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Author Topic: Building a self looping "SMOT"  (Read 234801 times)

Offline LibreEnergia

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #585 on: November 08, 2013, 12:41:33 AM »
So now the video is a fraud also ? 
What are video compression artifacts ? What is an unambiguous forward time line ?
Yes it stops the track is very poor the ball sometimes contacts the pins, it is uneven and the friction does not help. You have the video you can check it frame by frame, there is no trick no splice no fraud.
I have a cheap Sanyo VPC3600 snap shot camera that has a video feature, no matter what I do, what evidence I supply there is always gonna be someone who will try to discredit it. I will set up the track again and take another video for you, although I think I am wasting my time banging my head against a wall.

Yes, I believe it is fake. It is a video of a single loop repeatedly spliced together to produce twelve consecutive loops.

I base my opinion on the fact that for part of my job I write video display and editing software, and have 25 years software engineering experience. I have in-depth knowledge of the windows media format this file was provided in.

Here are the reasons.

1. The video is not a raw file from the camera. It has been edited in Windows Movie maker. This information is in the file header. In itself this is not proof of forgery, but it means it is not taken directly from the camera and window movie maker is capable enough to produce this kind of edit. Alternatively this application may have been used simply to the convert the file format.

2. The video is shot with a low quality video camera. The video contains significant video 'noise' caused by it the camera sensor. By nature video noise is random.

3. Analysing the video noise from the start of the video to position 11.90 seconds (when the ball is released) shows no two frames where the background video noise in each frame is the same.

4. From position 11.90 through to position 23.400 when the ball is shown looping twelve times it is apparent that IDENTICAL frames are present in the video, including the exact same video noise pattern. The likelihood of this occurring by chance are remote.

I won't post the video or the full evidence yet.

You are welcome to refute these facts and/or provide a video that I would consider genuine.








     




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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #585 on: November 08, 2013, 12:41:33 AM »

Offline ramset

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #586 on: November 08, 2013, 12:47:18 AM »
Tinsel
 
I think Elecar has done what he says.
 
I also think you are not on his Christmas Card list!
 
The Prizes Start at 5 Loops [secret decoder ring and a pack of Chewin gum]
 
I believe it won't be too long till you see a nice Vid .[perhaps with a cheap clock with a second hand in the Shot]
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Offline happyfunball

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #587 on: November 08, 2013, 12:49:44 AM »
Wow, so many self serving pointless attacks on a guy who doesn't claim to have shown OU. Everyone remember to applaud TK's sarcastic unnecessary cheese wheel. Why don't you at least wait until Nov 19th to unleash the attack dogs.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #587 on: November 08, 2013, 12:49:44 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #588 on: November 08, 2013, 01:52:22 AM »
Wow, so many self serving pointless attacks on a guy who doesn't claim to have shown OU. Everyone remember to applaud TK's sarcastic unnecessary cheese wheel. Why don't you at least wait until Nov 19th to unleash the attack dogs.

He claimed to have a self-looping SMOT or smot-like thing that ran for three hours without outside input of energy. That is definitely a claim of OU. He presented a video, definitely claiming to show OU, to LibreEnergia that might be fake. He presented a video here that shows two storages of energy provided by his hands, and yet doesn't manage to make a second loop.

You don't like my video? Why? I freely admit that the cheese doesn't do anything. Did you think it did? Can you provide any kind of rational analysis of my video that refutes anything I've said about it?

Yet my thing makes more than two complete loops, something elecar told us we had never seen before. My "cheese wheel" is neither sarcastic nor unnecessary: it refutes several claims of elecar's and shows how to avoid several questionable "errors" in his video (the one I analyzed; I haven't seen the one LibreEnergia analyzed.)

Can you discuss matters rationally or would you just like to continue insulting me? I think I already know the answer to that, but feel free to demonstrate that I am wrong ... about anything. Of course insulting me is a lot easier.


@LibreEnergia: Thank you for your hard work, however it turns out.

Just for the record: Are you my minion? Am I yours? Do you have any minions at all? Do we know each other, other than our contact on this forum? Do we exchange PMs in secret, chatting behind the backs of the other forum members, plotting how we will suppress Free Energy and serve the interests of Big Oil? Do you have a sponsor who pays you well to post here?

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #589 on: November 08, 2013, 01:58:00 AM »
Tinsel
 
I think Elecar has done what he says.
 
I also think you are not on his Christmas Card list!
 
The Prizes Start at 5 Loops [secret decoder ring and a pack of Chewin gum]
 
I believe it won't be too long till you see a nice Vid .[perhaps with a cheap clock with a second hand in the Shot]
thx
Chet

Ah. First it was only two loops that would show a miracle. Then when I showed two loops, it became three that was needed. Then when I pointed out that only a tiny additional bit of energy would cause my thing to loop three times, it becomes 5 loops.
(By the way, I can get three loops but not with 100 percent consistency.... yet.)

This is technically called "moving the goalposts", but since I'm not playing a silly game or asking for any prizes really, I'm not impressed or distressed. I do think that everybody should be held to the same standard, though.

Why don't you go to England and see elecar's device? I'll gladly accept your report as factual.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #589 on: November 08, 2013, 01:58:00 AM »
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Offline LibreEnergia

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #590 on: November 08, 2013, 02:27:48 AM »

@LibreEnergia: Thank you for your hard work, however it turns out.

Just for the record: Are you my minion? Am I yours? Do you have any minions at all? Do we know each other, other than our contact on this forum? Do we exchange PMs in secret, chatting behind the backs of the other forum members, plotting how we will suppress Free Energy and serve the interests of Big Oil? Do you have a sponsor who pays you well to post here?

And for the record: No, we don't know each other, have even corresponded directly before or have anything resembling minions.

I'm not in the business of supressing free energy and don't serve the interests of Big Oil, or anyone but myself for that matter.

I'd dearly like to see free energy succeed but I know enough about physics and engineering to be reasonably certain that attempts to use gravity and magnetism in the way suggested by the author of this thread or many other posters on this forum is futile.

I don't have any sponsors who pay me to post here, although I occasionally do it on work time and using my employers bandwidth. (I'm employed as a software consultant by a company with no interests in energy production)

Offline happyfunball

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #591 on: November 08, 2013, 02:31:50 AM »
He claimed to have a self-looping SMOT or smot-like thing that ran for three hours without outside input of energy. That is definitely a claim of OU. He presented a video, definitely claiming to show OU, to LibreEnergia that might be fake. He presented a video here that shows two storages of energy provided by his hands, and yet doesn't manage to make a second loop.

You don't like my video? Why? I freely admit that the cheese doesn't do anything. Did you think it did? Can you provide any kind of rational analysis of my video that refutes anything I've said about it?

Yet my thing makes more than two complete loops, something elecar told us we had never seen before. My "cheese wheel" is neither sarcastic nor unnecessary: it refutes several claims of elecar's and shows how to avoid several questionable "errors" in his video (the one I analyzed; I haven't seen the one LibreEnergia analyzed.)

Can you discuss matters rationally or would you just like to continue insulting me? I think I already know the answer to that, but feel free to demonstrate that I am wrong ... about anything. Of course insulting me is a lot easier.


@LibreEnergia: Thank you for your hard work, however it turns out.

Just for the record: Are you my minion? Am I yours? Do you have any minions at all? Do we know each other, other than our contact on this forum? Do we exchange PMs in secret, chatting behind the backs of the other forum members, plotting how we will suppress Free Energy and serve the interests of Big Oil? Do you have a sponsor who pays you well to post here?

Pretty funny, you conveniently ignore the fact that he doesn't claim to show OU in the video he posted, yet you in your infinite megalomania felt the need to replicate it to prove he didn't show what he said himself he didn't show.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #591 on: November 08, 2013, 02:31:50 AM »
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Offline LibreEnergia

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #592 on: November 08, 2013, 02:39:16 AM »
Pretty funny, you conveniently ignore the fact that he doesn't claim to show OU in the video he posted, yet you in your infinite megalomania felt the need to replicate it to prove he didn't show what he said himself he didn't show.

If the ball is started without an excess of either  gravitational potential or kinetic energy, it returns to the same starting energy state each loop and it can loop even once then it is "over-unity". He doesn't need to claim it  , just describing something that could do that is over-unity by definition.

Offline sarkeizen

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #593 on: November 08, 2013, 02:41:12 AM »
just short-circuit the thing for 3 weeks man.
@EOA Does that demonstrate it will last forever?  Nope.  So again, what test demonstrates running forever?

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #593 on: November 08, 2013, 02:41:12 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #594 on: November 08, 2013, 02:42:31 AM »
Pretty funny, you conveniently ignore the fact that he doesn't claim to show OU in the video he posted, yet you in your infinite megalomania felt the need to replicate it to prove he didn't show what he said himself he didn't show.

Thank you for proving my point so succinctly. You cannot find anything wrong with my video or my analysis of his video, and you cannot discuss rationally the real issues, so you choose to insult me instead.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #595 on: November 08, 2013, 02:51:56 AM »
If the ball is started without an excess of either  gravitational potential or kinetic energy, it returns to the same starting energy state each loop and it can loop even once then it is "over-unity". He doesn't need to claim it  , just describing something that could do that is over-unity by definition.

Thanks for the response to my "for the record" question.

You also have hit the nail right on the head. The claim was made in the very first post, and in the title of the thread. Elecar claims to be able to teach us to make a self-looping SMOT like he has got, but without revealing the one he claims to have, or even demonstrating that he actually knows how to do it.

Is there anyone here except happyfunball who doesn't think elecar was making a claim of overunity performance, I wonder?

I wonder if any smot builders will notice that I have shown, in my worthless cheesy video, one easy way to minimize losses around a full loop: You make a circular, level track with minimal contact area to the ball.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
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Offline happyfunball

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #596 on: November 08, 2013, 03:28:25 AM »
Thank you for proving my point so succinctly. You cannot find anything wrong with my video or my analysis of his video, and you cannot discuss rationally the real issues, so you choose to insult me instead.

I certainly do find something wrong with making a sarcastic attack video with cutesy insulting pieces of cheese to 'prove' something does not do what the claimant never claimed it does. You are the insulting one, why don't you work it out with a shrink and let elecar do his thing.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #597 on: November 08, 2013, 04:40:35 AM »
I certainly do find something wrong with making a sarcastic attack video with cutesy insulting pieces of cheese to 'prove' something does not do what the claimant never claimed it does. You are the insulting one, why don't you work it out with a shrink and let elecar do his thing.
So now you are accusing me of somehow preventing elecar from "doing his thing!" That is indeed astounding, when all I have EVER done is to ask, more and more pointedly, for him to DO JUST THAT. Prove his claims with supporting evidence.

But it certainly appears that you and some others are really really trying to prevent me from "doing my thing".

Offline happyfunball

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #598 on: November 08, 2013, 05:46:51 AM »
So now you are accusing me of somehow preventing elecar from "doing his thing!" That is indeed astounding, when all I have EVER done is to ask, more and more pointedly, for him to DO JUST THAT. Prove his claims with supporting evidence.

But it certainly appears that you and some others are really really trying to prevent me from "doing my thing".

Figured you'd resort to a straw man argument when pressed. I requested you let eclair do his thing, rather than distracting from the topic with immature bullying. He didn't claim to show OU yet. Is that too much for the mighty TK to grasp? Mendacious seems to be one of your favorite words when applied to others, I do believe you should buy a mirror.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #599 on: November 08, 2013, 05:47:49 AM »
LibreEnergia:

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4. From position 11.90 through to position 23.400 when the ball is shown looping twelve times it is apparent that IDENTICAL frames are present in the video, including the exact same video noise pattern. The likelihood of this occurring by chance are remote.

That was a slam-dunk.  My impression is that the creator or creators of the video had no idea that this issue was in play.

The likelihood is indeed remote.  Way less than one in a Google.  And you know they say that there are 10^80 protons in the universe.

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