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Offline e2matrix

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Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« on: September 30, 2013, 07:27:23 PM »
     Since Stefan has now posted a video of it and I don't yet see any discussion here about it I'll venture to start some discussion on yet another self runner.   The video is currently the top video on the main page here.   There has been some discussion at the EF forum on this and I managed to get in touch with the guy.   He has this web site :  http://valyenergistar.ro/    where he is selling this device as well as some more traditional energy systems (wind, solar etc.).   He has a 5 year warranty on all his items.   The video of the self runner shows it needs power from the grid to get started (only about 30 seconds) but once started powers itself and additional devices.   It's shown running an angle grinder (usually 10 to 15 amps), a table saw and a welder all of which have fairly high power demands.   The device appears to be another along the lines of a Bedini - Watson motor gen with a big flywheel.  Chas Campbell's device as seen in Patrick Kelly's free energy book is also similar and I've seen at least 4 other devices over the past few years using similar setups.   


   Valky is the inventor apparently.   I've had a couple emails with him and have gotten brief answers.   He speaks Romanian so I've had to write in that language using Google translate to him and his replies come in Romanian.   So far the only answers I've gotten to a number of questions are that it will be ready to sell in 3 weeks and the cost will be 1.20 Euros per watt (or about $1.62 U.S. dollars per watt at current exchange rates.)   The device appears to be quite heavy and I doubt it would be reasonable for anyone in the U.S. to buy one (if they really work as stated) due to shipping costs on top of a fairly high initial price.   On the other hand if one could buy a small unit and already had an inverter/battery bank setup one could use this to keep the battery bank charged and an average home could probably do fine with a small generator like this except for air conditioning and cooking stoves.   One might realize savings after a year or two.   


   However I'm sure the biggest question is does this really work?    Would you be selling something that does not work?   Sure some people would and probably make a couple sales but the world being what it is now with the Internet you won't go too far without being exposed.   And he does have the stated 5 year warranty.   I'm not sure what laws are in place in Europe or Romania to protect consumers but I suspect one could not easily claim that and expect to sell a bogus device and get away with it easily.   
I personally have come across enough info and evidence that there is something in the flywheel and time control effect that I believe this could be the real thing.   
Some people who have used this concept:
Bedini
Watson
Chas Campbell
French company close to selling:  http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Power_JMD  - believed to be a self looped motor generator
Pete Sumarack (Zero Amp technology)
Michael at http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/index.html
A Russian inventor with a complete packaged unit (I was never able to get more info by email but his unit appears to be one of this type)
This device shown in a video appears similar: http://technokontrol.com/en/products/generator.php
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Geoffrey_S._Miller's_Energybat_Labs
Charles (forget the last name but was recently discussed her in the last couple months - home built unit)
and a number of others who for various reasons seemed to have accidents or sudden reversals after going public with their claims.
There are others some of which may or may not have flywheels but this type of device seems to be the type that most attracts the suppressors (call them what you want, MIB's, Oil barron thugs, or whatever) so I tend to believe these devices hold the most promise for providing real usable power.
Anyone here from Romania?   


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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2013, 07:32:10 PM »
I see this device has hit the radar of www.peswiki.com .   Sterling said on there the price is one Euro per watt.   

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2013, 07:44:57 PM »
Hmmm... I wonder why one of the wooden frame supports is longer and runs under the workbench?  :( Surely if you can make such a tidy unit you could cut two pieces of wood to the same length?


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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2013, 07:55:43 PM »
It looks like a normal motor and normal generator.
There is another video that I saw sometimes ago.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=98aiISB2DNw


What do you think?


The configurations looks like approximately the same.


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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2013, 08:34:15 PM »
It looks like a normal motor and normal generator.
There is another video that I saw sometimes ago.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=98aiISB2DNw


What do you think?


The configurations looks like approximately the same.


Yes that is yet another one I've seen but forgot when writing the OP.   He may have something also but if I recall his method of showing input and output are lacking as he only shows one I believe.   
I've been looking further at the French company I mentioned above.   They also need to start (at least their Prototype 1) by plugging it into the wall for a minute then once running they unplug it.   They say they are working with lawyers in the U.S. to protect IP and have plans to manufacture it in the U.S. after getting complete testing done (apparently so it can be UL certified?).   

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2013, 11:43:39 PM »
Jasondaz2009  has shown  in YT his recent Meralco bill wayback in May2013 and was also featured in Peswiki
 
totoalas :)
 

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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2013, 12:34:09 AM »
Jasondaz2009  has shown  in YT his recent Meralco bill wayback in May2013 and was also featured in Peswiki
 
totoalas :)
Yes I saw that one also and while it looks good it doesn't seem to involve a flywheel.   It does appear he will be selling it in his country and possibly plans too.   If enough of these type machines come out at the same time I think it will be hard to stop the revolution that may come about.   

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2013, 12:48:29 AM »
 Hi e2matrix and all,
However I'm sure the biggest question is does this really work?   
Lights flickers several times during start up – that’s normal, of course. But what’s abnormal is they flicker when the "self-powering switch" it turned on (at 01:08). Go figure…
 
Again, part of the wiring is done through the metal chassis?! And, like tak22 noticed above, the contraption is conveniently placed on wooden boards and, moreover, quite close to the power outlet despite the fact that power cord is several meters long. Also, I’m pretty sure that the wooden board extending under that working bench (and under that wooden box too!) was pure accidentally placed there and nothing is hidden underneath…
Not to mention that if I’ve had a device like that, it is absolutely certain I would’ve started it mechanically. Wouldn’t you?!
 
On the other hand, if you can agree with the inventor for a close inspection (with measurements and everything), I can do it for you  assuming he’s not too far from my location. But please get the agreement; from what I’ve seen already, imho it’s not worthy to spend the time for even a phone call. Contact data is on their site. Oh, almost forgot to mention that their site says that: “autonomous systems will be manufactured within 3 months after signing the contract”.  That’s 3 months not 3 weeks. <Autonomous system>  in Romanian language is <sistem autonom> and <months> is <luni>.
 
Best regards,
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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2013, 12:40:23 PM »
It looks like a normal motor and normal generator.
There is another video that I saw sometimes ago.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=98aiISB2DNw


What do you think?


The configurations looks like approximately the same.
This was done by a fellow australian years ago(Chas Cambell).
25 globes at 100 watts each=2500 watts,but watt meter says 2100 watts-400 watts missing some where?.

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2013, 01:18:54 PM »
Guy's
Please tell me your not falling for this one?.
As tinu said-one short piece of wood under one set of legs,and a long piece that go's under a box,under the table.Motor power cable inside box section,so as cant be seen where it is running-through to the switch and down the leg,then under the board to a power supply i suspect.
Take note of how much energy(power) was required to build the flywheel speed up to running speed. Once up to speed,you now have one large energy reserve.
The angle grinder may be rated at 2000 watt's,but will not draw that much when up and running,unless fully loaded down. Only a short burst of high startup current would have been required to get the grinder up to speed. Using the grinder as he was,would not use any where near it's rated power capacity.Same go's for the table saw-a quick burst of startup current(dampend by the flywheel),then a small piece of wood cut.
Then when he used the welder,you could hear the flywheel winding down quickly-this is why he only did a few quick runs with the welder.

This is clearly a fake-scam,and the warranty would only cover parts-not a Guarantee of a self runner.
Every part in that setup runs at a loss,as far as mechanical to electrical go's.
Electric motor=loss,due to heat disipation and ohmic losses
Bearing's=loss,due to heat and friction
Belts=loss,due to heat and friction
Generator=loss,due to heat and ohmic losses
Flywheel=loss-due to air friction.A flywheel will only ever give back what you put into it-nothing more.

Your first look should be to find where gains might be made. If you only come up with losses(as listed above)and no gains-then you have your answer.

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2013, 04:28:00 PM »
Lights flickers several times during start up – that’s normal, of course. But what’s abnormal is they flicker when the "self-powering switch" it turned on (at 01:08). Go figure…

Hi Tinu and all,

to be fare to this experimenter I must bring to your attention that what you think is lights flickering when he switches to loop mode may not be correct.
The change in light density is caused by the camera panning and the cameras arpature changing for the different light condition compared to the work bench. Notice the light density changes before you here the click of the switch.

Again, part of the wiring is done through the metal chassis?!

Yes, he used parts the chassis as wire conduit!... I would of done the same to protect the wires and make the device look clean. Noticed his shop is clean and organized. So his device will also be made this way.

And, like tak22 noticed above, the contraption is conveniently placed on wooden boards and, moreover, quite close to the power outlet despite the fact that power cord is several meters long. Also, I’m pretty sure that the wooden board extending under that working bench (and under that wooden box too!) was pure accidentally placed there and nothing is hidden underneath…

Do you not think it's possible that one wood support board was purposely extended so to give a little extra side to side support in case someone or something would bump into it?... as he made his frame very narrow, probably to save space and claim it takes a small footprint. The wooden box looks like it has things in it and could be used as a weight.

Not to mention that if I’ve had a device like that, it is absolutely certain I would’ve started it mechanically. Wouldn’t you?!

Judging the size of the induction motor I would say it is 3 to 5 HP so, are you saying you would start it mechanically by hand?... if so I don't think a person can output that much HP
 
From my most recent experience, I would not be so quick to say this device is a fake.

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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2013, 07:22:41 PM »
tinu,  thanks for your response in clarifying some things.  It was in a personal email to him that he said they would be ready in 3 weeks.   In regards to his wood base on the metal frame -- if I had built that I would have also put it on a wood base.   It looked to me like his shop had a dirt floor and the way that setup runs and the weight of that big motor it would probably dig itself into the dirt and be less stable.   I could see it easily tipping over without some long boards attached to the base.   I won't be so quick to dismiss this as fake either.  He has a regular business seling wind, solar and so on.   Does he want to risk his business by selling something that does not do what he claims?   


tinu,  Are you in Romania?   If so don't you think it would be at least worth talking to the guy even if there is only a 1% chance that this is the real thing?   I have seen enough evidence over the last 20 plus years that flywheel based setups may be tapping energy in a way we have been kept in the dark about.   There are a lot of people that have stated this is possible including some very well known and respected researchers / inventors.   

 
I had a friend some years ago from Romania who was a scientist.   She is in the U.S.  and although I've lost contact with her if I could find a way to contact her I might try seeing if she can help out with this as she regularly would visit Romania.   Unless someone else checks this out I won't give up hope on this just based on speculation.   



gotoluc,  thanks for your input on this too.   



tinman, since your in Australia have you ever tried to contact or see Chas Campbell's setup?   He seemed sincere in his work and wasn't asking for any money and wasn't even trying to sell his concept.   Seems I remember it was more of a "This is my free gift to the world" sort of deal.   

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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2013, 10:33:59 PM »
 Hi Gotuluc,
 
I’ve already considered the possibility of light flickering due to panning but it was obvious to me the case here is a change in light coming from the bulb not in aperture.  A change in aperture would affect the luminosity of the whole image not just of parts of it. Here, the change in light intensity is visible in the left side of the image, most notably on the workbench but not on other sides, namely where the light from the bulb is either not casted or is too low in intensity due to distance. Also, it seemed almost certain to me that the camera is fixed aperture (and fixed focal length) but I suspect we are departing from the main subject.
 
However, I made a slight error because time is not exactly 01:08 like I wrote yesterday but fractions of a second before 01:08. That is before panning (read walking) toward the control panel. Flickering is clearly visible on the workbench and simultaneously the sound of accelerating motor is heard. That’s when the young guy turns on the “Mot ON” switch and its sound is there too, although not very clear. Please note there are two switches, the one under the voltmeter is turned on a second later and its sound is more clear but of no relevance here.
 
So yes, I might be wrong in principle but I insist there is strong evidences in this particular instance I’m right. I firmly believe that “Mot ON” switch supplies power to the motor which is taken from the outlet and the incandescence bulb proves it without much doubts imho.
 
Regarding other issues, I can agree with you but not when one pretends he has discovered the creation of energy from nothing. “An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof.” -  Marcello Truzzi
 
By mechanical start I was thinking to a friction device apart from the system and ideally powered by anything else except electricity, eventually a small gasoline engine. That way I could have drove with it into the woods and proving with fewer doubts the device really works as advertised.
 
I look forward to hear from your recent experience,
Tinu
 

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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2013, 10:36:03 PM »
 Hi e2matrix,
 
On issues:
Floor is concrete. Not of the best quality and quite thin and cracked but still concrete.
I couldn’t see a single client in his portofolio so I can’t tell if he really has a business or just a website claiming that.
As for contacting him, I am 100% convinced he is a fraud so I would do more harm than good.
Yes I’m in Romania but I’m in Bucharest and by the phone number they are in North of Romania, some 500km away.
Don’t use google translate for Romanian language. It sucks. Better use Spanish instead – I read their website saying they’ve came back from Spain so presumably they shall speak Spanish. Alternatively, I can help translating your messages (assuming you will not fall in love so to write each other huge letters). PM me if you want it.
Despite the distance from my residence, I still might be able to do a field check in several weeks if you get their agreement for it. That’s the area where I could really help, especially because of my beliefs (of fraud, in this case)[/font]. I have enough expertise  (I’m physicist) but unfortunately not much testing equipment to take with me at their location. But do you really think you’ll ever get their agreement for inspecting the “merchandise” before anything else?
Wanna bet? ;)
 
Best regards,
Tinu
 

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Re: Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2013, 10:46:15 PM »
Hello E2,

Notice you mention; "I have seen enough evidence over the last 20 plus years that flywheel based setups may be tapping energy in a way we have been kept in the dark about."

I'll point out that the "energy" that keeps this type of device (if not a cheat - and I do not judge it) in motion is simply kinetic energy developed in the solid matter of the flywheel when in motion.

Kinetic energy that is converted to mechanical energy and again converted to electrical power.  Of course we know the motor uses only electricity to produce mechanical energy known as Horsepower.

Folks: you are all intelligent - please do not say you "Just don't get it". - you "want data" - if that is true then look here:http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-... find and download the "calculator".
Watch the short 10 minute video presentation about DEVELOPING Kinetic energy & HORSEPOWER.

You can do it also, and I would enjoy trying to help you.

My frame by frame close up review of Valy's video and the suspect board leads me to believe it is simply a board with a side that did not clean up as many low quality boards exhibit the same appearance. I just do not know one way or the other for certain, keep an open mind.

Best wishes to all................. till we meet again. Hopefully very sooooooooon.

 

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