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MileHigh

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #315 on: October 27, 2013, 08:26:57 PM »
Webby1:

If you have contact between the magnet and the metal ball, the ball will typically jump to the middle of either face of the magnet where the field lines emerge.  So that is your lowest potential energy.  Then you have to do work to pull the ball away and that ties into the convention that TK mentioned.  If you have to work on a system to move it from it's rest state, then by convention that's negative energy.  When the system does work on you, that's positive energy.

But you don't always have to be in contact with a magnet to be at the bottom of a potential well for a given setup.  For the rails, you assume that the ball stays on the track.  So within that confine the bottom of the well is a certain spot on the track.

As we know with big neo magnets the trip to the bottom of the magnetic potential energy well can be a perilous journey.  They can smash themselves up or crush your fingers.  Then when you finally pull them back apart you have "charged" them with potential energy that came direct from your own brute force and of course that came from the sun.

With regard to the strength of the field, it will simply increase the steepness of the walls and the depth of the magnetic well.  The actual motive force has to do with the changing of the strength of the magnetic field with respect to displacement.  If the field is constant, the spherical ball will not experience a force on it.  So I suppose a strong absolute field strength and a rapidly changing field strength in a certain direction gives you the most force.

I hope that answered your question.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #316 on: October 27, 2013, 08:52:20 PM »
Webby1:

If you have contact between the magnet and the metal ball, the ball will typically jump to the middle of either face of the magnet where the field lines emerge.  So that is your lowest potential energy.  Then you have to do work to pull the ball away and that ties into the convention that TK mentioned.  If you have to work on a system to move it from it's rest state, then by convention that's negative energy.  When the system does work on you, that's positive energy.

But you don't always have to be in contact with a magnet to be at the bottom of a potential well for a given setup.  For the rails, you assume that the ball stays on the track.  So within that confine the bottom of the well is a certain spot on the track.

As we know with big neo magnets the trip to the bottom of the magnetic potential energy well can be a perilous journey.  They can smash themselves up or crush your fingers.  Then when you finally pull them back apart you have "charged" them with potential energy that came direct from your own brute force and of course that came from the sun.

With regard to the strength of the field, it will simply increase the steepness of the walls and the depth of the magnetic well.  The actual motive force has to do with the changing of the strength of the magnetic field with respect to displacement.  If the field is constant, the spherical ball will not experience a force on it.  So I suppose a strong absolute field strength and a rapidly changing field strength in a certain direction gives you the most force.

I hope that answered your question.

MileHigh

"Then when you finally pull them back apart you have "charged" them with potential energy that came direct from your own brute force and of course that came from the sun."

Just to inject a point.  When you pull the magnets back apart, the magnets expend more energy to keep you from doing this due to the magnetic lock.  If this is not true and your statement above is true, you should be able to charge up magnets.  I have never seen this done or proven, and don't believe that it is possible to "charge" a magnet by pulling them apart.  I don't see that magnets are discharged either.  Magnets can become unaligned, and appear to be weakened if particles become unaligned, but can be realigned again, but are never "charged" by an outside source. 

By spreading magnets apart, there is room to travel to the magnetic field again.  By this, there is now potential energy available again from the magnet to the steel ball to perform work.  (travel distance with velocity).

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #317 on: October 27, 2013, 09:17:36 PM »
Webby1:

I think we are in agreement.  The field is not a source of work at all.  Rather, you do work on the field.  You move a ball from point A to point B and you expend work to do that.  You can then exploit your own work later, and let the ball move from point B to point A and turn your millstone.  It's almost like the field is a "backdrop" that you are moving around in.  It's very analogous to a gravitational field.  You do the work to pump the water into the water tower, and then later you extract that work when you turn on a tap.

The gravity field around the water tower is as dead as a doornail.  It's up to you to move up and down in it.  The same things apply to charged objects moving up and down in an electric field.  All three work the same way.

Liberty:

I did not literally mean "charge" the magnets like changing their physical properties.  The magnets don't change.  I meant "charge" in a metaphorical sense.

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« Reply #318 on: October 27, 2013, 09:18:23 PM »
I've seen material from and about Travis that I am not at liberty to share fully at the moment. I have a video of a 16 minute presentation Travis made but if I show it he is likely to try to sue me, since it is supposed to be "confidential". But on the internet, nothing is really confidential, is it. In the presentation Travis does not claim to have a self running, energy producing machine any more, but he does talk a lot about his business plan, about Tesla and Ford, the Wright brothers and Einstein, about "milestones" and "efforts"... and of course TAZ and ZED and other ridiculous meaningless acronyms. He mentions the lawsuit at 15:32 into the video when he talks about "hard doors closing on us" and trying to find new investors to buy out the old, dissatisfied ones.

Well that is a bit disappointing to me personally.  I was hoping you would be able to share some solid facts to support what you said here:
 
Don't you remember Wayne Travis, with all his engineers and big machines and two visits from Mark Dansie? He couldn't meet the objections on this forum, couldn't demonstrate his claims, and finally asked for his thread to be closed, with great insults to all his critics. And now he's in full on damage control mode, being sued by early investors and trying to find someone to buy out all the others before they sue him too, because he cannot produce a self running machine like he claimed to.
 
I understand if you have "evidence" that you cannot share in order to protect yourself from any sort of retribution.  But without that evidence are not your claims against Wayne Travis just as fantastical as his?  And I'm not attacking you or supporting Wayne in this.  I'm just pointing out that hearsay is hearsay.  And that is all you are presenting currently.  I was hoping for more because I had never heard of any law suits and assumed that they would be a matter of public record that we could research.
 
If you find a way to present evidence of the law suits against Wayne Travis, please do!  I personally hate all the lies, liable, and MIB crap that goes on in these cases while I welcome the unabridged truth.
 
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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #319 on: October 27, 2013, 09:54:09 PM »

Well that is a bit disappointing to me personally.  I was hoping you would be able to share some solid facts to support what you said here:
 
Don't you remember Wayne Travis, with all his engineers and big machines and two visits from Mark Dansie? He couldn't meet the objections on this forum, couldn't demonstrate his claims, and finally asked for his thread to be closed, with great insults to all his critics. And now he's in full on damage control mode, being sued by early investors and trying to find someone to buy out all the others before they sue him too, because he cannot produce a self running machine like he claimed to.
 
I understand if you have "evidence" that you cannot share in order to protect yourself from any sort of retribution. But without that evidence are not your claims against Wayne Travis just as fantastical as his? And I'm not attacking you or supporting Wayne in this.  I'm just pointing out that hearsay is hearsay.  And that is all you are presenting currently.  I was hoping for more because I had never heard of any law suits and assumed that they would be a matter of public record that we could research.
 
If you find a way to present evidence of the law suits against Wayne Travis, please do!  I personally hate all the lies, liable, and MIB crap that goes on in these cases while I welcome the unabridged truth.
 
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On the contrary, I can provide evidence for everything I've "claimed", and Wayne Travis cannot. That puts us on a completely different footing. Whether or not I want to provide the evidence, and why or why not, is another matter altogether. Travis cannot produce what he claims due to the nature of the world: physics. I don't want to provide you with the complete video because I am not financially able to deal with Travis's lawyers, not because the Universe forbids it.

You do have access to the old thread, I hope. If not I do have it completely archived and can send it to you as a set of zip files. In it you can see Travis making his claims, and you can see the insults that he and others in his camp delivered to people who challenged him to provide evidence. On YouTube you can see Mark's two visits, and you can ask Mark himself about his conclusions wrt Mr. Wayne. So I hope I don't have to provide you with those "evidences" for what I said in the post you quote. And I've already posted a still shot from the video I "claim" to have.

Under the provisions of the DMCA regarding Fair Use for Educational, Critical... or forensic... purposes, I've excerpted the relevant segment from the video that Wayne Travis posted publicly to his YouTube account, and then somewhat later made "private". 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKctCl_pr7A

Pretty funny, huh? Instead of showing a working demonstration model that unequivocally demonstrates the truth of his claims.... he has to admit "expectations not met" and funding not delivered.... because he actually has nothing to show other than his externally pre-charged powered kludges that stop running when the precharge runs out. If he actually had what he claims, investors would be tripping over each other, having fistfights in the hallway, trying to be the first to cut him a big check and get his product into the market. Instead ... you get this. What, four years or more into the project he's still looking for help pushing his rock uphill.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #320 on: October 27, 2013, 10:19:45 PM »
It does work, and MileHigh, you appear to be the biggest skeptic on here, it works bottom line and yes, you can in fact build a magnetic propulsion ramp, call them a SMOT if you will, that can lift to a higher level and then release.  While building my ramps I found, for any of the real builders out there, that they can operate in both directions, just like a spring and bounce back and forth until all energy is spent, not if you drop it out and continue to another.  "Sticky spot" or so called "gate" is not a problem, all you must do is avoid any "Gates" .   Run a V-Gate in reverse and escape at the opening of the V where the field becomes increasingly weaker.  The only reason I placed them so far apart on my two interconnected tracks is because both tracks have a tendency of slamming together if they are too close together, of course, there are so many magnets on there!  It is possible to connect them and to continue on.  If you also note in my videos, the only time the run fouls is when my assistant daughter's hand fouls the run, it never failed at the second drop off when properly placed in the starting position.  I made one work over nine feet long and so called "Gates" did not stop me.  I am still building my 4 foot ramp and I will post a video that shows that achieving a higher level after exit (hlae) is certainly possible.  Call me crazy all you people want, I am very sane, I know it works, my children and my wife know it works, I have seen it with my own eyes.  I know I can connect them and make them continue on, and I will not stop building them until I have proven it.  I know that I can build it to continue on.  Don't give up everyone, I'm not.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #321 on: October 27, 2013, 10:44:50 PM »
It does work, and MileHigh, you appear to be the biggest skeptic on here, it works bottom line and yes, you can in fact build a magnetic propulsion ramp, call them a SMOT if you will, that can lift to a higher level and then release.  While building my ramps I found, for any of the real builders out there, that they can operate in both directions, just like a spring and bounce back and forth until all energy is spent, not if you drop it out and continue to another.  "Sticky spot" or so called "gate" is not a problem, all you must do is avoid any "Gates" .   Run a V-Gate in reverse and escape at the opening of the V where the field becomes increasingly weaker.  The only reason I placed them so far apart on my two interconnected tracks is because both tracks have a tendency of slamming together if they are too close together, of course, there are so many magnets on there!  It is possible to connect them and to continue on.  If you also note in my videos, the only time the run fouls is when my assistant daughter's hand fouls the run, it never failed at the second drop off when properly placed in the starting position.  I made one work over nine feet long and so called "Gates" did not stop me.  I am still building my 4 foot ramp and I will post a video that shows that achieving a higher level after exit (hlae) is certainly possible.  Call me crazy all you people want, I am very sane, I know it works, my children and my wife know it works, I have seen it with my own eyes.  I know I can connect them and make them continue on, and I will not stop building them until I have proven it.  I know that I can build it to continue on.  Don't give up everyone, I'm not.

When will you be showing us your self-looping model that runs all by itself once started?

Never, that's when.  That's what is generally meant when we say "IT WORKS" with reference to a SMOT. Having a ball or magnet end up higher after a PARTIAL CYCLE is easy to do. Where is your video of a complete cycle that completes with more energy than it started with, and thus can be self-looped? There isn't one. Not from you, not from elecar, not from JLN, not from Omnibus not from anybody.

Well, there is always Mylow, I guess.

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« Reply #322 on: October 28, 2013, 12:22:03 AM »
Hi,
  nice little clip of Travis. I presume that's him himself. A long while ago he had a drawing of one
of his mahines running a local church or something. One aspect that he'd got really right was
the provision of an adequate cooling system for the fluid system!
   When I was eight years old I tried for ages to get a self runner using a great big magnet and
abandoned the idea when I had no success. Now about sixty years later I see people are still
trying.
      I'm surprised at some ideas some people have about permanent magnets and I feel that
they should do a bit more studying and thinking before trying to argue their case.
  Gravity machines, if there was any chance of them working, would have to be absolutely
colossal because the acceleration is so poor, you just couldn't get a decent rate of doing work.
   I have for a long time thought that a good electrical storage battery is the way to go. Most
of us have a huge amount of energy from the sun and solar cells are getting better all the time.
A battery needs to be developed that has 25 year lifespan and could be buried in the garden
store energy while we're out at work in the day or off peak grid and be there for us at night.
                John.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #323 on: October 28, 2013, 12:28:03 AM »
@Michael,
I suspect you need to have a complete looping device even if you can prove the exit point is higher than the insertion point because there is an effect that no-one seems to have mentioned yet.
I seem to remember and I could be wrong but way back when Greg Watson was building the original SMOT device he or someone else noticed that the steel ball bearing undergoes a very slight repulsion before it enters the magnetic field array that pulls it up the ramp.
I think this has something to do with the magnetic field from the array causing the ball to be slightly magnetised and creating a very slight repulsive force between itself and the array.
So by placing the ball bearing inside the magnetic field of the array, just ahead of the ramp, you have already given the ball a head start in terms of magnetic potential energy.  Therefore you need sufficient slope or momentum to get past this sticky insertion point.


All the negative views here are not stopping me from experimenting with this.
Its a good engineering challenge and hopefully within the scope of most people to be able to be built with basic tools.


Meggerman

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #324 on: October 28, 2013, 12:35:02 AM »
When will you be showing us your self-looping model that runs all by itself once started?

Never, that's when.  That's what is generally meant when we say "IT WORKS" with reference to a SMOT. Having a ball or magnet end up higher after a PARTIAL CYCLE is easy to do. Where is your video of a complete cycle that completes with more energy than it started with, and thus can be self-looped? There isn't one. Not from you, not from elecar, not from JLN, not from Omnibus not from anybody.

Well, there is always Mylow, I guess.

Never say never,  I am still actively working on it.  Even then a self looped SMOT would only have the amount of "energy" that you "built" into it, plus what is given initially by placement to begin its operation,  getting it to self loop is possible, but if you try to take much energy away from it yes, it more than likely will stop.  The only possible manner to get anything out of it would be during the portion of operation when it is driven by the magnetic fields, yes like a sling shot, at least that is how mine operate, and they release just fine.  For instance, my 1/2 inch lift track is made with enough strength to lift up to 3/4 inches, you must purposely build them stronger and extend them beyond the point of exit for a smooth disconnect.  I will one day, before life escapes me.  I honestly believe that four of my 4 foot tracks connected in a square will prove the operation best, then using clear rubber tubing curved into the starting position of the next ramp, in that manner the ball will already begin rolling in the new direction of travel of the next ramp on the downward roll -because it cannot cross the magnetic field of the adjoining ramp, hence why I made my video with a right angle, it gets stuck on it otherwise, so no after looking at drawings of 2 four foot tracks side by side or even three in a triangle may work. Yes it does work, and yes... you can successfully connect them.  I am not Mylow and I am not "faking" my results.  Thank you for the chide though, I am getting used to it by now.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #325 on: October 28, 2013, 12:44:40 AM »
@Michael,
I suspect you need to have a complete looping device even if you can prove the exit point is higher than the insertion point because there is an effect that no-one seems to have mentioned yet.
I seem to remember and I could be wrong but way back when Greg Watson was building the original SMOT device he or someone else noticed that the steel ball bearing undergoes a very slight repulsion before it enters the magnetic field array that pulls it up the ramp.
I think this has something to do with the magnetic field from the array causing the ball to be slightly magnetised and creating a very slight repulsive force between itself and the array.
So by placing the ball bearing inside the magnetic field of the array, just ahead of the ramp, you have already given the ball a head start in terms of magnetic potential energy.  Therefore you need sufficient slope or momentum to get past this sticky insertion point.


All the negative views here are not stopping me from experimenting with this.
Its a good engineering challenge and hopefully within the scope of most people to be able to be built with basic tools.


Meggerman

Thanks Meggerman, I agree and will not give up as well.  In my most popular video, I successfully connected two and got the drop-off and hand-off working awesome, I just need to build them longer to obtain the height to provide the separation to keep adjoining tracks from trying to slam together.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #326 on: October 28, 2013, 12:57:54 AM »
Never say never,  I am still actively working on it.  Even then a self looped SMOT would only have the amount of "energy" that you "built" into it, plus what is given initially by placement to begin its operation,  getting it to self loop is possible, but if you try to take much energy away from it yes, it more than likely will stop.  The only possible manner to get anything out of it would be during the portion of operation when it is driven by the magnetic fields, yes like a sling shot, at least that is how mine operate, and they release just fine.  For instance, my 1/2 inch lift track is made with enough strength to lift up to 3/4 inches, you must purposely build them stronger and extend them beyond the point of exit for a smooth disconnect.  I will one day, before life escapes me.  I honestly believe that four of my 4 foot tracks connected in a square will prove the operation best, then using clear rubber tubing curved into the starting position of the next ramp, in that manner the ball will already begin rolling in the new direction of travel of the next ramp on the downward roll -because it cannot cross the magnetic field of the adjoining ramp, hence why I made my video with a right angle, it gets stuck on it otherwise, so no after looking at drawings of 2 four foot tracks side by side or even three in a triangle may work. Yes it does work, and yes... you can successfully connect them.  I am not Mylow and I am not "faking" my results.  Thank you for the chide though, I am getting used to it by now.

So we appear to have another claim that "yes it does work"... without the slightest evidence given in support of the claim.

No, Michael, it does NOT work, and you cannot demonstrate a working triangle, or square, or circle of ramps that will self-loop. Do all the tinkering and thinking that you like, but do not make claims you cannot support. Especially claims that have been proven wrong over and over. Do you really think you are the first one to think of putting four smot ramps in a square?

If you want to state that you BELIEVE it WOULD WORK if only you can find the right configuration... that is fine, work away, tell us about your BELIEFS. But when you claim "it does work" or that "you can successfully connect them" or that it runs for three hours unattended.... unless you provide evidence, you are just another hot-air claimant, and you'll fade away in frustration like all the rest of them do.

Why aren't you, Michael, insisting that elecar prove his claim by demonstrating a self-looped system? Don't you believe him? Wouldn't it be nice if he'd tell you the complete details, so that you could build it and then there would now be TWO demonstrations of a self-looped system? But it will never happen... yes, I said never.

I didn't mean to accuse you of being another Mylow.... I brought him up because, after all, he understood what was necessary to make his motors "work": an outside source of power. Of all people, don't you think he would have made a self-runner if it were possible to do so? He had support, he was working with the allegedly "proven" Howard Johnson design... he even prayed over Howard Johnson's grave.

Feel free to PROVE ME WRONG with a credible demonstration of a self-looping system. Anyone?

If you cannot demonstrate the earth-shaking, physics-defying, thermodynamically impossible system that you are claiming to have, then you should not claim it. It is as simple as that.

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« Reply #327 on: October 28, 2013, 01:28:13 AM »
So we appear to have another claim that "yes it does work"... without the slightest evidence given in support of the claim.

No, Michael, it does NOT work, and you cannot demonstrate a working triangle, or square, or circle of ramps that will self-loop. Do all the tinkering and thinking that you like, but do not make claims you cannot support. Especially claims that have been proven wrong over and over. Do you really think you are the first one to think of putting four smot ramps in a square?

If you want to state that you BELIEVE it WOULD WORK if only you can find the right configuration... that is fine, work away, tell us about your BELIEFS. But when you claim "it does work" or that "you can successfully connect them" or that it runs for three hours unattended.... unless you provide evidence, you are just another hot-air claimant, and you'll fade away in frustration like all the rest of them do.

Why aren't you, Michael, insisting that elecar prove his claim by demonstrating a self-looped system? Don't you believe him? Wouldn't it be nice if he'd tell you the complete details, so that you could build it and then there would now be TWO demonstrations of a self-looped system? But it will never happen... yes, I said never.

I didn't mean to accuse you of being another Mylow.... I brought him up because, after all, he understood what was necessary to make his motors "work": an outside source of power. Of all people, don't you think he would have made a self-runner if it were possible to do so? He had support, he was working with the allegedly "proven" Howard Johnson design... he even prayed over Howard Johnson's grave.

Feel free to PROVE ME WRONG with a credible demonstration of a self-looping system. Anyone?

If you cannot demonstrate the earth-shaking, physics-defying, thermodynamically impossible system that you are claiming to have, then you should not claim it. It is as simple as that.

Never said that I had a complete connected loop, just said my ramps work and I have found a way to connect them that works.  I am working as diligently as possible while buying parts with just the change from recycling.  I never made any wild or crazy hot-air claims and I do plan to continue to post my results every chance I get.  I wish elecar the best of luck with his designs, Yes it does work, and yes... you can successfully connect them, I have already provided my evidence and have shared what I have learned with everyone.  like I said, I will continue to work diligently and will share everything that I possibly can.  Please calm down, unless you are the site moderator or watchdog, even then, I have said nothing that should have upset you nor did I ever "claim" to have completed the holy grail.   I would love to prove you wrong, this is a thread for people working to connect a completed loop isn't it?  Not a thread for people to prove that it is not possible.  I thought at least on this thread there would at more open mindedness than what you have displayed.  If I don't get it completed fine -you can say I told you so, but if I do, I get to tell you I told you so, or even elecar may get to say it.  We all will see in the end then I may fade away in frustration like all the rest of them do or you may.

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« Reply #328 on: October 28, 2013, 01:46:44 AM »
Micheal:

I had no idea you were reading the thread.  The analysis mostly was done to explain what is going on in more scientific terms.  Many people may be aware now that when a ball rolls up your ramp, it's actually going down in energy.  It's the exact opposite of what they were thinking.  It can be difficult for people to understand magnetism so I made some postings to explain your setup.

The burden of proof is on you to make a self-runner.  The problem is that when you arrange your four ramps there is not going to be any magic.  Each of your ramps does not add any energy to the ball.  Like I have explained, the ball goes down in energy, even if your eyes see it has raised in height.   You are slightly raised in height but at the bottom of a magnetic potential energy well.  That magnetic potential energy well might be invisible, but it is absolutely real and you can feel it just by picking up the ball and trying to move it.  Each ramp decreases the amount of energy in the ball.  There is just no escape from this fact.  Your attempts to build the 4-track looping system will be frustrated by Mother Nature.

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« Reply #329 on: October 28, 2013, 02:37:28 AM »
Micheal:

I had no idea you were reading the thread.  The analysis mostly was done to explain what is going on in more scientific terms.  Many people may be aware now that when a ball rolls up your ramp, it's actually going down in energy.  It's the exact opposite of what they were thinking.  It can be difficult for people to understand magnetism so I made some postings to explain your setup.

The burden of proof is on you to make a self-runner.  The problem is that when you arrange your four ramps there is not going to be any magic.  Each of your ramps does not add any energy to the ball.  Like I have explained, the ball goes down in energy, even if your eyes see it has raised in height.   You are slightly raised in height but at the bottom of a magnetic potential energy well.  That magnetic potential energy well might be invisible, but it is absolutely real and you can feel it just by picking up the ball and trying to move it.  Each ramp decreases the amount of energy in the ball.  There is just no escape from this fact.  Your attempts to build the 4-track looping system will be frustrated by Mother Nature.

MileHigh

Cool, Thank you, yeah I spent today relaxing, and reading almost every comment, had to carve the family pumpkin for Ol' hallows eve, or harvest festival if you will, and roast the salted seeds.  I respect your analysis, I respect everyone's analysis, I still cannot hide what is actually happening with each and every subsequent build.  For instance, if you actually look at my 9 foot track, I made it when I lived in military family housing back at Sheppard AFB in Texas.  It received an input initially from a 3/4 inch downward decline, then it rolls back up and over a 3/4 inch incline, this in physics, should not be possible, if you roll anything between two equally sized hills for instance, unless you provide more force in any other particular direction somehow, that object will only roll back and forth between the two hills until it stops motionless -in the center of the valley of both hills- this is physics and this is what happens in life everywhere everyday, just like a bouncing ball loosing height and eventually stopping motionless on the ground.  Yet, I was able to make it to continue rolling on and then did it again a second time with a 3/4 inch drop back uphill then flat, flat, and even then the ball continues on for over thirteen feet of total distance traveled.  I ran this track in both directions, flipped it 180 degrees just to prove that my foundation did not have an incline so NO, it is not rolling down to a lower energy level like a roller coaster would operate.  By making the magnetic fields stretch longer and allowing for a smooth removal the ball rolls uphill with the magnetic slingshot, then rolls back downhill with gravity.  I made the last two track flat in the video to show that I could connect them on a flat plane and make them continue on, I originally had all of them uphill-downhill with all 3/4 inch lift configurations and when properly aligned, it worked every time.  I am just trying to share what I see, what my family and I are seeing and the reason why I will not give up on this.