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Author Topic: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks  (Read 115402 times)

Offline Temporal Visitor

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #45 on: October 07, 2013, 03:59:28 AM »
Hello Vince,

Hey Guys
If you are following this thread, please take the time to view Temporal Visitors site more thoroughly.

Very nice, I could not have written it any more clearly. Page skimming will not allow you to see what is freely presented in an effort to HELP you all.

I think you will see that he is not asking for money or anything else. In fact he's is freely sharing his experience and knowledge on the subject.

What is asked for is your help to go  further.  Though not complete, anyone can find a rough idea for help is laid out. Few even click on any of that. Think carefully as you read "Helping Hands" and the  underlying pages, know that alone no man can do it all. - Not a one of you - us - or myself. Read it all - even the parts of  it many of you reject.

His design is openly displayed with many details albeit sometimes in low resolution. The machine he has constructed is quite impressive and shows someone who has put a lot of thought, work and money into it.

I design and build machines for a living - this cost me plenty - doing websites is not my specialty. Low res for several reasons, primarily software related. Anyone care enough to volunteer their help???

@ Temporal visitor,
Thankyou  for sharing your design and information but I'm sure that a few questions answered might help us better understand. Why did you scavenge the machine for parts? Was it for an improved design? when the machine did run did it self power?

You are very welcome. (A refreshing reply for a change, thanks Vince.)

Why? = Because the "ELE" like every design has been a test bed and learning tool. Not a "final production" unit. Each has provided challenges and realizations/revelations that caused and causes revisions.  Revisions on top of revisions are not always pretty. The ELE was scavenged for the more expensive parts to be reused in subsequent designs, why buy them over and over. The main problem with the ELE is not a lack of "power", "force", "energy", "output"  but rather TOO MUCH. So much so that it was breaking mechanical parts.

Was? = Yes, many things were learned and a complete redesign (actually many) were done, built and also tested, the results were similar.

When? = Yes and no. Yes because it did have the "energy" to do so, No because it lacked several KEYS that are required to do so, and those KEYS were not even recognized at that time.

It, Gen-E-Sys II is a technology not a device. All efforts have been and remain toward a production worthy unit that is practical.

As I understand it, what you are basically telling us that the secret to self powering machines is in the simple lever and flywheel.  Your solution as I have perceived it is to rotate a heavy flywheel with a motor and extract power from it in pulses by using cleverly designed links or levers to tap the energy at specific points in rotation. You do this in various stages and isolate the load from the prime mover in doing so.

You are sharp, but no - know it is not just lever and flywheel. They are major KEYS that need to be understood before moving forward, and why I chose to provide the basic flywheel calculator first. Nor am I clever - I just work hard - and frankly it is getting harder to continue.

It's a clever notion but not entirely unique.  The pendulum pump uses a method not too different from yours in that a large pendulum (flywheel) moves an axel in and out and taps the out stroke momentarily to operate a pump thereby using a pulse of the energy to power a pump.  The pendulum is kept moving with relatively less energy than would be required to operate the pump from human input.

Concerning the "ELE" I agree, it is straight forward physics - common sense - classical mechanics - using off the shelf motors, generators and other parts. The advanced designs: well, they are something(s) entirely different.

I am truly fascinated by your design and hope you will share more information on your build and it's performance.

Vince, so you know: I am honored, and impressed by your reply (several others also) and I truly hope more will follow your example and style. I have given what I can.
Share more = Think: "Helping Hands" and as you look at the photo of the old man, sitting alone, ask yourself: How much can one man give?
Everyone wants something different. - Sharing works best as a two way street.
Please make "Contact" on the site for more information.

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Offline e2matrix

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2013, 04:11:18 AM »
vince,  great to see you here!    For info for Temporal Visitor,  vince was part of a group that was involved in investigating another motor generator from a somewhat mysterious person who suddenly disappeared shortly after I put a web site forum together at his request so we could work in a semi-private group with that person.   vince was in that group and probably did more toward building and trying various motor setups than anyone else in the group.   
I've had some private messages with Temporal Visitor and have been trying to get the time to talk to him as I really believe he has some great knowledge.   I also know some things I won't discuss here as it's personal to Temporal Visitor but I'll just say it will be good to have as much contact with him as soon as possible regarding his work.   I need to get my own butt in gear in that regard too.   

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #47 on: October 07, 2013, 04:20:05 AM »
Beware Temporary Guest! only 6 posts in this forum and you direct us to your website with the intention of receiving money.
Your website pushes open doors.
We are tired of reading long written Journès types claiming to have discovered a new machine and Overunity without providing solid evidence.
Try to collect money unnecessarily is repressible by the law of all countries.
It may be that one day someone will complain against you, it may cost you.
If you're really honest, give humanity that you claim to have invented. If this is still the blank as usual.
LOL,  beware captainfletcher with only 3 posts here telling others to beware of someone I know well from another forum who has only been here a little but is known to me as one of the 'Good Guys' and BTW he is very altruistic IMO and not at all looking for money.   I very well understand where he is coming from in that regard and while I feel I can't openly discuss some of the info in this regard I know he is not a scammer looking just for $$$ .   He really wants to give something to the people of this planet and may need a little help in various ways to do so for reasons I won't discuss here.     I'm not trying to be secretive but he has shared some things with me that I'm not sure he wants public (nothing in regards to how the device works - just personal).   

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
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Offline markdansie

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2013, 06:05:06 PM »
Having traveled to many countries and seen similar devices I can assure you there is no overunity, free energy on this. This is actually a bad faked device. I have seen much better, especially out of Africa.
Kind regards
mark

Offline ariovaldo

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2013, 08:29:28 PM »
Having traveled to many countries and seen similar devices I can assure you there is no overunity, free energy on this. This is actually a bad faked device. I have seen much better, especially out of Africa.
Kind regards
mark


Even knowing that was not possible, I built that using a conventional motor/generator (sculpture)...Guess what?...Didn't work. I tried several capacitor values. Next steps, disassemble it.
Kind regards...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5Njxw-Y2zPU

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2013, 08:29:28 PM »
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Offline ariovaldo

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #50 on: October 07, 2013, 08:29:57 PM »

Even knowing that was not possible, I built that using a conventional motor/generator (sculpture)...Guess what?...Didn't work. I tried several capacitor values. Next steps, disassemble it.
Kind regards...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5Njxw-Y2zPU

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #51 on: October 07, 2013, 09:48:46 PM »
Hi Mark
I'm not sure which machine you are referring to in your comment. Are you talking about the original machine with a flywheel that this thread is about or the one that Temporal visitor is developing? 
I agree that many of the motor flywheel machines are fakes , having built a few myself that did not run. However the machine (system) that Temporal Visitor is working on has a unique design that  really should be explored further.  He himself has said that a mere motor generator coupling ,even with a flywheel will never work.


Vince

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2013, 12:49:51 AM »
Vince:

I am pretty sure that I saw on Temporal Visitor's web site that his machine is up and running or very close to be up and running and it will be unveiled soon.

So I asked Temporal Visitor the following:  "Temporal Visitor you claim that you have a device or machine but it has not been shown yet.  So when do you plan to show it?  What precisely do you plan to show in terms of the input and output for the device?  How do you plan on making your measurements?"

He completely ignored my basic questions.  Yet on his website there is all sorts of talk about his machine including diagrams and a picture or two.   This is not confidence inspiring.

For all I care the machine could be inside a black box, I just posed some reasonable questions and got no answers.

MileHigh

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #53 on: October 08, 2013, 01:44:52 AM »

Even knowing that was not possible, I built that using a conventional motor/generator (sculpture)...Guess what?...Didn't work. I tried several capacitor values. Next steps, disassemble it.
Kind regards...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5Njxw-Y2zPU

Hi ariovaldo,

nice attempt to replicate!... Thanks for making a video of your device under test.

I noticed that you don't have the components in your device that can be seen in Valy's video which I think could be responsible for creating the -90 degrees phase shift between voltage and current (reactive power) condition needed for the motor to turn the generator without causing a load to the generator.

I find it interesting that so far no one has mentioned anything about that unusual component.

At this time I cannot confirm for sure if the principal works but what I can tell you is, a week prior to seeing Valy's video I was doing some tests on a reactive circuit and seeing that unusual component leads me to believe it could possibly work as I've described in my post on page 2 of this topic.

Unfortunately, I will not be publicly sharing information until I have made all the tests to prove it can work or not.
Once I have confirmed it, I will be freely shared the information (working or not) so others can try if they wish.

So until you have identified that component and know what to do with it, your replication attempt may not be complete.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #54 on: October 08, 2013, 02:26:07 AM »
Hi Gotoluc
In the last two attempts I made at coupling different motors to generators with flywheels I got the same results.  I got the units running with the flywheels at high speed and had voltmeters on the generator output. When I flipped the switch from mains to loop mode it always did the same thing. Within a fraction of a second after the switch ,voltage degrades so quickly that no motor could even run for a short time.
I remember seeing a an article (don't remember where) of a person using a(sta-volt) in his system to compensate for voltage decay in the first moments after switching modes. As I understand it a sta-volt is a brand of voltage regulator that can adjust voltage when it drops or increases within it's range.
Could this be one of the missing components coupled to some type of capacitor array?


Vince

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #55 on: October 08, 2013, 03:13:18 AM »
Hi Gotoluc
In the last two attempts I made at coupling different motors to generators with flywheels I got the same results.  I got the units running with the flywheels at high speed and had voltmeters on the generator output. When I flipped the switch from mains to loop mode it always did the same thing. Within a fraction of a second after the switch ,voltage degrades so quickly that no motor could even run for a short time.
I remember seeing a an article (don't remember where) of a person using a(sta-volt) in his system to compensate for voltage decay in the first moments after switching modes. As I understand it a sta-volt is a brand of voltage regulator that can adjust voltage when it drops or increases within it's range.
Could this be one of the missing components coupled to some type of capacitor array?


Vince

Hi Vince,

no, that is not the missing component I'm talking about. Look at Valy's looped generator video and you should see something that is very visible and no one has mentioned it yet.

Luc

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #56 on: October 08, 2013, 03:46:10 AM »
MileHigh

Vince:

I am pretty sure that I saw on Temporal Visitor's web site that his machine is up and running or very close to be up and running and it will be unveiled soon.

I am very sure that is not the case, at the "Helping Hands" page it reads verbatim: "You have been presented with evidence that allows you to decide for yourself the Verity of my “Words” and the Gift being offered to you. There is much more detail to be presented and will be presented first to those with Helping Hands.

With that understanding I ask you to join in and consider giving the Gift of your help in what ever way you might see fit and be able to."

BTW: Since the website went up several months have passed, and I have not seen any email from you commenting, inquiring or offering to help through the "Contact" page, which is my preferred method of initial correspondence . 

So I asked Temporal Visitor the following:  "Temporal Visitor you claim that you have a device or machine but it has not been shown yet.  So when do you plan to show it?  What precisely do you plan to show in terms of the input and output for the device?  How do you plan on making your measurements?"

On the "Contact" page you will find my preferences to "break the ice" so to speak and this: "P.S. Some people may have plenty of time to fritter away, I do not. Know that I’ll read it because there are no stupid questions, just some I will not bother with, Some I should not answer, Some I have no answer to, Some I will not answer, .........." (end quote) and so forth. * * * Yes I can answer those questions - when I choose to.

He completely ignored my basic questions.  Yet on his website there is all sorts of talk about his machine including diagrams and a picture or two.   This is not confidence inspiring.

Do you think I am obligated to supply answers on demand? After all, elsewhere I have read your comments to and about others, their work, devices. It did not inspire my confidence in you. 

For all I care the machine could be inside a black box, I just posed some reasonable questions and got no answers.
MileHigh

We don't know each other and please understand this reasonable answer: I'm not a dancing Bear and I don't dance to every tune played.
No contact has been made, no contract has been entered into, therefore at this point neither of us are obligated to do a thing. 

So I ask: Are you in a position and ready to change that, and make "Contact" though the website according to my preferences ?

Or not?

You have been answered.


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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #57 on: October 08, 2013, 06:30:19 AM »
Temporal Visitor:

Is this the Beatles meeting the Maharishi Yogi in the Himalayan mountains to contemplate Lotus flowers or do you have a box that's supposed to output free mechanical energy?

I'm not getting any harmonic vibrational messages from the five perfect solids telling me that you have a Prony brake in your future.

MileHigh

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #58 on: October 08, 2013, 01:31:03 PM »
It's starting to sound all to !UFOpolotics! for me MH.
Looks like i might be up for another replication for testing,as straight answers dont seem to flow to easy from Temporal Visitor.
Although i already know it will be a waste of my time and money.

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #59 on: October 08, 2013, 01:42:44 PM »
Hi ariovaldo,

nice attempt to replicate!... Thanks for making a video of your device under test.

I noticed that you don't have the components in your device that can be seen in Valy's video which I think could be responsible for creating the -90 degrees phase shift between voltage and current (reactive power) condition needed for the motor to turn the generator without causing a load to the generator.

I find it interesting that so far no one has mentioned anything about that unusual component.

At this time I cannot confirm for sure if the principal works but what I can tell you is, a week prior to seeing Valy's video I was doing some tests on a reactive circuit and seeing that unusual component leads me to believe it could possibly work as I've described in my post on page 2 of this topic.


Unfortunately, I will not be publicly sharing information until I have made all the tests to prove it can work or not.
Once I have confirmed it, I will be freely shared the information (working or not) so others can try if they wish.

So until you have identified that component and know what to do with it, your replication attempt may not be complete.

Thanks for sharing

Luc


Thank you for the tips and I'll keep the set assembled for some more tests.

 

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