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Author Topic: I need help to get this EV GRAY type system to work  (Read 11780 times)

Offline Tarsier_79

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Re: I need help to get this EV GRAY type system to work
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2023, 03:47:23 AM »
Agreed, the circuit is rubbish.

In this instance, the inverter is most likely 220V @ 50 or 60Hz. You then rectify 60VAC to about 80V Pulsed DC, then basically shorting the 80V to 24V battery.

The problem is the current. Diodes drop about 0.7V, so you are trying to force the 80V to be within 0.7V of 24V....where will it break?

Offline onepower

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Re: I need help to get this EV GRAY type system to work
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2023, 06:30:50 PM »
Tarsier_79

As a general rule most of what we see on the internet is nonsense, generally 99% nonsense if it's coming out of Russia or China.

I like rexresearch, http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
Rexresearch has been around a long time and has been proven to be a credible source for information. It's credible because they show the information which is out there without drama or opinion.

The picture below is from the Gray patent which is the only circuit worth replicating.

AC

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Re: I need help to get this EV GRAY type system to work
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2023, 10:42:29 AM »
Tarsier_79

As a general rule most of what we see on the internet is nonsense, generally 99% nonsense if it's coming out of Russia or China.

I like rexresearch, http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
Rexresearch has been around a long time and has been proven to be a credible source for information. It's credible because they show the information which is out there without drama or opinion.

The picture below is from the Gray patent which is the only circuit worth replicating.

AC
Are you for real ??? any with a degree can see the posted circuit your advising others to build
is full of bugs and short circuits.

Sil

Offline onepower

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Re: I need help to get this EV GRAY type system to work
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2023, 02:09:19 AM »
As nix85 pointed out in his posts on the Holcomb thread yesterday. It's not the complex or mysterious stuff that eludes most people it's the basics hiding in plain sight. You see, there is no such thing as being "objective" when our subconscious mind discards 99% of what our eye's see which is obviously "subjective". It only let's us see what it thinks is directly related to the task at hand based on our own world view but seldom the actual facts of any matter. A real man does not let fickle beliefs rule him but submits to reality no matter how harsh it may seem.

For example, look at the EV gray circuit I posted prior and below, what do you see?. Probably nothing which makes any sense but let's look at the conversion tube labelled as circuit element #14 in the diagram. So we know from the patent the capacitor 16 is charged to high voltage preferably 1kV as a minimum but I found 5kV to 10kV is optimal. The top positively (+) charged HV capacitor plate on cap 16 is connected to the rod 12 in the center of the conversion tube. The (+) HV potential on the center rod 12 is assumed to jump to the next conductor 32, through a carbon resistor 30, then on to conductor 22 then to a series of switches. We see the same thing happening in the expanded diagram of the conversion tube below.

It's supposedly obvious, in plain sight and only a fool would dispute it however it's not even remotely true, it's a deception...

If anyone had actually bothered to see what is actually present they would realize the conversion tube plates 34 are near 50% closer to the (+) charged rod 12 than the opposing element 32 and the resistor. Thus when I built and tested this circuit to scale the arc jumped from rod 12 to the concentric plates 34, through the motor coils 36, charging capacitor 38. The discharge path was then from capacitor 38, through the motor coils 36, to the upper conversion rod 32/resistor 30 and onto the supply batteries.

It's the damnedest thing because I have talked with countless people in the forums who worked decades on this patent who never got any positive results and had literally no idea the gap between 12-32 and 12-34 was different. Look at it, "LOOK AT IT"  in both diagrams we can clearly see an obvious difference in the gaps so how in the hell could so many people completely screw up something so simple?.

In this respect Nikola Tesla's friend Mark Twain nailed it...
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It Ain’t What You Don’t Know That Gets You Into Trouble. It’s What You Know for Sure That Just Ain’t So

AC




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Re: I need help to get this EV GRAY type system to work
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2023, 03:01:20 PM »
Put Don Smith's induction coils next to the conversion tube and compare them. Short HV pulses have something in their transients.

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Re: I need help to get this EV GRAY type system to work
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2023, 03:46:53 PM »
The circuit in the patent must be presented in dynamics, as it would work in a motor. The motor switches all at the right time in the right phase.

About the purpose of diodes 44 and 46  this link:

https://www.mdpi.com/2079-9292/9/8/1292

Diodes are necessary so that the discharge in the switching tube goes out.

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Re: I need help to get this EV GRAY type system to work
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2023, 04:47:24 PM »
alan
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Put Don Smith's induction coils next to the conversion tube and compare them. Short HV pulses have something in their transients.

In the beginning I kept making the mistake of looking at form rather than function. To see a circuit as a bunch of objects lumped together in a group. Each object or element having it's properties lumped together and averaged out. We do this so the calculations are easier but in doing so we also limit our options.

The use of HV impulses is easy to understand. If we send an electron down a wire as AC or DC it's linked to all the other electrons behind and in front of it. This links the source to the load as a continuous stream of electrons and energy. Where an impulse can act like a bullet leaving a gun becoming completely independent of the source and destination for a period of time.

Consider Kirchhoff's Voltage and Current laws which is a simple lumped element model for closed circuits. However once we open the circuit and use independent impulses of energy the laws have no application. In which case the sum of all potential differences and currents does not need to be zero. How could it be zero when we can have packets of energy randomly leaving the circuit and arriving somewhere else a period of time later?.

AC






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Re: I need help to get this EV GRAY type system to work
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2023, 08:12:21 PM »
1. The electron is too slow a bullet, it cannot fly faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.
2. In reality, all circuits are closed, if traced.

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Re: I need help to get this EV GRAY type system to work
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2023, 02:14:08 PM »
The old EV Gray 1986 Promotional Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1VK0UvTb-M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnL4BL_YyPE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2GaAV92eQ0

Something in this video is true, something is an obvious lie.
When he says that the coil is non-metallic, and there is a metal disk on top of the coil, it is clear that this disk is also the core of the coil, although not inside it.
The coils are, of course, wound with copper wire.By the way, with current pulses of more than 1000 amperes, such coils create a stronger blow to copper or aluminum discs than to iron ones.
Similar 100% to Edvin Gray videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fai3Yq3e66c

"Electromagnetic Repulsion by Capacitor"

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Re: I need help to get this EV GRAY type system to work
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2023, 04:57:38 PM »
 ;D

I studied the Edwin Gray tube and didn't understand where the free energy came from.

For Gray Patent #4,661,747 Figure 2, it is said that when 12 and 32 high-voltage discharge produce a spark,
radiation is generated on 12, and radiant energy or cold electricity is received by 34.
It may be that the OU effect appears in this link.

I also don't know what radiant energy is, I don't know what cold electricity is.
I only know that in a vacuum tube, when the cathode is heated and attracted by the positive high voltage of the anode,
electrons run from the cathode to the anode in a vacuum. Electrons can be seen emitting a faint blue glow.

Because electrons cannot move in the air, the radiation of the radio antenna should not radiate electrons or charges from the antenna,
but only drive the charge around the antenna to vibrate.

If the Gray tube does radiate some charge, it is received by 34. Then I think it may be OU in this link.
When radiant energy or charge is radiated from 12, it has nothing to do with 12. And when 34 receives radiant energy,
it has nothing to do with the potential of 34 itself. Just as placing a radio on the ground can receive radio broadcasts,
and putting a radio on a high-voltage wire can also receive radio broadcasts.

Radiation is completely different from induction,
and the amount of induced charge has a decisive relationship with the potential difference between 12,34.

Suppose that 12 of the Gray tube actually radiates out the charge and is received by 34 in a radiative manner rather than inductively.
Then no matter how high the potential of 34 itself, it does not affect the charge that 34 receives from 12.

Suppose 34 receives the charge q.
According to the capacitor formula: U=q/C
That is, the same amount of charge, the smaller the capacitance C, the higher the voltage U.

There is also a capacitor energy formula: W=0.5qU
That is, the same amount of charge, the higher the voltage U, the greater the energy W.

So the charge obtained by the Gray tube 34 is directly sent to 36, and there is no physical capacitor on the line,
only the stray capacitance of the line structure and the parasitic capacitance of the 36 inductor.
That is, the Gray tube is designed for the smallest capacitance to receive 12 radiation.
It is possible to get the highest possible voltage U.

If U is higher than a certain threshold, the OU effect will occur?


Gray Patent #4,661,747 does not seem to be used in Patent #3,890,548.


I look at Gray patent # 3,890,548 mainly to say that the capacitor discharges at high voltage, causing the motor to rotate.
But the conventional understanding is that the discharge time is very short, that is,
the current time flowing through the motor is very short, the rotor only rotates a little angle, the current is gone,
how to continue to rotate?

If you really give the motor current in a short time,
the motor is required to continue to rotate to the next magnetic pole without current.

There may be an option:

The stator core of the motor is made using the steel wire of the past steel wire recorder,
or the magnetic powder material of the recording tape.
The short pulse current reverse-magnetizes such a core material, just like the commutation of a DC motor brush and a commutator.
The electric motor can really rotate continuously under short pulses.
Of course, the coercive force of the material is greater than the magnetic field of the permanent magnet of the rotor.
Sound tapes seem to be easily magnetized?

It is hoped that a small pulse magnetization current can be used to achieve the OU effect.

The above is all conjecture, maybe all wrong. Thank you guys!


Offline onepower

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Re: I need help to get this EV GRAY type system to work
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2023, 06:59:34 PM »
Panyuming
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For Gray Patent #4,661,747 Figure 2, it is said that when 12 and 32 high-voltage discharge produce a spark,
radiation is generated on 12, and radiant energy or cold electricity is received by 34.
It may be that the OU effect appears in this link.

I also don't know what radiant energy is, I don't know what cold electricity is.
I only know that in a vacuum tube, when the cathode is heated and attracted by the positive high voltage of the anode,
electrons run from the cathode to the anode in a vacuum. Electrons can be seen emitting a faint blue glow.

It's strange that many people including many experts don't know what Radiant Energy is when all they have to do is google it.
https://www.britannica.com/science/radiant-energy
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Radiant energy, energy that is transferred by electromagnetic radiation, such as light, X-rays, gamma rays, and thermal radiation, which may be described in terms of either discrete packets of energy, called photons, or continuous electromagnetic waves.

It's easier to break it down, Radiant ergo to radiate or proceed from a source or center outward. Thus radiant energy means any energy which radiates outward from a source or center as waves or particles. However it's kind of a mute point unless we understand what energy is.

Cold Electricity is no different and we should break it down...
Cold- having a low temperature, Temperature-a measure of the average kinetic energy as oscillations of particles many call heat.
Electricity-the behavior of electrons and protons that is caused by the attraction of particles with opposite charges and the repulsion of particles with the same charge.

Put the terms together and we get Cold-Electricity, the motion of electron/protons with a low kinetic energy as oscillations. Simply put, we want to move some electrons in a linear motion but not let them start oscillating as heat. Heat is just a fancy term for jiggling particles which also tend to emit EM waves in the infrared and microwave spectrum. Simply put, were trying to move some particles like electrons/protons without making them jiggle.

The biggest problem I see concerning free energy including the Gray device relates to First Principals. First principles thinking is the act of boiling a process down to the fundamental parts that we know are true and building up from there. So we cannot generalize, lump things together, average them or look at them in a superficial sense. Basically, we start at the atomic or particle level and work our way up.

AC

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Re: I need help to get this EV GRAY type system to work
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2023, 12:38:52 AM »
onepower
Thank you so much!

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Re: I need help to get this EV GRAY type system to work
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2023, 02:02:23 AM »
panyuming
No problem, you got this your just having some issues with the level on which your trying to solve the problem and it's application.

Here is a trick I like to use. I have already solved a lot of these problems most are have concerning free energy concepts however we cannot become complacent and we always have to check and recheck our terms, concepts and facts thus perspective. So when you say radiation or induction I think I know what you mean but I always go through the motions to google the terminology anyways. Then I go through multiple links and compare the explanation of the term and connect the dots between them. In effect we cannot take anything for granted and under no circumstances can we ever stop learning.

Learning; Learning is the process of acquiring new understanding, knowledge, behaviors, skills, values, attitudes, and preferences. Key word "new".

We could think of it this way, free energy isn't impossible it's just the evolution of science and technology. It's like the concept of a cell phone, computer, solar cell or any number of things we know today deemed impossible 200 years ago. So we need to condition our mind to question everything and the premise it's based on relative to what we already know. We could ask, what was the logic and perspective which led to the development of the solar cell decades ago?. How could we expand on the same kind of thinking to move the technology beyond where it is today?.

Free energy is relatively easy however it's like asking a man 200 years ago how a solar cell works. Obviously a solar cell works so what aspect of understanding held them back so long ago?. It was knowledge, understanding and there perspective of how one could apply the concept.

Now I'm just rambling however I hope you can see the direction. Break the conductor down into the material, then the molecular, then down to the atomic/particle/field level. This is where we need to be however many cannot reconcile the magnitude of what is happening on such a small scale in three dimensions. So go as far as you can and when it becomes too much pull back until such time as you can understand it. However this is the level we need to be thinking about this technology whether we like it or not.

AC

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Re: I need help to get this EV GRAY type system to work
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2023, 04:28:15 AM »
panyuming
No problem, you got this your just having some issues with the level on which your trying to solve the problem and it's application.
onepower
Learned!
Thank you so much!

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Re: I need help to get this EV GRAY type system to work
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2023, 09:58:09 AM »
 :)
There may be an option:

The stator core of the motor is made using the steel wire of the past steel wire recorder,
or the magnetic powder material of the recording tape.
The short pulse current reverse-magnetizes such a core material, just like the commutation of a DC motor brush and a commutator.
The electric motor can really rotate continuously under short pulses.
Of course, the coercive force of the material is greater than the magnetic field of the permanent magnet of the rotor.
Sound tapes seem to be easily magnetized?

It is hoped that a small pulse magnetization current can be used to achieve the OU effect.

The above is all conjecture, maybe all wrong. Thank you guys!