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Author Topic: Large Ground Current using Single Terminal Oscillator - Tesla said its doable  (Read 11480 times)

Offline baroutologos

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Whoever have studied Tesla surely would have scratched his head when reading his Colorado Springs Notes of 16th of July 1899.

Tesla said that an one terminal oscillator (resembling a Tesla coil) can generate large currents in/out of the earth (at the ground node) by using fancy topologies and techniques that they are barely make sense in the eyes of a modern electrician.

Is that possible? Surely its weird though. What furthermore makes the issue more spicy is that devices as Kapanadze's, Leal & Barbosa and plenty of others all through their weird stated patents imply that a ground current is necessary in order the device to work.
Kapanadze measures a ground current of 20 amps or so!

Nevertheless from a practical point of view, IS IT doable to make a device of relative small dimensions to be able to oscillate via ONE wire such high amperage? (not another hidden one closing the circuit  - as Hoppy tends to find :) - )

Has anyone thought of that? Has anyone tried that? Observations, experiences, ideas for creating large one wire amperage  to ground in relation to Tesla's guidelines go here!

notes source: http://tesla.stumblers.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/335469-Nikola-Teslas-Colorado-Springs-Notes.pdf   - 86mb

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Offline Hoppy

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Whoever have studied Tesla surely would have scratched his head when reading his Colorado Springs Notes of 16th of July 1899.

Tesla said that an one terminal oscillator (resembling a Tesla coil) can generate large currents in/out of the earth (at the ground node) by using fancy topologies and techniques that they are barely make sense in the eyes of a modern electrician.

Is that possible? Surely its weird though. What furthermore makes the issue more spicy is that devices as Kapanadze's, Leal & Barbosa and plenty of others all through their weird stated patents imply that a ground current is necessary in order the device to work.
Kapanadze measures a ground current of 20 amps or so!

Nevertheless from a practical point of view, IS IT doable to make a device of relative small dimensions to be able to oscillate via ONE wire such high amperage? (not another hidden one closing the circuit  - as Hoppy tends to find :) - )

Has anyone thought of that? Has anyone tried that? Observations, experiences, ideas for creating large one wire amperage  to ground in relation to Tesla's guidelines go here!

notes source: http://tesla.stumblers.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/335469-Nikola-Teslas-Colorado-Springs-Notes.pdf   - 86mb

Perhaps doable if there is sufficient potential difference - much higher potential at the device end - otherwise I would say not.

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Perhaps doable if there is sufficient potential difference - much higher potential at the device end - otherwise I would say not.


Hello Hoppy,


You mentioned 2 key points that are "sufficient potential difference" and "much higher potential at the end of device".
What i think you have not given special consideration is the capacitative aspect of the single terminal oscillator. For a regular Tesla coil using a classic topload, in order to achieve heavy amperage the potentials must be enormous. (say 10-20 amps)

The weird part of those particular notes  as you would see (and have your head scratching time :) ) is that the one terminal capacitance can be heavily BOOSTED according Tesla sayings using... biffilars, capacitors, tubes even batteries! Whereas keeping voltages comparative low. That's what he says.. at least i understood that way.

Any second thoughts?

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Offline jbignes5

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 Lets do it this way. The only way to see if it is right is to do it. Test it out. Try it and see for yourself.


 Let me give you some more information. They are now Going through all of Tesla's experiments and are Experimenting again on these ideas. Seems we have been successful in rekindling the interest in Tesla's ideas and methods. They have a huge society that is rebuilding all of Tesla's work. It's a great day.....


 I will get all of the particulars and post it in the Tesla section soon.

Offline GeoFusion

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Hi all,

I was searching for many days on such topics but It seems it was here being discussed  on the forum!  ;D

Well let me share my new experiences.
I've managed to experiment with one terminal oscillator alot very recently besides everything els that I have and It seems very interesting.

If you see your mains, [L] and [N] , hot and cold, Using only somehow the [L] and with one rod in the ground and not to deep at first,
managed to turn small bulbs on, not so many amps, When I short the Ground and Phase I can see my total amps that it can deliver from ground!
lets say around 0.4 amps with clamp meter on the ground wire.

After that I though placing more separate grounds and with larger dimensions like plates, and have then horizontal 10 cm under earth.
I managed to place 4 of them and connected them in one knot with the copper pole.

Welllll ! ....  when I shorted the Hot wire and ground a whooping of 2.4 amps! alot of power coming out but wierd enough it doesn't effect the amps of mains  [L] and [N] but you will measure so many amps coming and I could Imagine placing more plates for more amps but have to be careful.
So short circuiting the L and ground cannot blow your fuse.

Managed to turn one a 100 watt bulb completely on. and a 500watt bulb 10% lit.

This reminds me when connecting a 60Watt bulb between tesla's ground wire end terminal and the actual ground wire it self with a iron pipe near water.

I have 127VAC here 60hz. the Hz stays the same. but everytime connecting a bulb or a machine, will make the voltage drop from 127Vac to around 80~70Vac, but the more plates you connect it raises your amps and maintains Voltage around 127~ or 110~Vac.

I was also trying to replicate some of barbosa's but I stumbled on this on, was very interesting.



So let me know what you thing guyz.  Any ideas can help to understand this and progress, Might be one of Kapanadze's techniques. Akula's and Ruslan when using ground.
No wonder a 20 amps coming from ground.
This can help to understand to use the ground to harvest energy.


Cheerz  ;)

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Offline Hoppy

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So let me know what you thing guyz.  Any ideas can help to understand this and progress, Might be one of Kapanadze's techniques. Akula's and Ruslan when using ground.
No wonder a 20 amps coming from ground.
This can help to understand to use the ground to harvest energy.


Cheerz  ;)

Hi Geo,

Yes, I think this could be the Kapanadze 'secret' and would explain why he has failed to convince any investor that his devices are practical and marketable because its simply stealing from the grid. He is basically just transforming a heavy ground current to a voltage level sufficient to drive his bank of lamps.

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   Geofusion:
   Good to see that you are still around.

   But, that does not explain how Akula can light several high amp 220v bulbs with NO ground connection. Or how Kapanadze's 100kw device can draw that much energy from the ground. So, I doubt that's what is happening with their devices.

  If a electric meter does not register the draw, it may still be stealing power, but, it's a loophole that we can use.  It would be the power companies problem, not ours. Plus, how would they know...
  I would have NO problem using that Earth ground wire connected to the hot meter connection, if it really works as stated. So, I hope that it's true.

  Geo, can you make a video showing what you have going on there???
  As well as a video showing your self runner, that you mentioned previously.
  I could really use your help with that.

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Offline Void

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Hi all,

I was searching for many days on such topics but It seems it was here being discussed  on the forum!  ;D

Well let me share my new experiences.
I've managed to experiment with one terminal oscillator alot very recently besides everything els that I have and It seems very interesting.

If you see your mains, [L] and [N] , hot and cold, Using only somehow the [L] and with one rod in the ground and not to deep at first,
managed to turn small bulbs on, not so many amps, When I short the Ground and Phase I can see my total amps that it can deliver from ground!
lets say around 0.4 amps with clamp meter on the ground wire.

After that I though placing more separate grounds and with larger dimensions like plates, and have then horizontal 10 cm under earth.
I managed to place 4 of them and connected them in one knot with the copper pole.

Welllll ! ....  when I shorted the Hot wire and ground a whooping of 2.4 amps! alot of power coming out but wierd enough it doesn't effect the amps of mains  [L] and [N] but you will measure so many amps coming and I could Imagine placing more plates for more amps but have to be careful.
So short circuiting the L and ground cannot blow your fuse.

Managed to turn one a 100 watt bulb completely on. and a 500watt bulb 10% lit.

This reminds me when connecting a 60Watt bulb between tesla's ground wire end terminal and the actual ground wire it self with a iron pipe near water.

I have 127VAC here 60hz. the Hz stays the same. but everytime connecting a bulb or a machine, will make the voltage drop from 127Vac to around 80~70Vac, but the more plates you connect it raises your amps and maintains Voltage around 127~ or 110~Vac.

I was also trying to replicate some of barbosa's but I stumbled on this on, was very interesting.

So let me know what you thing guyz.  Any ideas can help to understand this and progress, Might be one of Kapanadze's techniques. Akula's and Ruslan when using ground.
No wonder a 20 amps coming from ground.
This can help to understand to use the ground to harvest energy.

Cheerz  ;)

Hi GeoFusion. The Neutral N line in the mains supply is connected to earth ground right at a house or building. Therefore it is a given that you
will be able to draw power from the hot (Line) L wire from a mains outlet to an earth ground connection. The reason the voltage drops
is because the return path through the ground to your ground rod or ground plates has resistance and therefore drops the voltage.
This is all perfectly normal and expected. This of course has nothing to do with what is happening with tesla coils or radio antennas
which make use of an earth ground connection.
All the best...



Offline Leely

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Hi all,

I was searching for many days on such topics but It seems it was here being discussed  on the forum!  ;D

Well let me share my new experiences.
I've managed to experiment with one terminal oscillator alot very recently besides everything els that I have and It seems very interesting.

If you see your mains, [L] and [N] , hot and cold, Using only somehow the [L] and with one rod in the ground and not to deep at first,
managed to turn small bulbs on, not so many amps, When I short the Ground and Phase I can see my total amps that it can deliver from ground!
lets say around 0.4 amps with clamp meter on the ground wire.

After that I though placing more separate grounds and with larger dimensions like plates, and have then horizontal 10 cm under earth.
I managed to place 4 of them and connected them in one knot with the copper pole.

Welllll ! ....  when I shorted the Hot wire and ground a whooping of 2.4 amps! alot of power coming out but wierd enough it doesn't effect the amps of mains  [L] and [N] but you will measure so many amps coming and I could Imagine placing more plates for more amps but have to be careful.
So short circuiting the L and ground cannot blow your fuse.

Managed to turn one a 100 watt bulb completely on. and a 500watt bulb 10% lit.

This reminds me when connecting a 60Watt bulb between tesla's ground wire end terminal and the actual ground wire it self with a iron pipe near water.

I have 127VAC here 60hz. the Hz stays the same. but everytime connecting a bulb or a machine, will make the voltage drop from 127Vac to around 80~70Vac, but the more plates you connect it raises your amps and maintains Voltage around 127~ or 110~Vac.

I was also trying to replicate some of barbosa's but I stumbled on this on, was very interesting.



So let me know what you thing guyz.  Any ideas can help to understand this and progress, Might be one of Kapanadze's techniques. Akula's and Ruslan when using ground.
No wonder a 20 amps coming from ground.
This can help to understand to use the ground to harvest energy.


Cheerz  ;)
  I've noticed it when my house neutral was disconnected from the main board, and the incandescent bulbs were glowing a bit. I found out that the house neutral connection was somehow connected to the earthen.

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