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Author Topic: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.  (Read 233256 times)

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #420 on: January 01, 2014, 05:32:13 PM »
I had no prior experience holding something that is attracted to a magnet (a piece of iron, another magnet, a coil with an iron core, a coil with a magnet stack core)  near a spinning magnet with my fingers. And if you do that you feel this "rattle" or "vibration". And this rattle and vibration increases and diminishes with the distance from the spinning magnet. And there is a certain distance where the effect is very fine (but you still feel it) and the rotor seems to stay at a stable speed. This happens because your fingers are very sensitive and the rotor speed change is not visible without very good instruments.

This "rattle" or "vibration" occurs because the spinning magnet offers a cyclical changing magnetic field to the "thing" (if it is attracted by the spinning magnet). This is also the reason why a pick up coil picks up a sine wave current and not DC.

So, I was fooled by sychro1's outrageous claims, by my inexperience and by my eagerness to detect something strange. But I am only fooled once by the same fool.

So, I made an error of judgment. But I learn from my errors.

And when building and testing my "synchro coil replication" I did everything as I understood from synchro1, no intentional falsification. And I will do his beloved "one layer synchro coil test" when I find the time. But there is no hurry. I am not a full time experimenter. It is just a hobby and I do experiments only every now and then. And I do things that I find interesting (for whatever reasons). I do not take orders from others. But I like suggestions, clarifications and corrections from others (as long as they have some real experience), because I want to learn. And believe me, I would very much like to see something extraordinary. But that is more difficult than expected. In this respect I was really naïve.

Synchro1, may be you can be less aggressive, less vindictive and less misguided by wrong concepts in 2014? Nobody is sabotaging anything or anybody. Nobody is in a conspiracy against you. Calm down, stay cool, and have a happy new year.

Greetings, Conrad


This experiment is very, very easy to succeed at. I simply slip two 1" radial magnets into the core of a plastic Radio Shack magnet wire spool lightly wrapped, and position it where it vibrates. The output goes through the roof. You have to be a real "Turkey" not to get that to work.  


Your magnets are not very strong compared to the one's I use. You were instructed by me to merely wrap some plastic tape around your radial magnets, not build a "Taj Mahal" to intern it in for starters. All that's left to do is just to lash wrap a little wire on it. This is a two minute job!

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #420 on: January 01, 2014, 05:32:13 PM »

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #421 on: January 01, 2014, 07:01:40 PM »
@Mags: May be it is sufficient to wind a bifilar pancake coil which rings at a higher harmonic to the rotor frequency?

Example:

- bifilar pan cake coil rings at 12.800 Hz (50 * 256)

- rotor spins at 3000 rpm = 50 Hz (I see the 1 AC cycle for each revolution of the "diametrically magnetized spinning magnet" in my measurements)

The idea is to measure the ring frequency of the bifilar pan cake coil (with my function generator) and then to adjust the rotor speed to a lower harmonic (by varying the supply Voltage to the 12 V DC motor which I plan to use in the future to spin the magnet).

Greetings, Conrad

Hey Conrad

You have a bpc that rings at 12.8khz?  I have not seen such as of yet. Maybe pancakes ring lower than a normal layered coil?  How big is the coil?

What I was claiming in the post before this one you replied to, is that I needed 70ft of 26awg in series bifi, multi layer wound on a closed Ecore. I would have imagined that a bpc no core, or even an open core, might need to be large to get to the 10khz I am experiencing with a closed core.

I can get my coil to ring 9600hz by applying 4800hz, but loaded, not much more than 1 cycle gets to the output as the load kills off the unpowered resonance going into the next res cycle before the input influences it again at half the freq. Using the exact freq of the coils res, helps to keep the coil resonance active while loading. Helps a lot.  So hitting the coil with half of its res freq, output is not nearly as high as giving it the same freq. To get similar output using half freq, the input needs to be larger to account for the loss of the second res cycle that is not being driven.

Mags


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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #422 on: January 01, 2014, 07:39:33 PM »
@Conradelektro,


Milehigh asked you to buy a D.C. motor. I want to warn you in advance that the motor's drive shaft will be a different dimension then your magnet hole. I know from experience that you'll find it extremely difficult to attach the drive shaft to the magnet without it wobbling!


My advice to you is to spin a large radial tube attached to a ball bearing at the base, on a concave cosmetic mirror with your current pulse relay coil sensor circuit. This will increase your torque and balance greatly with a minimum of expense and effort. Happy new year to you!

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #422 on: January 01, 2014, 07:39:33 PM »
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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #423 on: January 03, 2014, 04:26:31 AM »
Conrad:

With respect to the load resistor, note that although it gives you the maximum power transfer, it is only 50% efficient because the pick-up coil is dissipating the same amount of power.  Suppose that your pick-up coil is 10 ohms.  So if you make the load resistor 90 ohms then the setup is 90% efficient at transferring power to the load, and the trade-off is that you transfer much less power as compared to the matched load resistor.  In mains power distribution it works like this.

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #424 on: January 04, 2014, 01:34:05 PM »
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Therefore the "safe" measurement protocol is to treat the spinning magnetic rotor as a near-constant-RPM device.  You are aware that the mechanical output power of the DC motor is equal to the mechanical output power of the spinning magnetic rotor.  However, you cannot easily measure this mechanical output power in your testing.  Ultimately this is not an issue since you only want to compare the performance of different pick-up coil configurations.  Hence the idea of the spinning rotor as a "device that spins at a constant RPM under different pick-up coil loads."  That gives you a constant-RPM reference for testing the pick-up coils.  You "do not know" what the mechanical output power is but that's okay because you don't need to know it.
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MileHigh

@MileHigh: I build a contraption with a 12V motor (see the photo and specs, eventually I bought the one depicted and not the one mentioned in my former post, the price was 9.-- EUR). And it behaves as you say, a device that spins the magnet with a specific rpm (depending on supply Voltage) even under considerable load. I will do more tests coming week. Thank you for your explanations.

The coil measurements with my vertical model and with this new contraption match (under the same conditions: rpm and distance from spinning magnet, the spinning magnets are the same type in both "machines").

@Mags: I did not wind a bifilar pan cake coil yet. I just stated an idea when writing about spinning the magnet at a lower harmonic of the bifilar coil.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #424 on: January 04, 2014, 01:34:05 PM »
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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #425 on: January 04, 2014, 04:48:41 PM »
Synchro1:

Here is Igor's second clip again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzNjAs3-9LA

Look at the left digits on the power supply showing the current draw of the setup.   When Igor inserts the ferrite rod into the core of the coil tell us if you see the current increase.   When he removes the rod tell us if you see the current decrease.

Note also that he is most likely crippling the usefulness of the ferrite rod by attaching the magnets to it.  Chances are the LEDs would have gotten much brighter if he inserted the ferrite rod alone without the attached magnets.  Notice however that he never makes that test, he failed to do an A-B comparison of rod with magnets vs. rod without magnets.  Naturally without making that test there is a possibility that you could lead yourself down a garden path and make incorrect conclusions and inferences.  The more information you have to work with the better off you are and the better your understanding of your test setup.

MileHigh


Those very tiny incremental changes on the display can't account for the blazingly bright increase in LED intensity! Igor states that there's an overall increase in voltage and current output, and he went further to report a rotor acceleration as well. He starts the video by visually by speeding the rotor up while holding the magnatized ferrite close to the rotor. You can very easily see the ferrite chasing the rotor. Look at the video by Ibpointless2: 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN37ruFKrhs

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #426 on: January 04, 2014, 05:40:47 PM »
@Milehigh,

Have a look at this video on the "Macroscopic Aharonov-Bohm effect":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugxmtT4FUME


This relates to the "Vector A potential" of Dr. Richard Feynman; The vector A potential is not confined to the magnet core, and is located along the axis of symmetry in the toroid schematic below!


Conradelectro sadly failed to harness this charging effect because he overwound his "Synchro coil". 

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #426 on: January 04, 2014, 05:40:47 PM »
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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #427 on: January 04, 2014, 06:29:13 PM »

This video is very informative, and demonstrates self assisted oscillation power output:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsVSMQqCOM


@Conradelectro,


                        At 3:15 in this video, a quote appears that reads as follows:


"Winding a coil or helix now needs a bit more thought! Spin of the "A VECTOR POTENTIAL" and the dynamic movement of it needs to be accounted for.

Quote from the Youtube comment:


"I show the importance of knowing and understanding the A Vector Potential and how simple it is to create a "self assisted oscillation". This set of shorted Self Assisted Oscillating Coils. This can be improved hugely and is possible to be made to self run with this technology. Nikola Tesla, Floyd Sweet, Lester Hendershot, Edd Leedskalnin and Daniel McFarland Cook all knew about this technology. They all used it in various ways to improve their devices"....

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #428 on: January 04, 2014, 07:09:18 PM »
@Conradelektro,


There's one more test you can make on the "Synchro coil" that you over wrapped. Wire a fast switching diode in series with a capacitor between the two coil leads and check the capacitor for spontaneous charging. Please check for this self oscillated charging effect. This is just a ten minute job! Would you be willing to a least try that?


I noticed the fastener nut you choose to connect the DC motor drive shaft to the rotor axle with that large set screw jutting off to one side. That really looks very professional. You could probably get it going faster spinning it by hand! Fine example of precision craftsmanship.


What's that piece of crap have to do with the thread topic?

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #429 on: January 04, 2014, 08:45:37 PM »
Thank you Gyula and synchro1 for your explanations.

To clarify for all readers what synchro1 proposes, I made a drawing of the "synchro coil" (a generator coil).

I do not realy see the connection (the equivalent components) between a "Gary horshoe magnet neutral line / plate near the neutral line" and what synchro1 proposes (the "synchro coil" near the spinning magnet)?

Synchro1 could you formulate your thoughts on the connection between the "Gary setup" and your "synchro coil"?

I understand that Gyula envisions the generator coil on the plate near or exactly at the neutral line in front of a horse shoe magnet (what I call the "Gary setup").

The Piezo actuator sounds great but it is too early for me to go into that. I want to experiment with a "synchro coil" near my two magnetspinners first. May be one has to go back to the "Gary setup" with a coil on the plate and glue the plate to the Piezo actuator?

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: "Gary setup" is Fig.1 to Fig.4 from synchro1's post http://www.overunity.com/13852/self-accelerating-reed-switch-magnet-spinner/msg379824/#msg379824

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #430 on: January 04, 2014, 08:51:32 PM »
@Conradelektro,

There's one more test you can make on the "Synchro coil" that you over wrapped. Wire a fast switching diode in series with a capacitor between the two coil leads and check the capacitor for spontaneous charging. Please check for this self oscillated charging effect. This is just a ten minute job! Would you be willing to a least try that?

I noticed the fastener nut you choose to connect the DC motor drive shaft to the rotor axle with that large set screw jutting off to one side. That really looks very professional. You could probably get it going faster spinning it by hand! Fine example of precision craftsmanship.

Synchro1: I am willing to try. Well knowing that it will not please you, whatever I do, because you want the impossible.

What I do not understand is why you are always that spiteful, seems to be a habit of yours. I know that there is a better way of coupling a DC motor to a an other axis, it was just a first test of the concept. And it is sufficient to turn the magnet at a known rate. Why do you think that a precise measurement done at e.g. 2400 rpm reveals less than doing it at e.g. 24000 rpm? Turning speed is just a parameter, and if this parameter is the same in comparative tests, its value does not matter.

You also seem to always misunderstand strange videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsVSMQqCOM

There is no energy created in this video, the experimenter puts in 12,6 V at 1.1 A (~12 Watt) into his strange transformer. Lighting the small lamp with 12 Watt is no great feat and proves nothing. There are hundreds of videos in YouTube where the input becomes less when doing strange things with a transformer or drive coil. But the overall input always is very high and the output (electricity or torque) very low.

It has something to do with the Z value (impedance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_impedance). The resistance can go higher and such the input lower. Voltage / current ratio is only trivial for a DC current not for an AC current going through an inductor. If the phase angle changes (by doing something strange to a transformer) the input can become lower (but there is no gain concerning the much lower output).

I am currently trying to understand the "complex nature" of inductors and capacitors, and it is a steep learning curve. Something you seem to want to avoid.

There is something you might want to learn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impedance_matching

And concerning crap, you seem to be the master of it.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #431 on: January 04, 2014, 08:57:43 PM »
@Conradelektro,

Here's a quote from Dr. Richard Feynman:

"Winding a coil or helix now needs a bit more thought. Spin of the A vector potential and the dynamic movement of it needs to be accounted for".

Compare the coil in your schematic at the bottem with the "MOBY JOB" you delivered at the top!

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #432 on: January 04, 2014, 10:57:58 PM »
Conrad:

That's a nice looking first setup.  I hope that you have fun with the DC motor and look forward to seeing what kinds of tests you end up doing.

Synchro1:

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Those very tiny incremental changes on the display can't account for the blazingly bright increase in LED intensity!

We both know that you have no measurements to back up that claim.  Why don't you try being real?

The video by Ibpointles2 shows something that we have seen on hundreds of clips by now.  There is nothing special and it is a known and explainable phenomenon.

MileHigh

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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #433 on: January 04, 2014, 11:17:00 PM »

Quote from Conradelektro;

Synchro1: I am willing to try. Well knowing that it will not please you, whatever I do, because you want the impossible.

The A vector potential is not impossible to harness. There's a vibrating frequency of magnetism that's a constant throughout the Universe, like the speed of light. It's measured at 7.8 hertz in the Earth's field due to impedence in the atmosphere and known as the Schumman constant. This vibration produces a spin outside the magnet core even when the magnets are stationary. The only way you can not measure this output in your "Synchro Coil" is to get the polarity of the diode or capacitor mixed up. You only have a limited number of permutations to work through before you get it right. Just get some clip wires out, and make sure the insulation is cleaned from the ends of the coil leads. Try and test for coil wire polarity with your multi-meter in advance. Polarity makes a difference; If you can't determine which end is positive, you'll have to try a hit and miss approach. It shouldn't take long before you notice a charge climbing on the capacitor in very low range. The worst case scenario would involve stripping wire off the coil as a last ditch attempt, until a charge appears in the capacitor. We can re-engage in a fruitful dialogue once you establish the authenticity of this phantom "COOK EFFECT" force for yourself. I am not trying to hoodwink you, this is not a hoax!

On our Planet, the Bloch wall has a frequency of ten to the twelfth power hertz. This wave length is between short radio waves and infra red radiation!
 
                            "THE FREQUENCY OF THE BLOCH WALL IS ONE TERAHERTZ".
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Re: Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.
« Reply #434 on: January 05, 2014, 08:05:37 AM »
Synchro1:

Your posting #837 is filled with silly nonsense and gibberish.  It's getting tiring.  It's a disservice to everyone to read that kind of stuff.  The "A field" is just bunk.  You linked to a clip where a guy lights up a small incandescent and makes some crazy claim.  All that he did when he shorted the coil was to change the AC impedance of the setup so the bulb became brighter.  You linked to a clip where a dude thinks he has made a connection between quantum effects and a bar magnet.  He is unable to explain why the nails are attracted to the ends of the bar magnet and not the center.  That puts him in pre kindergarten when it comes to electronics.

I hope that Conrad does some of the tests that you requested to see if any of your fantastic claims are true.  If they turn out to be not true (which is what will happen) then we will see if you have the character to come back and be a man and admit that you were wrong.

MileHigh

 

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