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Author Topic: Building a self looping "SMOT"  (Read 296301 times)

elecar

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #510 on: November 06, 2013, 03:42:15 PM »
 QUOTE MEGGARMAN

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I may need to admit defeat with this project.
After completing my test track this evening, the best I could manage was 2 circuits of the ball by starting about 50mm up the ramp from the cross over point.
This is running the ball clockwise so that it enters the magnet array in the center.
After the first circuit it moves up the ramp about 25mm from the cross over.
After the second circuit, it only just manages to make it over the cross over, then finishes about 60mm before the cross over owing to a lack of ball momentum.
The 50mm point is perhaps a height difference from the cross over of about 1.5mm
I probably should post a picture of my test track + video.
Meggerman


Hi Meggerman, Amazing that you should consider admitting defeat after a couple of weeks. It took me many months of disappointment.

People honestly  make me laugh, you have said in your quote above "the best I could manage was 2 circuits of the ball"
Now think about that for a second. I will repeat what I have said previously. There is not 1 person on this forum, nor a video anywhere on the net of anyone ever completing a SINGLE CIRCUIT, and you are ready to quit ?
Ask them, "the know it alls" that is to show you one example of a smot that completes even one circuit. It has never been done to the best of my knowledge except by me and now by you.
You completed 2 circuits in a couple of weeks of experiments and now you are going to quit ?

I do not like using personal exchanges to prop my own arguments, so I hope you will forgive me for taking this quote from a PM you sent me. I feel it important since you failed to mention it in the above quoted post you made.
And please feel free to correct me if this is not the exact quote.

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"I can get it to loop twice in the anti-clockwise direction and without the magnet in place it will not even loop once with the ball at the same start point. If it could do 3 loops then I think I would be very close.!

Thats right no magnets no loops.

So adding the magnets you get loops ? Now go back and read what the Know it all have stated. "It will run worse with magnets than without"

I love it.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #511 on: November 06, 2013, 04:16:26 PM »

Unlike the real Newton, you are moron. And I shall treat you as such from now on since like so many of the other morons you lost respect by not giving it.



@elecar


What is so great in that video? (Reply #525).   You are bringing the ball against attractive force of the magnet and keeping it forcibly on the track storing energy in it.  Ball releases its energy by making limited oscillations on the track.   Where is your track which runs the ball for continuously for three hours?   If your intention is to post that 3 hour video after striking deal why did you start this thread with half information?

I don't mind you calling me a moron because except God all are morons. Nobody is totally knowledgible.  Even great Newton's theories were rectified / disproved by Einstein.

If I have caused any irritation to you please forgive me.   You have also caused lot of irritation for all by giving half information.

Anyway can we consider Nov 18 as the greatest day in history of science?

 

elecar

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #512 on: November 06, 2013, 04:27:59 PM »

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What is so great in that video? (Reply #525).   You are bringing the ball against attractive force of the magnet and keeping it forcibly on the track storing energy in it.  Ball releases its energy by making limited oscillations on the track.   Where is your track which runs the ball for continuously for three hours?   If your intention is to post that 3 hour video after striking deal why did you start this thread with half information?

I don't mind you calling me a moron because except God all are morons. Nobody is totally knowledgible.  Even great Newton's theories were rectified / disproved by Einstein.

If I have caused any irritation to you please forgive me.   You have also caused lot of irritation for all by giving half information.

Anyway can we consider Nov 18 as the greatest day in history of science?

There is nothing "great" about the video Newton, I was asked to re do the video because it was felt I had pushed the ball. So there is your answer, nothing "great" just fulfilling a promise I had made to a member.

My prototype is currently in the hands of those who I am dealing with. I have a meeting on the 18th of November, I have never stated it will be the "greatest day in the history of science"

I have also NEVER stated I will be showing any 3 hour videos of it running. You should track back and you will see it was TK that used the 3 hour quote to somehow have an expectation of me to take and disclose a 3 video. Well how disappointing for you that is never going to happen. Of course you could show me where I said that would be what I was going to do, then I would feel compelled to have to. 

There is no half information on the thread Newton, there was sufficient information for replications. Of course most know it alls are too busy trying to debunk it than to bother trying.

TinselKoala

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #513 on: November 06, 2013, 04:49:01 PM »
Just as I predicted: the insults and special pleadings fly perpetually, but NO EVIDENCE supporting elecar's claims has been or will ever be presented.

Elecar's little video actually demolishes his case. Look at it carefully. You can see clearly that he places the ball ABOVE the entrance to the ramp arrangement, and that he flicks the ball to the right into the system with his fingers as he releases the ball. The ball enters the ramp with excess velocity, goes around one full turn, then stutters to a stop at the sticky point and NEVER regains the height of its initial release. There is no self-looping shown and the energy for what IS shown is clearly coming from elecar's hand.

And further, elecar is claiming that I have "minions". His paranoia is showing, in the most comical way possible. I don't have "minions", elecar, but what I do have, on this forum, is a lot of ENEMIES, people who can't stand to see me comment.... but who have never even once been able to refute anything I've said. This pisses them off and makes them insult me and anyone who appears to agree with me.... and frustrates them so much that they start stomping their feet and holding their breath. But what they cannot do is to provide evidence for their claims.







TinselKoala

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #514 on: November 06, 2013, 04:53:20 PM »

Hi Bill yes I am still around, I have posted the retake video for you and Gyula. I hope it shows clearly that I did not push the ball which lets face it was the general accusation.
None of the videos have been taken down Bill. Which do you require a link to ?

You hope in vain, elecar, because the video clearly shows you placing the ball on the track, then PULLING IT BACK TO THE LEFT (pinball plunger spring), and then you FLICK IT TO THE RIGHT, and it never ever regains the initial height of your flicking release.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #515 on: November 06, 2013, 05:16:38 PM »

Hi Gyula,
            Yes I really do have a working prototype. It runs for as long as I am able to stand the noise. I tried running more than 1 ball but sometimes they catch up to each other and cause a complete stop.



Hi Bill,
          I have to be honest I have never timed the runs, I can tell you that I did leave one test running whilst we went shopping and returned over 3 hours later and it was still running.



If you just want to see my model running you should visit the thread in the future when I will post a video, I promised on another thread I would do that and I will post that video in the near future.


If not a 3 hr video,  can you  atleast show the ball making 15 to 20 cycles without your hand touching it ?



TinselKoala

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #516 on: November 06, 2013, 05:41:24 PM »
(sound of crickets chirping)

Of course he cannot, NewtonII. He can't even show it going around TWICE, much less 10 or 15 times, even when he loads the "spring" by pulling the ball to the left against the pull of the magnets, and then actually pushes it into the track system with a quick finger flick as he does in the video.

Just in case he decides to remove the video evidence of his fail, here it is again:

elecar

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #517 on: November 06, 2013, 05:43:04 PM »
Just as I predicted: the insults and special pleadings fly perpetually, but NO EVIDENCE supporting elecar's claims has been or will ever be presented.

Elecar's little video actually demolishes his case. Look at it carefully. You can see clearly that he places the ball ABOVE the entrance to the ramp arrangement, and that he flicks the ball to the right into the system with his fingers as he releases the ball. The ball enters the ramp with excess velocity, goes around one full turn, then stutters to a stop at the sticky point and NEVER regains the height of its initial release. There is no self-looping shown and the energy for what IS shown is clearly coming from elecar's hand.

And further, elecar is claiming that I have "minions". His paranoia is showing, in the most comical way possible. I don't have "minions", elecar, but what I do have, on this forum, is a lot of ENEMIES, people who can't stand to see me comment.... but who have never even once been able to refute anything I've said. This pisses them off and makes them insult me and anyone who appears to agree with me.... and frustrates them so much that they start stomping their feet and holding their breath. But what they cannot do is to provide evidence for their claims.

He labels his screen shots "elecarfake" and gets hurt that I call him a moron and many other things beside.

There are no "FLICKS" of the ball in the video, it was purely taken at the request of a member.

You are wrong TK people do not hate you for posting, it is the manner in which you post. You are entitled to your opinion but when you become disrespectful which is your standard MO you get people backs up.


THIS OFFER IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO TK, COME TO ENGLAND AND WATCH THE BALL SELF LOOP WITH YOUR OWN 2 EYES. YOU WILL BE FREE TO DISASSEMBLE THE SMOT TO ENSURE THERE ARE NO TRICKS, CONS OR SCAMS. IN FACT YOU CAN KEEP IT IN YOUR HOTEL ROOM YOUR WHOLE STAY.

IF THERE IS ANY TRICKERY OR DECEPTION I WILL REIMBURSE TKs AIR FARE AND HE CAN COME ON TO THE FORUM AND EXPOSE ME AS A CHEAT, LIAR, CON, SCAMMER. AND YOU RESUME YOUR PLACE AS KING OF THE FORUM KNOW IT ALLS.

HOWEVER IF AFTER HE HAS WATCHED THE SMOT LOOP FOR 3 HOURS AND BEEN ALLOWED TO TAKE IT APART TO LOOK FOR CHEATS HE COMES TO THE CONCLUSION IT WORKS AS I HAVE STATED.

THEN HE MUST COME ON THE FORUM JUST 1 FINAL TIME TO LET HIS FANS KNOW I WAS TELLING THE TRUTH AND HE MUST APOLOGIZE TO ME AND HE MUST ADMIT HE IS A BULLY AND A KNOW IT ALL.

HE MUST THEN NEVER COME ON THIS OR ANY OTHER FORUM THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH OVER UNITY OR FREE ENERGY.

What do you say TK ? You coming ? 

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #518 on: November 06, 2013, 05:48:05 PM »
(sound of crickets chirping)

Of course he cannot, NewtonII. He can't even show it going around TWICE, much less 10 or 15 times, even when he loads the "spring" by pulling the ball to the left against the pull of the magnets, and then actually pushes it into the track system with a quick finger flick as he does in the video.

Just in case he decides to remove the video evidence of his fail, here it is again:


TK you expect not to be treated as a MORON but as I have previously stated when you did your last "PRESERVATION" post.

You can not remove the post or alter it, I also said that perhaps the admin on here bows to you and you may have special dispensation to edit and delete your posts but I dont.
Thats why I added the videos as attachments so they are "PRESERVED" 

Are you really that retarded ? Or are you just trying to look good to your minions ?

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #519 on: November 06, 2013, 06:04:18 PM »
Once again, you offer no refutation, no evidence, nothing that shows that my analysis of the video is wrong in any way. All you do is shout and insult.

Of course I am not coming to England and you know it. But you are welcome to come to Texas and I will take you to a laboratory that I know about and let you convince the scientists THERE that you have what you claim, or if you don't want to come to this barbarous backwater, I know another laboratory in Toronto that would be more than happy to allow you to demonstrate to your heart's content. I will not be involved other than to make the introductions.

Much simpler would be for you to just show HERE what you claim, and what you FAILED to show in the video.

Do you deny that you pulled the ball to the LEFT?
Do you deny that you flicked the ball into the track system using your fingers?
Do you deny that the ball never again reached the height of the "release"?
Do you deny that the ball only made a single loop after your release?
Do you deny that the ball came to rest in the "sticky spot" or magnetic potential well at the end of the clip?

Of course you cannot deny any of that, because your own video clearly shows all of the above things are true, as my frame captures clearly illustrate.

Again, you cannot refute any of my points, so you insult me, erect straw-man and paranoid arguments, and shout in entire paragraphs of footstomping whining. Wouldn't it be a lot easier just to SHOW YOUR EVIDENCE?

Of course it would be, but you don't have any to show.

And I don't have any "special dispensation" for anything in this forum. Stefan tolerates me for some reason, perhaps because I put my demonstrations and analyses up for anyone to criticise and duplicate or refute as they like, in stark contrast to people like YOU who insult without reason, make claims without evidence, and take people on wild goose chases like you are doing now.

Present your evidence for your claims and refute me. You cannot.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #520 on: November 06, 2013, 06:13:11 PM »
Once again, you offer no refutation, no evidence, nothing that shows that my analysis of the video is wrong in any way. All you do is shout and insult.

Of course I am not coming to England and you know it. But you are welcome to come to Texas and I will take you to a laboratory that I know about and let you convince the scientists THERE that you have what you claim, or if you don't want to come to this barbarous backwater, I know another laboratory in Toronto that would be more than happy to allow you to demonstrate to your heart's content.

Much simpler would be for you to just show HERE what you claim, and what you FAILED to show in the video.

Do you deny that you pulled the ball to the LEFT?
Do you deny that you flicked the ball into the track system using your fingers?
Do you deny that the ball never again reached the height of the "release"?
Do you deny that the ball only made a single loop after your release?
Do you deny that the ball came to rest in the "sticky spot" or magnetic potential well at the end of the clip?

Of course you cannot deny any of that, because your own video clearly shows all of the above things are true, as my frame captures clearly illustrate.

Again, you cannot refute any of my points, so you insult me, erect straw-man and paranoid arguments, and shout in entire paragraphs of footstomping whining. Wouldn't it be a lot easier just to SHOW YOUR EVIDENCE?

Of course it would be, but you don't have any to show.


No TK it would not be "easier" to show my evidence, I have signed a NDA which does not allow for me to show my unit yet.
I have however offered you the opportunity to come and watch it for yourself, to take it apart and inspect it in every detail. Which you are declining ?
I am unable to fly at the moment as I am recovering from a stroke, so I will not be doing an Atlantic crossing as yet. What is your reason exactly ?

And I repeat I did not flick any ball, the ball has to be released onto the track. what you are calling a flick is the ball being pulled toward the magnets. 

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #521 on: November 06, 2013, 06:16:12 PM »
Elecar
There are some very trusted fellows that live in the UK and could View your demonstration?
 
Or We could take up a donation here to ship The koala to you.....?{I pledge 50.00 US}
Not sure about a round trip ticket tho.............
 
Sent a PM to you.
 
thx
Chet

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #522 on: November 06, 2013, 06:18:21 PM »
He labels his screen shots "elecarfake" and gets hurt that I call him a moron and many other things beside.

There are no "FLICKS" of the ball in the video, it was purely taken at the request of a member.

You are wrong TK people do not hate you for posting, it is the manner in which you post. You are entitled to your opinion but when you become disrespectful which is your standard MO you get people backs up.


THIS OFFER IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO TK, COME TO ENGLAND AND WATCH THE BALL SELF LOOP WITH YOUR OWN 2 EYES. YOU WILL BE FREE TO DISASSEMBLE THE SMOT TO ENSURE THERE ARE NO TRICKS, CONS OR SCAMS. IN FACT YOU CAN KEEP IT IN YOUR HOTEL ROOM YOUR WHOLE STAY.

IF THERE IS ANY TRICKERY OR DECEPTION I WILL REIMBURSE TKs AIR FARE AND HE CAN COME ON TO THE FORUM AND EXPOSE ME AS A CHEAT, LIAR, CON, SCAMMER. AND YOU RESUME YOUR PLACE AS KING OF THE FORUM KNOW IT ALLS.

HOWEVER IF AFTER HE HAS WATCHED THE SMOT LOOP FOR 3 HOURS AND BEEN ALLOWED TO TAKE IT APART TO LOOK FOR CHEATS HE COMES TO THE CONCLUSION IT WORKS AS I HAVE STATED.

THEN HE MUST COME ON THE FORUM JUST 1 FINAL TIME TO LET HIS FANS KNOW I WAS TELLING THE TRUTH AND HE MUST APOLOGIZE TO ME AND HE MUST ADMIT HE IS A BULLY AND A KNOW IT ALL.

HE MUST THEN NEVER COME ON THIS OR ANY OTHER FORUM THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH OVER UNITY OR FREE ENERGY.

What do you say TK ? You coming ?


You seem more interested in having a conflict with TK then getting your device verified, does your offer extend to the likes of Sterling Alan or Mark Dansie, who are more likely to take your offer seriously ?

elecar

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #523 on: November 06, 2013, 06:29:31 PM »
The offer only stands for TK and on the condition that he does as I requested. Which he wont because he could not live without being able to bully and harass people on here.

I have signed a NDA, I was willing to take the gamble of allowing TK to come and try and pull my work apart. Simply because I have that much hate for him. He is a bully, especially with elderly ladies. Thats why I am happy for him to be on here even though he detracts from the subject. It means someone else is spared his venom.

I actually thought he would jump at the chance but alas he is nothing more than a keyboard warrior.

   

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #524 on: November 06, 2013, 06:35:20 PM »
Hi Ramset, I will get to answering your PM. I have been away for a little while and as you might guess I have a ridiculous amount of PMs.

The offer was made to TK because I would have loved to watch his smug know it all face when he watched the smot looping and even I would have got even more pleasure as he took it apart and saw it was as I described.

Since he really has no real interest, everyone will have to wait until I can post "a video"