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Author Topic: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks  (Read 115407 times)

Offline e2matrix

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2013, 06:53:28 PM »
As an afterthought to one of my above questions for valy.   It might be easier for him if we suggested he make another brief video showing the unit running while completely disconnected from external power and then having the unit shut off and then tilted over slightly on each side with the camera showing a closeup under the boards so everyone can see there are no wires going to it hidden under them.   

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2013, 06:59:54 PM »
E2matrix:

Like I posted on another thread:

At 1:03 the guy unplugs the small motor.

At 1:06 the guy reaches over and switches on the large motor.

You can hear the switch close!  The drop in speed that you can easily hear stops.

It's that simple.  He reaches over and flips a switch on the control panel near the big motor.  Look at the way the bench is made, the wire runs under the 2x4 and then it is snaked up the square-tubular frame of the bench.  It emerges in the nest of wires and whatnot underneath the control panel.  So from the start of the clip when he gets it going with the small motor and is careful to not trip his breaker, to the end of the clip, the setup is powered from the mains  power essentially the whole time except for the three seconds when he does the switchover.

That's what's happening in that clip. 

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2013, 07:13:25 PM »
MH,  I just wrote a reply on your thread you started on this but since you are here now I'll say yes I'm aware of all that but I assume he needs to flip the switch to transfer input and outputs to a different configuration once it is unplugged.   Flipping the switch in itself proves nothing.   But I fully agree there is some possibility he could have a hidden external wire under a board.   Even though to me it just looks like a shadow I agree he needs to clearly show it elevated or make it obvious in another video that there are no external wires going to the unit as I suggested in the last two posts I made.   
Have you read the web page I posted back a few posts on how one can get more power from a flywheel?  ( http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/Flywheel.htm )   What are your thoughts on that?   

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2013, 10:16:06 PM »
E2matrix:

I read some of the document and skimmed through the rest.  The stuff about analyzing a flywheel at the atomic nanoscale is not convincing.  Here is where you just trust your instincts and your senses.  Do you think that you can get more out than in for a flywheel?  What about a shopping cart that you push through the supermarket?  Both a flywheel and a shopping cart are just energy stored in the form of moving mass.

The flywheel can be modeled as an inductor or a capacitor.  If you think about a flywheel as an energy storing device that may help some demystify the whole idea.

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2013, 01:56:23 AM »
MileHigh,   thanks for your reply on that.   It was a page I just stumbled across I had saved while looking for something else.   It sounded fair but a little bit out there in some ways.   But it hints at what I've been picking up from other sources regarding flywheels.   I think a much better explanation can be found here:  http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/wpimages/wped62b58c_06.png    and in a lot of other pages on that site.   I think the text from that picture gives evidence of a way flywheels can be used to get extra energy out of a system. 
Because the text in that picture is fairly hard to read due to it's low resolution I took the time to type it out (OCR didn't work on it) :


"5 KEYS OF UNDERSTANDING

THE LIBERTY ENGINE - ELE - SELF SUSTAINING POWER PLANT CONCEPT IN A NUTSHELL

1.  Comprehending Newton's 2nd law of motion.   Understanding that kinetic energy (KE)
QUADRUPLES with each doubling of velocity of a constant amount of mass in motion.

2.  Having and using a system of a SIMPLE mechanics that provides at least two distinctly
different speeds and directions for the mass to travel, with each having a minimum of
2:1 ratio of difference in speed.  Lift vs. Drop, lift to develop potential energy (PE)
position is at least two times lower velocity than the velocity of the mass in motion
traveling to developed kinetic energy (KE) position.

3.  Having and using a system of SIMPLE mechanics that provides a method of capture,
transmission, and storage of developed kinetic energy (KE) in a flywheel rotating at a
designed speed.

4.  Having and using a system of SIMPLE mechanics that provides kinetic energy (KE) to
the mechanics used to lift or recycle the mass back to the potential energy (PE) position
while drawing less energy than is developed by the descending mass and less than the
kinetic energy (KE) which is stored in the flywheel(s).

5.  Having and using a SIMPLE motor and generator in the system that run each other, with
the above mechanics in between developing power to add a designed amount of additional
energy (both PE & KE) that then becomes surplus and such surplus can be drawn of as
electrical power for work outside the system.

Footnote:
  Understanding that if you do not understand what is being revealed, or do not have facilities
  to construct and on your own you can still have a power plant yourself and learn it all by several
  different methods.

   a.  Hire someone who does understand it to help you until you do understand.
   
   b.  Contract with someone to build the parts or an entire powerplant for you."


NOTE:  The above text is not from valy or about the system in the opening post.   It is a system that may have some similarities but is from a different person and web site which I believe has a lot more info on how such a system may actually work.     As stated above it is from here:  http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/   This is OU member Temporal Visitor's web site. 

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2013, 01:56:23 AM »
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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2013, 02:06:07 PM »
e2matrix (and others) please understand I do not know any other way to say what I have written, and the way I wrote it, when I wrote it.

Thanks for recognizing the "5 KEYS ..... " as evidence, because they are. Beyond the writing there were many actual tests done on the very real full scale machines. Several reconfigurations, several complete redesigns and new constructions were done, each time tested and changed to explore the consistent results observed to the limits of my ability and resources. The "ELE" still exists (though partially robbed for parts) in its last version, and remains operable by hand to this day. It stands as irrefutable iron proof, clear and convincing evidence of a functional Mechanical ENERGY Amplifier that proves Man can develop mechanical energy with matter in motion as fuel to achieve output exceeding the original input. Horsepower to do useful work with from matter in motion, without "fuel" as we presently have been "educated" to "understand".

Unfortunately much of our "education" is regurgitated lies Parroted to train new Parrots who then perpetuate the lies. Think: "Birds of a feather ...."

There is much to share, little time left and none to waste.

Truth stands on its own and it is stranger than fiction.

Truth is: "You ain't seen nothin yet"

Hurry up .............. search4truth@centurytel.net


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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2013, 02:45:37 PM »
I will send 30$ paypal to the person who saves every single word of this man, every image, complete site etc, EVERYTHING.

I have to go work now , would do it myself but I will be back in 10 hours and I have to pick up somebody @ the airport.

also, plz save all those beautiful flywheel motor videos, those are super important.

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2013, 02:45:37 PM »
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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2013, 02:48:06 PM »
BTW, never have I seen such beautiful truth, the man who wrote this deserves praise.

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2013, 07:37:30 PM »
ARMCORTEX,   I'll save the entire site for you but please get in touch with Temporal Visitor above and send him the $30.   It is his web site.   I do have the ability to save an entire site.   I may not be able to get to this until later this afternoon but PM me and I can get it done for you if you don't get it yourself first.   I'm glad to see someone else is recognizing the treasure in Temporal Visitor's web site. 

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
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« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2013, 08:12:30 AM »
Irrefutable iron proof! So can anyone make me a convincing speech why I should believe this ? I have seen those videos, I doubt that they were edited and that the guy actually passed wires through concrete,

To embark on this project or not ? The text has so much truth I am aggravated by my pettiness and feel thise person is right.

I know someone who will weld some scrap for me

So all motors can be layed in a horizontal line or any 3d arrangement as long as the pulleys are following the right order. perpendicular to gravity.

Question to Temporal

Unlike all concrete floowsI have floating floor here and neighbor  ( Yes I know, the formaldehyde is killing me ! ;D ). Can the setup reach a point where it is stable from a vibration standpoint ( it has to ?) ?

I'm guessing if its all rotation it cant be that bad If I sit something on a big plywood sheet..?








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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2013, 09:07:33 PM »
Irrefutable iron proof! So can anyone make me a convincing speech why I should believe this ?

"Irrefutable iron proof!" are my words concerning the ELE power plant of my construction. (No videos of it have been released at this point.)
As for making a speech; I am not into making "speeches" per say, since the machine is a thing that exists; it speaks for itself.

I have seen those videos, I doubt that they were edited and that the guy actually passed wires through concrete,

Any doubts I have about the video of Valy's machine go more to the mechanics and lack of certain things. My similar attempts did not result in what I see in the video - but he is or may be doing certain things I have and did not.

To embark on this project or not ? The text has so much truth I am aggravated by my pettiness and feel thise person is right.

Which text? & Which person?

I know someone who will weld some scrap for me

So all motors can be layed in a horizontal line or any 3d arrangement as long as the pulleys are following the right order. perpendicular to gravity.

There is much more involved that simply slapping a bunch of random stuff together. - You need the right stuff and it all must be designed to work together or you will have a sculpture rather than a power plant.

Question to Temporal

Unlike all concrete floowsI have floating floor here and neighbor  ( Yes I know, the formaldehyde is killing me ! ;D ). Can the setup reach a point where it is stable from a vibration standpoint ( it has to ?) ?

I'm guessing if its all rotation it cant be that bad If I sit something on a big plywood sheet..?

If by "setup" you mean the "5 Keys" of the ELE power plant,  concepts of it the answer is NO. - The ELE is and was a learning project. It lead to other types, methods, designs, far more powerful and practical in all respects.

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2013, 01:06:32 AM »
E2matrix and Temporal Visitor:

I spent 20 minutes looking at Temporal Visitor's web site and to be honest it looks quite similar to 30 or more websites I have seen in the same genre.  There is often a lot of philosophizing and searching for the "Truth."  The terminology gets mixed up sometimes.  There is no magic associated with kinetic energy or flywheels.  A flywheel just stores the energy you put into it and then returns the same energy back less friction losses.  It can return the energy back over a long period at low power levels or over a short period at very high power levels (the famous back spike from a coil) and it's just all normal.

Temporal Visitor you claim that you have a device or machine but it has not been shown yet.  So when do you plan to show it?  What precisely do you plan to show in terms of the input and output for the device?  How do you plan on making your measurements?

Thanks,

MileHigh

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2013, 10:25:33 AM »
Beware Temporary Guest! only 6 posts in this forum and you direct us to your website with the intention of receiving money.
Your website pushes open doors.
We are tired of reading long written Journ├Ęs types claiming to have discovered a new machine and Overunity without providing solid evidence.
Try to collect money unnecessarily is repressible by the law of all countries.
It may be that one day someone will complain against you, it may cost you.
If you're really honest, give humanity that you claim to have invented. If this is still the blank as usual.

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2013, 01:52:35 PM »
I dont believe he has asked anything.

Donate doesnt work on the site.

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2013, 10:21:58 PM »
Hey Guys
If you are following this thread, please take the time to view Temporal Visitors site more thoroughly. I think you will see that he is not asking for money or anything else. In fact he's is freely sharing his experience and knowledge on the subject. His design is openly displayed with many details albeit sometimes in low resolution. The machine he has constructed is quite impressive and shows someone who has put a lot of thought, work and money into it. 
@ Temporal visitor,
Thankyou  for sharing your design and information but I'm sure that a few questions answered might help us better understand. Why did you scavenge the machine for parts? Was it for an improved design? when the machine did run did it self power?
 As I understand it, what you are basically telling us that the secret to self powering machines is in the simple lever and flywheel.  Your solution as I have perceived it is to rotate a heavy flywheel with a motor and extract power from it in pulses by using cleverly designed links or levers to tap the energy at specific points in rotation. You do this in various stages and isolate the load from the prime mover in doing so.


It's a clever notion but not entirely unique.  The pendulum pump uses a method not too different from yours in that a large pendulum (flywheel) moves an axel in and out and taps the out stroke momentarily to operate a pump thereby using a pulse of the energy to power a pump.  The pendulum is kept moving with relatively less energy than would be required to operate the pump from human input.


I am truly fascinated by your design and hope you will share more information on your build and it's performance.




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