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Author Topic: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks  (Read 115404 times)

Offline gotoluc

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #75 on: November 12, 2013, 06:30:46 AM »
The Valy machine is just as bad if not worse.  It's nothing more than a small electric motor powered from the mains, and then he switches over to the large electric motor powered from the mains.  There is a three second interval where there is no power applied.  It's just a con to get wire transfers of down payment money.  The guy will never deliver anything.  It's just another variation on the Nigerian email scam industry where if you give them all of your banking information including a copy of your signature, you will make hundreds of thousands of dollars in "assisting" a government financial transaction.  The reality is that they will clean out your bank account.

MileHigh

Hi MileHigh

To me this device looks real and would operate on reactive power (90 degrees phase shift of voltage & current) between PM Alternator (power source once looped) and Induction motor (prime mover)

The flywheel is not a source of energy but is there to store momentum when he switches to loop mode and also to keep the device running when a high current demand hits the Alternator as a reactive power condition can easily be disturbed. As you can see in the video he even needed a few tries to get it going.

Please tell me (short simple explanation) why this would not work

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #76 on: November 12, 2013, 07:01:09 AM »
(raises hand)

"Conservation of Energy?"

(auditorium cracks up laughing...)

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #77 on: November 12, 2013, 07:12:40 AM »
TK
check you PM will you lol
If you reply to my last one I have an update taht will put a smile on your face
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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #77 on: November 12, 2013, 07:12:40 AM »
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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #78 on: November 12, 2013, 08:07:48 AM »
(raises hand)

"Conservation of Energy?"

(auditorium cracks up laughing...)

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Hi TinselKoala,

You always make me laugh with your sense of humor ;D

but seriously, you can also tell me why you think reactive power would not work!

Luc

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #79 on: November 12, 2013, 08:38:42 AM »
Hi TinselKoala,

You always make me laugh with your sense of humor ;D

but seriously, you can also tell me why you think reactive power would not work!

Luc
Hi Luc

Where would this reactive power come from-the motor itself?
Here is the problem with reactive power.
In an AC motor, reactive power dosnt present a load to the motor,however it dose apply a load to a generator. As we need both a motor,and a generator to run the motor,we can asume in a best case scenario that the net gain would be 0. But as we have heat and resistances,then the reactive power output would be lower than the needed power to run the motor.
Another thing is,how would you collect this reactive power?,if reactive power is the power that flows between the inductive windings.If we place more windings between the inductive windings,and try to draw from them,then we get the lenz force effect-game over.

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #80 on: November 12, 2013, 02:48:22 PM »
Looks to me like it's based on the Bedini Watson motor of 1984, so it's patent free (if Bedini patented it).
Romero, do you have any plans to visit Romania in the near future?
Most of us would trust your opinion.
Thanks for posting the link.
Hi a.king21,

just came back from Romania not long ago and I might go again for Easter.
Where this guy lives is very far from my home there.
I have seen one of these in operation (not this one) and it did work but the generator part was modified and I don't know what exactly.
I have tried myself to see if it can be done but no good results so far, check here to see my attempts... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8La5RaNWA

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« Reply #81 on: November 12, 2013, 04:07:01 PM »
Hi Luc

Where would this reactive power come from-the motor itself?

No, I think it is sent to the motor.

Here is the problem with reactive power.
In an AC motor, reactive power dosnt present a load to the motor,however it dose apply a load to a generator. As we need both a motor,and a generator to run the motor,we can asume in a best case scenario that the net gain would be 0. But as we have heat and resistances,then the reactive power output would be lower than the needed power to run the motor.

As I have suggested above, the permanent magnet alternator creates the power for the induction motor (prime mover). However, there is something between the two which converts the alternators power to reactive power so the induction motor (load) doesn't reflect back to the alternator. Interestingly I have mentioned this twice (in earlier posts) that there an unusual electrical component on this device and no one is saying anything.
As for the loses, I'm quite sure the alternator is a 3 phase 600vac and the induction motor is at most is one phase 220v and maybe even 120v. So even if there are loses the alternator voltage is many times higher and could compensate for it.

Another thing is,how would you collect this reactive power?,if reactive power is the power that flows between the inductive windings.If we place more windings between the inductive windings,and try to draw from them,then we get the lenz force effect-game over.

I have a small reactive circuit which I've been working on for some time now to study the effects of reactive power. At this time I can pull over 15 watts (resistive load) of power from it and it doesn't reflect back (Lenz free). So, I think it's possible to upscale this and that's why the unusual electrical component on Valy's device struck me.

Luc

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #81 on: November 12, 2013, 04:07:01 PM »
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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #82 on: November 12, 2013, 04:54:12 PM »
No, I think it is sent to the motor.

As I have suggested above, the permanent magnet alternator creates the power for the induction motor (prime mover). However, there is something between the two which converts the alternators power to reactive power so the induction motor (load) doesn't reflect back to the alternator. Interestingly I have mentioned this twice (in earlier posts) that there an unusual electrical component on this device and no one is saying anything.
As for the loses, I'm quite sure the alternator is a 3 phase 600vac and the induction motor is at most is one phase 220v and maybe even 120v. So even if there are loses the alternator voltage is many times higher and could compensate for it.

I have a small reactive circuit which I've been working on for some time now to study the effects of reactive power. At this time I can pull over 15 watts (resistive load) of power from it and it doesn't reflect back (Lenz free). So, I think it's possible to upscale this and that's why the unusual electrical component on Valy's device struck me.

Luc

Quote: I have a small reactive circuit which I've been working on for some time now to study the effects of reactive power. At this time I can pull over 15 watts (resistive load) of power from it and it doesn't reflect back (Lenz free).

Mmm,careful on this one Luc,some one here will be all over this like a bad rash lol.
I too have a transformer that shows no reflection on the P/in when the output is loaded-BUT this is only with a resistive load on the output-same as your load. But when i place a resistive inductive load on the output,in way of an electric motor-all hell breaks loose. P/in go's ski high. This is something you should try with your setup,and see what happens to the P/in,as your reactive power will be driving a resistive/inductive load-in the form of the electric motor.

The other thing to take into concideration is-how much power are you consuming to create this 15 watts of reactive power?.

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #83 on: November 12, 2013, 04:58:39 PM »
the new red special box is a decoy, the real 'special box' is the blue Welder K100

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #84 on: November 12, 2013, 05:55:34 PM »
Hi RomeroUK,   Thanks for jumping in here.   I am assuming you can speak Romanian as I recall you lived there before.   Maybe you could give this inventor a call if you can't visit him although a visit would be great.   I think if you got him on the phone with your knowledge you could get a good feel for what he has and if it's really valid.    Although I wouldn't trust his way of selling this I think he may have something valid.   I am guessing that his 'white box' is some sort of variable-frequency drive (VFD) controller commonly used with larger AC motors.   

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« Reply #85 on: November 12, 2013, 06:32:58 PM »
Hi RomeroUK,   Thanks for jumping in here.   I am assuming you can speak Romanian as I recall you lived there before.   Maybe you could give this inventor a call if you can't visit him although a visit would be great.   I think if you got him on the phone with your knowledge you could get a good feel for what he has and if it's really valid.    Although I wouldn't trust his way of selling this I think he may have something valid.   I am guessing that his 'white box' is some sort of variable-frequency drive (VFD) controller commonly used with larger AC motors.
Hi e2matrix,
I do speak the language, is my mother language, I was born there.
I did contact him but I didn't get much more info. He is saying that who is interested to go there and see it in action.
For less than £200 anyone interested can get a return plane ticket and go there (UK-Romania).
There is something in this last movie that I am not happy with but I will leave MileHigh to discover and spread the word... :)

Regards,
Romero

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
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« Reply #86 on: November 12, 2013, 06:43:52 PM »
Thanks for additional info.   I also have some thoughts on that latest youtube he did.   My concern is the extra boxes he has on the unit which could be housing fairly big batteries.   However I still want to give him the benefit of the doubt until someone can visit him and check it out up close.    I got the info below roughly translated by Google translate and myself from a picture you had from him (I assume off his web site).   He seems to have a good guarantee on his device and appears he is strongly protecting his 'secret' based on the text below:


Below was OCR'd from an image and then translated roughly but there were unreadable portions neither I nor GT could get. 


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« Reply #87 on: November 12, 2013, 07:49:59 PM »
Quote: I have a small reactive circuit which I've been working on for some time now to study the effects of reactive power. At this time I can pull over 15 watts (resistive load) of power from it and it doesn't reflect back (Lenz free).

Mmm,careful on this one Luc,some one here will be all over this like a bad rash lol.

My post was inviting him to come play, so I don't have a problem with it. I must say I curious as to why he didn't take the invitation ???

I too have a transformer that shows no reflection on the P/in when the output is loaded-BUT this is only with a resistive load on the output-same as your load. But when i place a resistive inductive load on the output,in way of an electric motor-all hell breaks loose. P/in go's ski high. This is something you should try with your setup,and see what happens to the P/in,as your reactive power will be driving a resistive/inductive load-in the form of the electric motor.

Yes, I did see your magnet core transformer. Seems to be quite close to unity.  I just don't know how accurate the current meter reading on the return to battery with pulses in the kHz range?

Yes, insert an Inductor and everything changes!... but don't worry about that, if you have something working on resistive loads only, that's fine as there's other ways to extract power. Keep up the great work.

The other thing to take into concideration is-how much power are you consuming to create this 15 watts of reactive power?.

Yes, of course that needs to be considered

Luc

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #88 on: November 12, 2013, 09:21:43 PM »
!!BANG!!-got him

The machine is a fake,and the proof is in the video-he has shot himself in the foot.
We needed to find signs that the power was being drawn from the grid,and i did.

Watch the video in full screen(even in normal size),and pay carful attention from 7.45 when he unplugs the electric motor. You will see the lights(lighting) gets brighter,and when he switches over to (so called) self running mode-the lights (lighting) suddenly dim.

!!GAME OVER!! ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qa3MmdqdQ0

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #89 on: November 12, 2013, 11:06:52 PM »
Why is there a heavy cable coming out of the device's frame itself?

@gotoluc: there isn't much I can add to tinman's explanation. Also... voltage is not power, as you know, so a step-up in voltage doesn't necessarily mean a step-up in power. The huge capacitor, with the High-Voltage multi-kV standoffs but "220 V" painted on it, is kind of hilarious too. Unless the presenter moves the apparatus to show that there isn't any connection to outside power.... there isn't any point in getting all excited about anything.

When someone goes to visit, the device will be torn down for repair, awaiting a replacement part that failed just before the visitor's taxi arrived... and which will be delivered just after the visitor has to leave for home. Or the visitor will not be allowed to do a full inspection.

Steorn, Mylow, Chuckie Pierce, Yildiz, Wayne Travis... the list of cynical fakers who invite people to come and look, but never actually show the visitors what they claimed to be able to show, goes on and on. If anyone does decide to travel, be sure to get, in advance, a statement of just exactly what will be shown, and an agreement to some kind of financial penalty in the event that what is promised is not shown for _any_ reason other than the visitor simply not showing up.
I predict that if the visitor puts this simple condition on the visit... the invitation to visit will disappear.

@markdansie: I must have missed another PM, I'll check and see. Thanks again!



(ETA it's never a good idea to look at the arc from an arc welder without protective goggles on. Especially if you are wearing contact lenses.)


 

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