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Floor

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Over Unity (how to get there}
« on: September 19, 2013, 09:32:41 PM »
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Re: Over Unity (how to get there}
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2013, 09:55:49 PM »
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telecom

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Re: Over Unity (how to get there}
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2013, 06:02:38 AM »
What is a right angle interaction?

Floor

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Re: Over Unity (how to get there}
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2013, 04:11:28 PM »
oops wrong file

tinman

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Re: Over Unity (how to get there}
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2013, 04:41:22 PM »
Every device runs at 100% efficiency,we only choose to use one of the output of the device.

There is no such thing as overunity-as energy cannot be created. There for,no device can put out more energy than it consumes,which= no overunity device.

Floor

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Re: Over Unity (how to get there}
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2013, 04:48:04 PM »
@telecom

Thanks for the response

I' not an expert on OU (over unity) I don't know anyone that is one.  To my knowledge, no one has a proven OU device, that can be self
looped and power it's self. I am on this board to learn, and to try to discover or invent, such a device.  Conventional science says that it
is a waste of time to seek or try to prove OU.

You question.  "what is right angle interaction ?

First  let me say that I do not know your level of technical experience, knowledge, back ground etc.  You may be more knowledgeable
than me.  I will try to explain simply so that you, or other readers who are perhaps not very knowledgeable will understand.
So please don't be offended if I explain in very basic terms.

1. A right angle is a 90 degree angle.
2. A right angle interaction of a moving object with a stationary object will transmit more energy from the moving object to the stationary
object, than any other less direct angle. example : a bullet is more likely to ricochet off any object (even a small twig) that it
encounters during it's flight, the farther from 90 degrees the intersection is between the objects.
3. Electric currents are generated in a conductor, when a magnetic field moves across the conductor.  This electric current is at 90 deg. to the mag. field direction of movement.
4. Conversely the same 90 deg. relationship exists when an elect current produces a Mag. field
5. A permanent mag. mounted upon wheels suspending it in close proximity to and above a flat iron surface, will roll across that iron surface easier than it can be pulled from that surface.
6. others

I hope this answer satisfies you question.

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Floor

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Re: Over Unity (how to get there}
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2013, 05:40:45 PM »
@tinman

good point tinman

every device is 100% efficient, when considering all out puts.

It may be that creation is all ready done, all else is transformation.

And it seems that all mater is composed of energy, 100% so.

Is OU defined as the creation of energy ?

Are atoms energy systems that are winding down ?  If they are, does it matter to us within the time scale we experience our existence
through ? Where would that energy go ?  how much energy would it spend to get there?  Poor little energies with no homes to go to !

These are of course, only rhetorical questions, that I am not really expecting any answer.to.

Thank for the thought provoking input

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Re: Over Unity (how to get there}
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2013, 06:12:22 PM »
Hi floor,
I would add that it should convert already existing in the nature energy sources into the usable energy.
We learned how to do it with the streams and rivers, wood, oil, coal, natural gas, solar light, waves, tides.
Now we have to learn how to convert the most fundamental force - the gravity.



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Re: Over Unity (how to get there}
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2013, 08:39:58 PM »
telecom is right
energy is here even you don't see it


simple question : do you believe that a piece of wood has energy ? do you see that energy ? no, you need a special case to release it from wood  ;)

Floor

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Re: Over Unity (how to get there}
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2013, 09:17:05 PM »
If one thinks that OU is can't be, then please say so here if you would like to, one time. But then, this is not the topic here. There are other topics here at the OU forum that are not OU topics. 

If anyone wishes to debate the possability of OU, please start your own topic as such.

I might be willing to post there.

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tinman

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Re: Over Unity (how to get there}
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2013, 10:12:39 AM »
@ Floor
Why try and speculate on the impossible-OU.
Would you not get a lot further looking  into the probable?.

You have fact's from which you can start.
1-Energy cannot be destroyed
2-Energy cannot be created
3-Energy CAN be transformed.

There is no doubt that there exist unlimited amounts of energy throughout the universe,and this energy cannot be destroyed-only transformed.
I am quite supprised that no one(including myself) hasnt looked further into the slingshot effect-used to build up speed of space craft around planets and suns. We know this works. It's a mater of taking the available energy provided by nature,and transforming it into something we can use.

We have done this already,in the way of solar pannel's. 60 years ago,this would have been a wonderous device,but today it is only an everyday device,because we understand how it work's.

I guess people choose the word !Overunity!,because we already have many free energy devices-devices powered by nature.

So if we are to use the word overunity,there first needs to be a definition of the word.
Looking on the net,we see no definition from wikipedia-it go's straight to purpetual motion.
So should we make a definition ourself?.

Overunity device>-A device that provides a greater output than the input provided by man.

Problem with the above,is that we already have devices that fit the above definition.

So i think maybe you need to decide what OU is,befor any other plans are made.

Qwert

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Re: Over Unity (how to get there}
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2013, 12:22:34 PM »
@tinman, in reply #4 you said:
"There is no such thing as overunity-as energy cannot be created. There for,no device can put out more energy than it consumes,which= no overunity device."

while in reply #10 you said something exactly opposite:
 "Overunity device>-A device that provides a greater output than the input provided by man.

Problem with the above,is that we already have devices that fit the above definition." (my emphasis in both sentences)
So, where is the truth? When you were more drunk: while writing reply #4 or #10? No such thing as overunity? But overunity devices we have?? Where?

telecom

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Re: Over Unity (how to get there}
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2013, 04:10:16 PM »
I think this device can be classified as overunity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_Robotics#Wave_Glider

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Re: Over Unity (how to get there}
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2013, 05:43:12 PM »
@tinman, in reply #4 you said:
"There is no such thing as overunity-as energy cannot be created. There for,no device can put out more energy than it consumes,which= no overunity device."

while in reply #10 you said something exactly opposite:
 "Overunity device>-A device that provides a greater output than the input provided by man.

Problem with the above,is that we already have devices that fit the above definition." (my emphasis in both sentences)
So, where is the truth? When you were more drunk: while writing reply #4 or #10? No such thing as overunity? But overunity devices we have?? Where?
Qwert
Please read again,and if understanding dosnt come your way,then it is you that has perhaps had too much to drink.

Quote : Overunity device>-A device that provides a greater output than the input provided by man.

You did see the last 3 words,didnt you Qwert?-PROVIDED BY MAN.
Meaning any more than what man put into the device ,has to come from some where else.

I also did not state that overunity devices we already have. This was your incorrect termination.
My statement was-Quote: Problem with the above,is that we already have devices that fit the above definition.
Meaning-Fits the above definition of what we might precieve as overunity.

The system that would fit the above definition-solar power setups on home's,with grid tie inverters.
Man provides so much of the energy,and the sun provides the rest.
More energy being consumed than man provided.

Is it realy that hard to understand Qwert?.

Qwert

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Re: Over Unity (how to get there}
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2013, 07:12:17 PM »

Is it realy that hard to understand Qwert?.

It's not hard to understand. You made some description errors which allow to such understanding. and it is still incorrect: in that meaning, all the generators which convert any non-electric energy into electric, are overunity. What does that mean: "provided by man"? Be more specific. Which definition exactly those devices fit?
You know, it's an art to write in a way understandable to all, not just for the author. And your response to my reply is an evidence that I do it correctly. Or, you are just more brilliant, over me. It would be good if others judge this.