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Author Topic: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?  (Read 11142 times)

Offline MileHigh

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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2013, 07:14:26 AM »
SeaMonkey:

I am not interested in alleged chem trails so only once in a while have I commented on the issue.  With respect to your comments, people have to take them in context also.  You believe in a Grand Conspiracy and an upcoming battle of good vs. evil and the destruction of the existing order and a new dawn where good ultimately prevails.  You firmly believe all of this is happening and millions and millions of people will die and chem trails are all part of your narrative.  I think that's a complete croc but at the same time I am fully aware that there are aspects of government and things that take place that could be questionable.  But I also believe that when you average things out the net sum of what is really going on in the world is not as bad as you believe and you are just a "coming apocalypse" kind of guy and they are a dime a dozen.  Just live your life and try to be happy, it's a simple recipe!

Yes indeed, I read that Stalin was presented with a daily list of people that had questionable political leanings or they were not liked for one reason or the other and they were killed, day after day.  The world is a nasty place and will always be a nasty place.  But there is a lot of good in the world also, and that's were most people want to focus their energies.  Believing that "the government is poisoning us" by putting stuff in jet fuel is just whackadoo nonsense just like Sterlng Allen still believes that Yidiz has a working magnetic motor.  That kind of stuff normally doesn't get past my built-in noise filter.  I couldn't care less if you think I am just a zombie pod drone.  I think that people that fanatically believe in chem trails are zombie pod drones.  The zombies will just have to agree to disagree and "it's already forgotten" as far as I am concerned.

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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2013, 01:15:50 PM »
 
Seamonkey, I agree that the existence of chemtrails has been proven WAY beyond a reasonable doubt.  Many people are raised with blinders on, sent in one direction and taught to believe only what they can see. And guys with their heads in the sand or up their own heiny are very, very much a dime a dozen.  They usually only weigh in to hear their heads rattle.  And what they usually hear is the hypnotic, hollow tinkle of loose change they can believe in. 

http://beforeitsnews.com/chemtrails/2013/10/chemtrails-and-haarp-compilation-videos-and-photos-2431538.html

 
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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2013, 01:30:25 PM »
MileHigh, Anyone with any technical know how about engines of any kind would immediately realize that nothing is being put into the fuel. It is being sprayed from tanks through nozzles, the placement of the nozzles could be beside the engine or on the wings.

I for one have never said anything about I think the chemical is being put into the fuel. That would be silly and damage the engine as well as degrade performance.

There are usually two or three camps in any arena, free energy included. with the chemtrails there are probably only two, 1)the folks who will claim anything and everything like "they put it in the fuel", these are the camp that knows little thinks less and jumps on any bandwagon going along. 2) The folks who say this is not normal and point out why then ask questions, think about the practicalities and reasons for it and gather evidence.

Basically MileHigh it matters not what I "think" or what you "think". What matters is what is actually happening.

Can you say with certainty what the spray planes with visible nozzles that are filmed spraying are actually spraying and why ?

If you can't and don't care then why comment ?

My opinion is that you just like to abjectly deny as much as you possibly can. Do your best, it won't change what is actually happening, nor can it.

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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2013, 01:30:25 PM »
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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2013, 03:03:52 PM »
A famous philosopher said a picture is worth a Thousand Words.
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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2013, 12:16:33 AM »
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z2iRormxkw#t=319

Anyone who denies chemtrails is morbidly ignorant.  As for the multifold purpose of chemtrails, the debate rages.

I for one, am comforted in knowing that these trails are being sampled each time they are released and records kept as to each and every purpose.  I personally have seen "orbs" sampling chemtrails as they are being laid down, in clear skies.

Youtube - Ufo flies through chemtrails. Numerous examples.

A lot of somebodies are going to have a lot to answer for when all is said and done.
Even now, judgments are being carried out.

 
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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2013, 12:16:33 AM »
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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2013, 01:43:14 AM »


The "trails in the sky" have indeed been scientifically
evaluated and samples have been collected for
scientific analysis.

Absolute rubbish.

The only studies that have been done were deeply flawed from a scientific viewpoint.  Point to just one study of any merit that shows this has been proven.

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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2013, 01:55:34 AM »
Farmhand:

How much do you know about jet engines?  How do you know that you can't add additives to the fuel?  See, it's just the same thing again, you are implying a "correct" view and I don't think you know that much about the intimate engineering details about jet engines nor are you a chemical engineer that works on jet fuel mixtures.  In my case, I know for certain that I don't know.

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What matters is what is actually happening.

Indeed, and you have no clue at all what is "actually happening" yet you seem to be implying that you do.  I have no clue either but I am willing to use my common sense and apply it to situations when I don't know.

"Chem trails" is almost like "radiant energy" in the context of free energy enthusiasts.  In both cases nobody can define it or measure it or find any hard evidence either exists.  But at least for "radiant energy" I know it's complete nonsense.  You will see it discussed like it is real a little bit on this forum, but much more so on the Energetic Forum.  There are giant threads on EF where people discuss "radiant energy" as a tangible thing, and they are grown adults that are completely and utterly wrong.

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Can you say with certainty what the spray planes with visible nozzles that are filmed spraying are actually spraying and why ?

Another loaded question and I will answer it with a twist:  You Farmhand can't say with certainty what the spray planes with visible nozzles that are filmed spraying are actually spraying and why.  You don't even know if they are spraying anything or if it is just water.  And even if they are spraying something you have no clue at all if it might be for a legitimate scientific or agricultural reason.

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My opinion is that you just like to abjectly deny as much as you possibly can. Do your best, it won't change what is actually happening, nor can it.

One more time, you are pushing a concept and trying to pretend that you know something and you know that it's true.  Who says anything is actually happening?  That kind of quasi-subliminal attempt at brainwashing doesn't work for me.  It's very possible and very very likely that nothing is happening.  You linked to a clip of a woman catching a reflection in her door window and calling it a chem trail.  Sometimes in life you just have to say something is crap, otherwise you would go insane.

TechStuf:

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Anyone who denies chemtrails is morbidly ignorant.  As for the multifold purpose of chemtrails, the debate rages.

I absolutely and unequivocally deny the existence of chemtrails unless you can produce solid evidence for the chemicals, the reasons for doing so, the delivery systems, the agency that is carrying out the task, and so on.  I have looked at a bunch of YouTube videos and I think they are junk.  So I consider myself reasonably well informed, not ignorant.

Anyway, what a world we live in.  Probably within minutes of the 1995 Oklahoma bombing you had people claiming it was a government conspiracy.  Same thing for the Boston bombings, within an hour Alex Jones had a YouTube clip up stating that it was a false flag operation.

So at least I gave you guys a countering opinion, and that's a good thing!  A little bit of balance in the expression of views is good.  I think of Sterling Allen and he lives in this kind of world view.  I say to myself thank God (just an expression) that I don't live in the creepy horrible world that his mind puts him in.  He will believe in some flaky guy that does a total fail when demoing his "magnetic motor" and also believe that we are in a creepy horrible nightmare world where there are dark forces at every turn.  Chem trails is just another facet of this creepy zombie smoke and mirrors world of the mind.  Check out the creepy 1965 Catherine Deneuve movie Repulsion for the unpleasant taste.

Yuck!  Not for me.  I am now officially totally burned out discussing the ridiculous subject of chem trails.

MileHigh

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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2013, 05:16:09 AM »
 
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Yuck!  Not for me.  I am now officially totally burned out discussing
the ridiculous subject of chem trails.

BS. 

You don't seem to know what "officially" means and you never burn out.  You're like "Bob" in the movie, what about Bob. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0pKymngWgJw#t=48

You show up and prattle on to hear your head rattle.  You rag on and on about proof like a child dinging for the Christmas toy he hopes he'll never receive, and when he gets it, he's too afraid to tear the wrapping paper or untie the bow. 

Here is a radical new therapy for your condition.  Rather than peeking into the topics to blather on and on about how they suck and can't happen and no proof is enough....try searching far and wide for a topic you "actually" know something about, and can participate in a positive manner.  You know, contributing "experience" to the pool, rather than just hopping off the high dive to take a crap and try and send every one out early. 

Surely I'm not alone in my supposition that you if you are not a "shill" for the backstreet boys, then you should at least consider putting in an application.  Because if you ain't getting paid to act such a fool, then this sad joke isn't just on us, but doubly so on you.

Don't let the revolving door pinch your pinky on the way out.

 

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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2013, 05:38:49 AM »
TechStuf:

All the world is a stage.

I thought that this was a discussion about alleged chem trails and not an ad hominem attack session. 

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try searching far and wide for a topic you "actually" know something about, and can participate in a positive manner.

Really?  Why don't you go and take a read of another thread around here about pulse motors and tell us how it relates to your statement above.  What does it mean when you put the word "actually" in quotations in a sentence in reference to your statement above?  You probably will pretend to be immune to my advice, but my advice to you is to just be real TechStuf.  Just be real.  When you are pretending to be someone that you are not, it's just a useless and pointless expenditure of mental energy.  You can burn yourself out like that.

I expressed my opinion on alleged chem trails, and I stand behind it.  Just deal with it in a civil manner.

MileHigh

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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2013, 06:54:51 AM »
MileHigh, LibreEnergia,

You both seem to have lost your
scientific curiosity and whatever dedication
to scientific inquiry that you may have
possessed earlier in your existences. ???

Both of your tactics are well known in the
Forum Community.  You both follow orders
well and your handlers are no doubt satisfied
with your abilities to disrupt. :o

Promoting the true aims of science is clearly
not part of either of your agendas although
MileHigh is busily engaged in considerable
technical discussion in order to establish some
degree of false credibility. 8)

If your beliefs are genuine, you are of course
entitled to them.  If they are deception (as they
seem to be) then you'll encounter resistance to
your goals. ::)

In due time all truth will be revealed and none
will be able to deny it.  Thankfully, the warriors
for Truth are growing in numbers.  ;)

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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2013, 07:36:07 AM »
SeaMonkey:

I reject your allegations, and they are nothing more than that.  The line about "handlers" is too much.  How you can argue that I am against the true aims of science in the context of this discussion baffles me.  Nor is debating and challenging ideas and asking for tangible proof and logical reasoning "disruption."  That's the refuge of a scoundrel.  "I can't respond with rational arguments so I will accuse you of disruption."

My beliefs are indeed genuine.  You can't forget the Big Picture, SeaMonkey.  Whatever lay Internet coverage you see for things like chem trails or over unity makes it appear that there is some traction with mainstream thought.  But then when a hot topic happens in the free energy community and there is a high-profile YouTube clip associated with it, how many hits might the clip get?  One thousand if you are lucky?  What we can't forget is the vast majority of scientists and engineers and the people in the Military-Industrial Complex never even think about this stuff for a second.  It's a very small community online and in the broader context, it's not even a micro community.  It's more like a nano community.  You talk about "handlers" and "following orders" and "agendas" but the truth is we are just in another kind of Dr. Seuss Whoville.  Nobody is watching SeaMonkey, I assure you.  The online basket weaving community is probably much larger than this community.  Gary Hendershot's show might get 200 viewers between the two streaming services he is on.

This is just a fun nano community and nobody is watching or paying attention.  Tens of millions of scientists, academics, engineers, and people in the Military-Industrial Complex go to work each day and never think of the latest buzz in the free energy community, ever.

So everybody should just chill out and try to have some fun.  Practically nobody even knows we are here.  Nobody is watching.  There is probably more online discussion about Rihanna's current nail polish colour than there is in the entire free energy community.

MileHigh

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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2013, 07:37:36 AM »
Dead on, Sea Monkey!

The trolls of this world, and there are many, are often incapable of recognizing their condition.  To continually inhabit a place that is anathema to one's sensibilities bespeaks a mental issue(s) that usually go way back....

Those who show up to discussion merely to register their derision, contempt,  arrogant dismissiveness, and utter blindness, don't stick around long in real life gatherings.

They don't haunt the traditional science forums because they'd continually get their asses handed to them over their willful lack of understanding.  They prefer to plague the creative areas where toleration is usually more abundant.  Of course, these are usually the kinds of individuals who wouldn't even think of pulling their shtick in a real life gathering.  It's sad, really.  And more commonly the actions of adolescents.
 
Sea Monkey, you are right.  It'll all wash out in the end.  Some of us will move on, and some will be held back....but not for lack of trying to grab a coat tail and hitch a ride.

 
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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2013, 07:37:40 AM »
I know what chem trail clouds do and yes I have had them for 4 days here you need to go outside around 12am to 2 am and as current clouds past you will see them they have been spraying at nite here in eastern north taxolina on top of other clouds.. I also think this is why people sinus problems have be worst in the past couple years than others??
 
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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2013, 08:08:30 AM »
SeaMonkey:

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MileHigh is busily engaged in considerable
technical discussion in order to establish some
degree of false credibility.

That's actually pretty offensive.  I did that for fun and gave some pulse motor builders some new ideas and educated them.  And you spout nonsense like that?  The truth is I could have designed and built that pulse motor circuit practically in my sleep in 1981.  Here we are in 2013 and the "state of the art" in pulse motors has not changed very much in the five years that I have been around.  So it was time to talk about something new.  Plus I designed a live power meter and I discussed how to get more bang out of your drive coil.

Then you get ridiculous comments like this from TechStuf:

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try searching far and wide for a topic you "actually" know something about, and can participate in a positive manner.

What a joke.

I am more than happy to discuss and debate in a civil manner.  The bogey man stuff is just silly.  Like I said, this is a nano community and nobody knows that we are even here.  There has never been an economically disruptive anything coming out of the forums in the past five years.  There are no handlers, and no death squads ready to pounce on the next person to show their spinny pulse motor or Joule Thief.  It's just a silly fantasy that calls into question your rational throught processes.

Just debate and have fun without the cloak and dagger stuff and the impending doom and the Rapture stuff, please.  When I think about it, the online "impending doom" community must be at least 100 times the size of the free energy community.  Perhaps you have some buddies in that community and you trade in soybean and pork belly and coffee futures?  lol

Anyway, I will leave you guys and gals to discuss chem trails.

MileHigh

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Re: (Poll) Chemtrails during federal government shutdown?
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2013, 08:39:03 AM »
TechStuf,

Well said.  You have a way with words!

More potential fuel for the fire.

 

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