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Author Topic: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market  (Read 22766 times)

Online ramset

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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2013, 07:40:36 PM »
@All
I spoke with a representative from KEPPE today,very helpful and informative person.
There will be some back and forth arrangements made for a test of the
Keppe Motor technology.
 
Will keep you posted.
Thx
Chet

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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2013, 04:19:01 AM »
@Chet
I just need one of there fan blades-nothing more,other that there claimed RPM per watt.

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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2013, 04:36:51 AM »
Well now we have some numbers to work with.
The Chinese company tested the Keppe motor ceiling fan compared to the most efficient conventional ceiling fans of this kind presently on the market (as far as they are aware), and found that it is up to 4 times more efficient, consuming only 10 Watts at 250 RPM.

So 250RPM/10watts= 25 RPM per watt.
Now keeping in mind that this is with there new-more efficient fan blade design. So no indication as to how it would perform with a standard blade,as is fitted to other ! off the shelf ! fans they are comparing there unit to.

It also seems keppe has found a new energy source Essential Energy
Quote: According to Keppe, the process is actually the opposite, meaning that matter comes from a previous, primary energy called Essential Energy

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Offline Farmhand

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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2013, 04:47:38 AM »
@Farmhand: I did not write that anybody has "occupied/plagiated" your idea I showed you only a feedback circuit wich uses your so called "resonant charging"!


The slowakian inventor Pavel Imris works since several decades in this technical area !

This "windings with capacitors=capacitive windings ;) "-concept has been adapted to several conventional motors but the technicians has not been good enough to reach the theoretical-mathematical efficiency point  ???


"You must remember .." this point let me remembering about the JackH-story several years before.
I did not know before your last post about your personal health issues !


 

Sincerely
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No probs lancaIV, I didn't take it that way, the patent document predates my efforts anyway, the resonant charging circuit itself was not the point of the motor circuit.
The point of the motor circuit is to get the benefit of the second phase from one pulse input and to recycle the energy from the magnetic field collapse without tying the mosfet drain to the supply rail directly as well but without a battery. The resonant charging circuit allows that to happen, the increased voltage into the cap to discharge through the motor coil is a benefit as well. If the charging coils inductance was cancelled fully then the charging coils would be in phase and basically just in series with the motor coils.
Mine are lagging in phase to the motor coil and so produce a second driving phase when the charging coil is placed placed at the rotor in the correct position to drive it. Because of the lagging phase of the charging coils the discharge from the motor coils field collapse goes through the charging coils in that phase and is recycled that way.

About the health issues I was just kinda taking the opportunity to explain myself. When I am layed up all I can do is think. But to put thoughts into a device takes effort and time.
If I am to do things I must struggle, is all. It's much more difficult for me to do things and concentrate while on heavy pain killers and still in much pain. I am happy to say I think I
found out what ails me and I am improving rapidly. I hope to contribute a lot more in future.

Oh and it's not my resonant charging circuit it is the brain child of Tesla in the patent "Electrical Igniter for Gas Engines". http://www.google.com/patents/US609250

You can see in the schematic the delay in the phase of the currents in the charging coils. I demonstrated it as well. The amount of phase lag in the charging coil can be altered.

Regardless I am off topic. All I will say further is the circuit has more potential than I was able to show.  :)

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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2013, 05:07:41 AM »
Well now we have some numbers to work with.
The Chinese company tested the Keppe motor ceiling fan compared to the most efficient conventional ceiling fans of this kind presently on the market (as far as they are aware), and found that it is up to 4 times more efficient, consuming only 10 Watts at 250 RPM.

So 250RPM/10watts= 25 RPM per watt.
Now keeping in mind that this is with there new-more efficient fan blade design. So no indication as to how it would perform with a standard blade,as is fitted to other ! off the shelf ! fans they are comparing there unit to.

It also seems keppe has found a new energy source Essential Energy
Quote: According to Keppe, the process is actually the opposite, meaning that matter comes from a previous, primary energy called Essential Energy

A fan should be rated on air moved per Watt. RPM with a special blade it's almost meaningless to measure RPM per Watt. I can take the pitch off a fan blade and make it spin really fast and push less air but that is not an efficiency improvement. Tinman you need an actual one of their blades. I know you already know this, just repeating what you said.

We have always known that all matter comes from primal energy that is not new. Mass is formed by the contraction of the electric poles according to Walter Russell. I think matter is similarly formed from primal energy.

Some think Walter received enlightenment through spending much time on his own.


Does the keppe fan deliver more work output than is done to run it ? That is the question.

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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2013, 05:07:41 AM »
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Offline tinman

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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2013, 10:51:56 AM »
Hi FarmHand
My goal is not to show how much air is moved per watt.
My only goal is to show a motor that can do the same(or more) amount of work as the keppe motor,using the same load as they do. NO P/out, just P/in for a fixed load of the same value.
This is to show they have nothing that the average back yarder couldnt build in a day-afer claiming that it took them years to develope the tech.
Once i have show this beyound any doubt,i will contact the company that is producing the fan's,and sell them mine-after i have shared and flooded the net with my finding's.

Im here to put an end to there bullsh-t ,nothing more,as im sick and tired of these peddlers and there no thrills devices scaming the average person. >:(

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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2013, 11:14:33 AM »
Why so angry,tinman ? ::)
I know that your wish is the competition between the Keppe-or other-motors and your rotary transformer !
And to show them/us that YOUR WORK IS EQUAL GOOD IF NOT BETTER !
But nobody is here promoting an "end of pipe"-technology !


So there is a great advantage to have a great market to optimize the efficiency of all electric appliances/machines and to save natural ressources ( and nerves ;) )!
Take it easy -do not worry and do not hurry up the progress-
for someones months and weeks are nothing compared with decades of solution research and development trials !
 
Sincerely
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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
« Reply #37 on: September 14, 2013, 11:34:22 AM »
Hello Farmhand,
the way to optimize the efficiency of all electricity converting machines is to know how
this micro-/nano sphere process works- that is right !


About this we have these pre-thinker like Tesla and Russell/Schauberger and some other more but the theory only does not change the situation -we need the practical tests and based by this knowledge constructing the prototypes and then the working out from plans for the DIY !


I think that the most part of the energy/power saving are "duty cycle" related,this
technology (included the NASA/Nola-controler) at first used by stepper motors and today promoted as variable speed/frequency drives.


The russian Prof.Kanarev showed this in a theoretical(maths) way and then practical manner as motor-generator concept.
http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers-Mechanics%20/%20Electrodynamics/Download/2349

http://pesn.com/2010/10/13/9501712_Kanarev_announces_self-running_motor-generator/motor-generator.htm
Especial attention:                          ( 7 ) and ( 8 )  :
                              question: only special or common knowledge ?

     From                 V(oltage)    X                 A(mpere)
     to                      V(oltage)   X   pulsed    A(mpere) 
     finally
                 pulsed  V(oltage)    X   pulsed    A(mpere)

Here is the "syntax error" between VDC(without Hz) and VAC(fixed Hz)  and

                          now the:  pulsed VDC(variable Hz)

FM=frequency modulation and AM= amplitude modulation ergo radioactivity ;D


Probably the magnetic coil invention http://www.seanicviewinc.com/ can deliver what they are estimating ! (Then as part of a resonant charging circuit 8) )

Sincerely
             CdL

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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2013, 12:00:49 PM »
Hi FarmHand
My goal is not to show how much air is moved per watt.
My only goal is to show a motor that can do the same(or more) amount of work as the keppe motor,using the same load as they do. NO P/out, just P/in for a fixed load of the same value.
This is to show they have nothing that the average back yarder couldnt build in a day-afer claiming that it took them years to develope the tech.
Once i have show this beyound any doubt,i will contact the company that is producing the fan's,and sell them mine-after i have shared and flooded the net with my finding's.

Im here to put an end to there bullsh-t ,nothing more,as im sick and tired of these peddlers and there no thrills devices scaming the average person. >:(

Yeah Tinman, Sounds good, I was referring to how I assumed they measured the efficiency at 4 x the regular fan, that is still not clear to me. I get what your intentions are.
What I don't get is how they got to determine the keppe fan is 4 x more efficient than the regular fan. The only way it could be fair dinkum in my opinion is if they compare air moved per Watt over the entire RPM range of both fans, or used the same fan blade for both. Here's the thing a regular fan has control to adjust the speed and increase or decrease the input. If only a small amount of air movement is needed the fan can be used on low power. Can the keppe fan be adjusted. My opinion is let them sell it then get sued when or if people find out it's untrue. But I support you.

I guess I'm asking those promoting the keppe fan to give proof of this 4 x efficiency compared to the regular fan. Or at least explain the test and measurement protocol they used to ascertain that figure. Truth is if they did not use the same fan blade for the purchased fan as they did for the keppe modified fan then they surely must have done "air moved measurements". If they did not compare air moved per Watt the determination would not be valid and even somewhat misleading.

As well if they cannot show over 100% efficiency I don't think they have any grounds to claim a new source of energy is being utilized.
They need to provide some evidence of the presence or utilization of any extra energy utilized over and above the input energy.

I don't see any reason to believe it. Unless I am missing something that is.

Cheers

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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2013, 12:30:24 PM »
@FarmHand
Spot on-couldnt have put it better myself.
It seems that those who wish to peddle a product,always come up with some new energy source or theory as to where the extra energy is comeing from. My question is-what extra energy???.

And for those that think im angry-too bloody right i am,as it's not about making the world a better place,it's about lineing there pockets by way of BS.
I guess TK may know the feeling some what,after the rose OU circuit saga. But he stuck to his gun's,and things are now how they should be.
So do we just say-oh well,some one is getting rich by way of lies,or do we expose them for what they realy are?.

So my next step is to source an old celling fan(standard blade) and see how many RPM we can get that blade to spin for 10 watts.If we can get 200RPM with a standard blade-then keppe has some questions to answer.

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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
« Reply #40 on: September 14, 2013, 06:14:01 PM »
Since the Keppe table fan was nothing more than a optically-commutated pulse motor, I am going to guess that the ceiling fan is more or less the same thing, a pulse motor.  There is absolutely nothing here, zero, nada.

Also, when somebody analyzed the higher efficiency claims for the table fan they found that the way they did the analysis was bogus.  The analysis may be buried somewhere in the comments of the PESN archive.  So, probably the same crap is being done to promote the ceiling fan.

As was previously mentioned, using a big fat "electrical energy destroying" resistor for the low speed was a joke.  Ten years to develop that?  lol  (All that they had to do was narrow the width of the pulse to slow it down, but that was apparently too much of a technical challenge for the Keppe cult design gurus.)

Note in the table fan they just bought an off-the-shelf fan blade and glued wood laminate to it to make it look pretty and "natural."  Their talk of some kind of specially designed more efficient fan blades for the ceiling fan is probably pure marketing lies.  Almost certainly they are buying off-the-shelf fan blades.  In a typical ceiling fan the blades are just "dumb" flat pieces of wood at an angle.  I will assume that if you are wiling to pay the price you can find fan blades that are properly curved to cut through the air like a propeller (to move the air, not to create lift).  So you are looking at more Keppe marketing BS.  They did not design the ceiling fan blades themselves and they do not manufacture the ceiling fan blades.  They most likely buy them from China.

The fact that Sterling is having a mental orgasm over this creepy Keppe cult just makes the whole narrative that much more distasteful.  It's not the clockwork of Nature making the Keppe fan allegedly more efficient and getting a "magical boost," it's all just a fantasy fulfillment game for Sterling to keep him pumping this nonsense.

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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2013, 06:36:04 AM »
Since the Keppe table fan was nothing more than a optically-commutated pulse motor, I am going to guess that the ceiling fan is more or less the same thing, a pulse motor.  There is absolutely nothing here, zero, nada.

Also, when somebody analyzed the higher efficiency claims for the table fan they found that the way they did the analysis was bogus.  The analysis may be buried somewhere in the comments of the PESN archive.  So, probably the same crap is being done to promote the ceiling fan.

As was previously mentioned, using a big fat "electrical energy destroying" resistor for the low speed was a joke.  Ten years to develop that?  lol  (All that they had to do was narrow the width of the pulse to slow it down, but that was apparently too much of a technical challenge for the Keppe cult design gurus.)

Note in the table fan they just bought an off-the-shelf fan blade and glued wood laminate to it to make it look pretty and "natural."  Their talk of some kind of specially designed more efficient fan blades for the ceiling fan is probably pure marketing lies.  Almost certainly they are buying off-the-shelf fan blades.  In a typical ceiling fan the blades are just "dumb" flat pieces of wood at an angle.  I will assume that if you are wiling to pay the price you can find fan blades that are properly curved to cut through the air like a propeller (to move the air, not to create lift).  So you are looking at more Keppe marketing BS.  They did not design the ceiling fan blades themselves and they do not manufacture the ceiling fan blades.  They most likely buy them from China.

The fact that Sterling is having a mental orgasm over this creepy Keppe cult just makes the whole narrative that much more distasteful.  It's not the clockwork of Nature making the Keppe fan allegedly more efficient and getting a "magical boost," it's all just a fantasy fulfillment game for Sterling to keep him pumping this nonsense.
It actualy states on the PSN website,that they also have a financial interest invested in the keppe motor-Mmmm???,.

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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2013, 12:54:25 PM »

Comparing efficiency against a fan? WTF.

Now if they said that the motor was 4 times more efficient then the current most efficient motor out there then they would get my attention (other than to rag them) A fans efficiency would be (I am guessing not my field) rated in litres of air moved per watt. revolutions has nought, nil, nada to do with it. Change the blade pitch, shape or length and that will effect the RPM dramatically.

And who is this Chinese manufacturer? Cause we know Chinese manufacturers are absolutely spot on with their advertising claims, They would never overstate the power output or understate the power input, Noooo.

Don't you love it how someone 'discovers' something (like back emf) and thinks they are on to something wonderful. When if they had bothered to pay attention at school they would have learnt it in 10th grade.

Domestic fans are built to a price not to an efficiency level. It would not be hard to beat them. If you can beat them at the same price point then you have something.

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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2013, 04:31:36 PM »
@All
The Keppe group is quite open to sending representatives to the proper Venue [University]
for a full evaluation of their claims ,they seem infact most confident .......
 
It is hoped that some preliminary third party evaluations can be performed to establish the Claims validity and scope prior to arranging the "University" testing .
 
This way we can maximize the use of a costly University Venue.
 
presently working on that .

@Chris
"More for less" is always a winner in commerce.
 
Thx
Chet
 
 
 
 

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Re: Keppe is headed to the big show, First exotic product to market
« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2013, 04:55:32 PM »
Chet:

I know that you have this altruistic character and want to champion groups like this to help them get started.  I realize that you disagree with my viewpoint and that's fine.

But this "university thing" needs to be seen in context.  University engineering labs are used full-time by graduate and undergraduate students.  Sometimes they may arrange for some kind of corporate deal with an aerospace company to do some research and stuff like that.

But if you go knocking on university doors stating that you have a pulse motor fan and you want them to evaluate it you don't stand a chance.  This idea that "amazing discoveries" made on the free energy forums will have universities willing to offer valuable space and valuable time to evaluate them is utter nonsense.

You have a student working on their masters degree and you approach him or her and say, "Can you give me 40 hours of your time to evaluate my spinny pulse motor?"  It's not going to happen.  You think somebody is going to stop what they are doing to do this kind thing?  It's a joke.

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