after a lot (10.000 hours) of testing, and checking with engine's apart!


The first start with emulsified-fuel, was of course strange and  very funny feeling in our head and stomach, feeding a engine with so much water!?


At the end our best idea ever, against CO2, Nox and our Fuel-Bill!


Big customers (the friends) are using it, like many Air-Plane lines, look such a engine's: http://www.emfuel.com/


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The combo of HHO and emulsified fuel, is 50% fuel reduction: http://www.youtube.com/user/OostromTechnicsSL[/font][/size]


Its so easy, only the world is so called studied and direct so chicken!


Grap a old engine and build & try, the only advise to come of that Sky (mmHigh) fear.


Welcome here!


Regards, Johan

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markdansie

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Re: HHo (Hydrogen) and Diesel Injection...The Truth
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2013, 05:04:13 AM »
Hi Johan,
Many thanks
I have seen first hand good results with emulsified fuels, they do work...in the range of 10% to 30% on oil burners.  In engines we could never do better than 5% but they did reduce NOx and EGT. To much water and you extinguish the flame.
I just posted here as i know there is a lot of mis information on the net regards HHO
I wanted to point out the volumes of data available that is real and scientifically obtained.
Kind Regards



Johan_1955

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Re: HHo (Hydrogen) and Diesel Injection...The Truth
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2013, 09:36:57 AM »
Hi Mark,


Forgive me for my English?


Water falls apart in H & O at 2000C, we only don't reach those temp's in a engine or Oil-Heating.


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Soap based on Lithium changes / lower this temp, to only 1000C, we pay 60 EURO Cents for a liter of this soap.


Finding proof of all Political not wanted working matter or device's, from UNI's are for sure very rare. They are payed by ............ , you will not find the us helping stuff.


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Just find, for example: "reinhard strey emulsified fuel", why is he sponsored by Soap maker "Henkel", working for a Uni and 4 patents on his personal name related to his Government Payed work, Germany?


Its simple, take a old Diesel-Engine, 75% Diesel, 1 % Lithium Soap, rest is water= 25% FUEL Reduction, almost 50% less CO2, 10-15 Less NoX, costs experiment a 1000 Euro?


A bit education, makes people believe in Religion called a Good Daddy, Politics!?


Look these guy's or google for others: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JREBz-Jhi1M


Big boots and plane's are using WorldWide massive a milky pre-mixed fuel!


More clear films where taken of YT, Mobile's, Phone or ADSL stopped working, now my 3 LinkedIn page why? The hole try to help mankind did cost us a real 500.000 EURO, only the small One-Paper-People as Uni-Product, are fixed in there ManMade-religion based on fear for losing there job.


Welcome here!


Kind Regards,
Johan


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Re: HHo (Hydrogen) and Diesel Injection...The Truth
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2013, 07:21:32 PM »
Johan
Thank you so very much for sharing this info.
can this Lithium soap be made at home[from lithium grease] or purchased somewhere?
 
Will this work with the home heating??
thank you for all you can share!!
 
Chet

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Re: HHo (Hydrogen) and Diesel Injection...The Truth
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2013, 12:15:42 AM »
From one of Johan links, an italian guy showing his HHO equipped car.
Now I do not speak Italian,  EDIT : Looks like he is just adding HHO, 70-30?


Does someone speak italian here? What is he claiming?


He has not one video, but multiple including scopeshots.


Unfortunatly not open source.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-7s0Tyq84s


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvr-J4zA3kE

http://www.youtube.com/user/lorenzoerrico/videos


Johan_1955

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Re: HHo (Hydrogen) and Diesel Injection...The Truth
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2013, 11:29:37 AM »
Johan
Thank you so very much for sharing this info.
can this Lithium soap be made at home[from lithium grease] or purchased somewhere?
 
Will this work with the home heating??
thank you for all you can share!!
 
Chet





Dear Ramset,


Use the info, its real and they are making clouds high, to high for natural clouds above us, only not with only water, think!


About the Soap:
Your right, soap and grease are Lithium or .......... based.
We did try a lot of different soap, the one I spoke about is just Supermarket for Dishes / Plates just out of the kitchen.
Also did have some contact with different manufactory, only then they smell dollars, makes a liter price less interesting!
Test and use the simple CHEAP soaps, the luxury soap with cream or other add-on's are getting baken or solid with temp in the injectors.


About heating:
We did test emulsified-fuel on 3 different brand of boiler / heating, Roca, Viesmann and Tifell.
All the 3 brands of simple blower driven oil-burners are not capable or reaching the wanted 1000C.
Later we did make 3 different tests / way's of a small Gas ad-on, and did manage the wanted savings on heating-device's.
First test with a small HHO-cel, Second test with a bit Propaan/Butaan, Third test with a small destillation column realizing gas from the used oil.
So in this way we did get it also working on these class of low-temp burner.


Only advise: Purchase a good flowmeter!


Questions; Ask!


Regards, Johan

Johan_1955

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Re: HHo (Hydrogen) and Diesel Injection...The Truth
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2013, 11:41:02 AM »
From one of Johan links, an italian guy showing his HHO equipped car.
Now I do not speak Italian,  EDIT : Looks like he is just adding HHO, 70-30?


Does someone speak italian here? What is he claiming?


He has not one video, but multiple including scopeshots.


Unfortunatly not open source.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-7s0Tyq84s


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvr-J4zA3kE

http://www.youtube.com/user/lorenzoerrico/videos




Dear Cherryman,


These are not mine Italian-links, adding on HHO beside the stupid electronics is not smart.


The electronics are not bringing any advantage in saving, only that we can't work on our own car's anymore!


The engine with electronics is not real giving more performance, only a bit cleaner in a stupid complicated way.


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HHO is great, when you also make the engine working on the 50% working vacuum cycle, to use the contraction.


Study Papp's first patent and forget about the special gas mix, is just atmospheric air, and read about WATER percentage.




Regards, Johan

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Re: HHo (Hydrogen) and Diesel Injection...The Truth
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2013, 06:25:06 PM »


Does someone speak italian here? What is he claiming?



http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/nissan/370z/17701/marangoni-370-z-hydro

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Verdict 4  The Marangoni Z-Hydro is designed for those who think a regular Nissan 370Z isn’t dramatic enough! With scissor doors, a well judged bodykit and gorgeous 20-inch alloy wheels allied to matt white paintwork, it really stands out. But the visual tweaks are a smokescreen for some genuinely interesting technology, which seeks to reduce harmful emissions and improve fuel economy. Marangoni’s claims are almost as dramatic as the Z-Hydro’s looks – and we can’t wait to see how the science behind it develops.



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Meet the stunning scissor-doored super-coupé that drinks fuel like a supermini!

This incredible machine is the Z-Hydro – a one-off show car that started life as a Nissan 370Z. Thanks to Italian tyre company Marangoni, and a host of its tuning partners, it’s now a 155mph eco warrior that does nearly 40mpg and emits only 148g/km of CO2. And Auto Express has driven it.

Regular readers might recall our last meeting with Rome-based Marangoni in Issue 1,046, when we drove the M430 – a modified Alfa Romeo MiTo. Like that car, the Z-Hydro is a very Italian affair. Its Lamborghini Countach-style doors, 20-inch alloys and dramatic bodykit are the work of Florence-based tuning firm TRC Italia, while Marangoni itself has supplied M Power blue-tinted tyres.

Other modifications include lowered suspension and Tar Ox brakes with composite discs, while inside there’s lots of blue leather and Alcantara suede. But the most interesting technology is hidden. Mounted behind the gaping front bumper is a clever piece of kit that splits water into oxygen and hydrogen, then injects the gas – oxyhydrogen – into the V6 engine’s air intake.

Marangoni’s co-development partners, TRC Italia, HydroMoving and Mariani Engineering, say the improved combustion process reduces harmful emissions, such as CO2, by 40 per cent. It also improves fuel economy by the same amount – but maintains the 3.7-litre car’s 322bhp. In the future, the Hydro kit could be tuned to deliver more power.

Sound too good to be true? Sceptics argue that the energy required to produce oxyhydrogen exceeds that recouped by burning it. Marangoni rejects this, claiming the process is so efficient that the car is as green as its remarkable figures suggest.

On the move, the changes to the suspension and wheels ensure that, apart from having a firmer ride, the Z-Hydro feels similar to a regular 370Z. The Hydro kit doesn’t affect the V6’s performance, and it offers muscular urge with lots of low-down torque, while those wide tyres only enhance the handling.

Marangoni plans to offer the Hydro system as a retro-fit kit for around £800, and is even looking at licensing it to major car makers. In the meantime, all the other components are available now – and many owners are sure to be tempted to give their 370Z a dose of extra visual excitement.
Rival: BMW Vision ED
brilliant EfficientDynamics concept combines a 1.5-litre diesel unit with two electric motors to deliver M3 pace with 99g/km emissions and 75mpg economy. The set-up will power BMWs of the future. 
Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/nissan/370z/17701/marangoni-370-z-hydro#ixzz2iBa8EzDC





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 * Price: £45,000 (est)
* Engine: 3.7-litre V6 petrol, 322bhp
* Transmission: Six-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
* 0-62mph: 5.3 seconds
* Top speed: 155mph
* Economy: 37.7mpg (claimed)
* CO2: 148g/km (claimed)
* Equipment: Scissor doors, TRC Italia-designed bodykit, blue Alcantara seats, 20-inch alloys
* On sale: Now
 

ramset

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Re: HHo (Hydrogen) and Diesel Injection...The Truth
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2013, 10:13:58 PM »
Johan
Thanks for the info,I will be researching the lithium additive and greatly appreciate your offer to answer questions.
 
have you played with the lithium in an electrolyte to see if the gasses can evolve with less input energy?
thx
Chet
 

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Re: HHo (Hydrogen) and Diesel Injection...The Truth
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2013, 11:11:20 PM »
Johan
All my Soaps are coming up Greasy ?
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=lithium+soaps&id=82EE2F19760E3BF4866268A78B04F4F27138C7A5&FORM=IQFRBA
 
Johan if you could give a link to this one
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Soap based on Lithium changes / lower this temp, to only 1000C, we pay 60 EURO Cents for a liter of this soap.
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I would greatly appreciate it!!
thx
Chet


Johan_1955

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Re: HHo (Hydrogen) and Diesel Injection...The Truth
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2013, 08:51:27 AM »
Johan
Thanks for the info,I will be researching the lithium additive and greatly appreciate your offer to answer questions.
 
have you played with the lithium in an electrolyte to see if the gasses can evolve with less input energy?
thx
Chet


Hi Chet,


Sorry for the delay, to much nice work for a old guy ;-))


Lithium contained water for electrolyze, we are not using, because the lithium makes the water >PH.
This Lithium/Water in a ColdFushion with a camber like AtomicHydrogen is great, AirMotor behind it!


Regards, Johan

Johan_1955

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Re: HHo (Hydrogen) and Diesel Injection...The Truth
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2013, 09:06:24 AM »
Johan
All my Soaps are coming up Greasy ?
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=lithium+soaps&id=82EE2F19760E3BF4866268A78B04F4F27138C7A5&FORM=IQFRBA
 
Johan if you could give a link to this one
Qoute
Soap based on Lithium changes / lower this temp, to only 1000C, we pay 60 EURO Cents for a liter of this soap.
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I would greatly appreciate it!!
thx
Chet


Hi Chet,


We don't have a direct link for the soap, we are purchasing it low profil at a big Supermarket in Spain!


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Like told: In the past we did have more than a bit contact with some different manufactories of soap, when they did hear for what we did use it, result: strange and very difficult behavior with a still non clear price setting, first they wanted to support there labor with a by us payed research, and a liter-price we did not get at the end!


Also experiences like that with a German-US company, in the past we did purchase lots of Peristaltic / dose-pumps, than our request for a different type for fuel use and delay and delay.


Will private mail you later a photo of a by us used Soap-Bottle!


Regards, Johan