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Author Topic: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries  (Read 32383 times)

Offline hanon

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2013, 10:51:26 PM »


The thing is - none of us can actually see it - and it's virtually impossible to test - unless you can find a material that's only attracted to one polarity...

how the magnetic lines of flux switch between one polarity and the other at the mid-point...?


It is only needed to have a Hall effect sensor and to measure the field in the three axis X, Y,Z as Howard Johnson did it. He took more than 5,000 readings in each magnet to map its magnetic field in 3D. He explains the method with detail in his book and it is a straight forward procedure.

Roy Davis & Rawls state that the switching of polarity is done in the center zone (bloch wall)y as they explain in his booky where a kind of "8" shape is formed. These are their experimental results.

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2013, 01:17:51 PM »
A video to show all those concepts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWOKefrcpAg

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2013, 01:57:06 PM »
It is only needed to have a Hall effect sensor and to measure the field in the three axis...

Hi Hanon,
  well, the method you describe is better than nothing, but it's like a blind man trying to feel the world with his fingers - not as good as sight. We only get to see the effects - and not the cause.

My feeling is that the standard model has to be wrong - because one field can't cancel * itself * out - it's illogical. The field has to either flip at the mid-point, or it's 2 fields.

I'm going to launch into some heavy theorising: ;)

The fact the the field doesn't rotate with the magnet (see faraday disk) I take as evidence that the magnetic field is caused by a higher-dimensional effect...

A permanent magnet is constantly circulating PURE CURRENT - Amps with zero volts. (The opposite of an electret) A current gives rise to a magnetic field... So current and magnetism are the same thing - just in different dimensions:

ALL mainstream physics accepts the liklihood of extra dimensions. They say these 'extra' dimensions are 'curled up', and smaller than the Plank length. I think they're right, although they've got it back to front...

WE are living in the curled-up spiral dimensions, and the extra dimensions are actually the 'linear' ones... It's just that our entire being is a spiral too - that everything looks flat to us....

Anyhow - let's just go with the version as it looks to us - i.e. like the extra dimensions are the little curled-up ones...

So a permanent magnet contains current perpetually flowing in the 4th(+) dimension(s) of the magnet material. That current is forvever spiralling inwards, in eddys smaller than the Plank length.

Thoughts anyone?

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Offline hanon

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2013, 02:30:49 PM »

Another nonconventional researcher, Marcos Pinel, also proposed (independently) in the 70s a theory where the center point of the magnet has null field.

http://hemeroteca.abcdesevilla.es/nav/Navigate.exe/hemeroteca/sevilla/abc.sevilla/1978/05/21/053.html

Too many independent researcers seemed to arrive to the same conclusion. Could it just be that all they were upon something which is a real fact. There are too many coincidences ...

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2013, 03:06:39 PM »
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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2013, 03:22:22 PM »
@ Hanon
I believe you posted the video below,earlier in the thread.
Most here are saying that the spin direction of the fields change at the center of the magnet(the so called bloch wall),and yet the video that you posted shows the spin to be in the same direction from bottom to top???.Then by simply turning the magnet over,we get spin in opposite direction-but the direction of spin on the north end,is the same direction of that on the south end??.

So which one is it guy's?,dose it change direction at mid point(so called bloch wall),as pictures above show, or dose it remain the same direction from noth to south,as video show's?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMoYEQFhQoc

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2013, 06:19:03 PM »
I think the questions: 'What is a magnet, and how does it work'  cut right to the very heart of physics.

As I said, I think magnets are impossible to understand without invoking extra dimensions.

I mean - what exactly is a 'field' - physicists talk about 'exchange of particles' - but that's just a bad guess in my opinion.

Current flowing in a wire creates a magnetic field because that current is actually running thru *all* spatial dimensions - not just the 3 we can see. This includes the 'curled up' '4th+' dimensions. So we get a curled-up current - which we see as a magnetic field.

Actually like I said - I think the 'extra' dimensions are the fundamental ones. This 3D world is a projection from there. Everything we see is a secondary phenomenon - we don't (usually) see the causes behind the scenes. Also we're the curled-up ones... That's why everything in this universe is a spiral...

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2013, 09:11:50 PM »
Hanon:

Following up on Tinman's questions, you linked to a clip of water swirling around a submerged magnet when a wire makes contact with the magnet.

Can you explain what is happening in the clip?  How does it relate to the alleged Bloch wall in the center of a magnet?  Anybody?

For Tim123:  Let's put the "extra dimension" notion off to the side for now.  Our senses and standard measurement apparatus are perfectly capable of explaining the phenomenon in the clip.

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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2013, 09:36:21 PM »
Interesting observations Tim....I wonder whatever is to be made of them.  It seems there is alot going on down at the 'bloch wall'.  Ever wonder what were to happen if someone poked a hole in several 'blochs' at the same time?  Will the wall come tumbling down?  Who knows, you just might become the inventor of the 'Halbloch' array!  Stranger things have happened.

Put two magnets together end to end, observe the apparent field.  What happens when the two are slowly separated?  Note the effect on geometries and strengths at various locations of the field(s).  There is much to be gained from experimenting with magnets held in close attractive proximity.  Study the rapid gains being made with graphene.  Now imagine commensurate manipulations of magnetic materials.

Of course, we're merely playing a severely handicapped game of catch up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnsta0cwZqQ&list=FL6chcsLXw3o_U9O6Jy5WgHg&index=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBkF6YsvuM&list=FL6chcsLXw3o_U9O6Jy5WgHg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FryZrDKwv_o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FryZrDKwv_o

They're zipping around doing who knows what and we're still playing with our 'blochs'.  And since we're probably all in the 'matrix, why bother putting our heads down to follow a trail of relative bread crumbs, when the real show is above and beyond us...
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRu_-9MBpd4
 
Had to throw that last one in for a bit of  cosmic relief.
 

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2013, 09:36:21 PM »
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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2013, 10:42:48 PM »
Hi MileHigh,

Above your question about the spining bubbles , this don´t have any relation with the Bloch Wall. In the magnetism findings done by Howard Johnson and Roy Davis & Rawls apart from stating that a bloch wall exist in the middle of the magnet they also manifest that the nature of the magnetic field is a vortex or better said two vortexes. The magnetic vortex has one direction of rotation in one pole and the opposite in the other pole.

From the videos that I linked in my second post I don´t know more anyone because they are not done by me. I am just exposing some curious findings

Summarizing apart form the center bloch wall with null field, those researcheres also discovered that the magnetic field creates a double vortex. And also they discovered that there were two kind of magnetic energy travelling in opposite directions but with opposite spin (one form each pole) and also they found that the field strength in opposite poles is not exactly the same. Thus why I said to read those two books. There are many facts which are outside the current theory. All I know is from those books. I trust their many years of research and their thousands reading to map the magnetic field in 3D. Why don´t any conventional -but curious- scientist make the same readings? We usually take as graved in stone many things which are just based in just iron dust put over a paper sheet near a magnet. The iron dust becomes a magnet when exposed to a magnetic field. It is like trying to measure the weight of an object with a scale whose internal parts become more weighted when a object is put over it.

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2013, 11:18:20 PM »
Hanon:

I don't know why they got those strange results when doing the probing with the Hall effect sensor.  However, the Hall sensor will have it's own measurement limits.  Was this discussed in the books?  Also, the Hall sensor needs DC current to function and this may disturb the ambient magnetic field that you are trying to measure when it is not very strong.  I never used a Hall sensor so I am just speculating.  The possibility I am looking at is the Hall sensor's measurements were unreliable were the magnetic field is weakest, along the center of the outside of the magnet.

Just to talk nasty for a second, there exists the possibility that the whole Howard Johnson/Davis and Rawls business is a con.

I tried to look up a magnetic field direction sensor consisting of a tiny magnet inside a set of tiny gimbals but I couldn't find one.  I bet you they exist though.

As long as the iron filings are lightly sprinkled they will not disturb the magnetic field of the magnet in any significant way.

Here is the explanation for the swirling bubbles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fnq8TGbTfE

The "Magnet Flipper" guy made that clip and claimed the "swirling bubbles" were a new discovery or something like that when in fact he had no clue what he was looking at.

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2013, 11:21:45 PM »
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I tried to look up a magnetic field direction sensor consisting of a tiny magnet
inside a set of tiny gimbals but I couldn't find one.  I bet you they exist
though.

Yep.

http://www.indigo.com/magnets/magnaprobes/

And they tell you about the same story as a flashlight tells you about photon packets.

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The iron dust becomes a magnet when exposed to a magnetic field. It is like
trying to measure the weight of an object with a scale whose internal parts
become more weighted when a object is put over it.

Hanon, well put. 

Our current understanding of this reality is rather like an infant's view of the world from inside it's mother's womb.  Man has spent so much time, so much effort, for such tentative steps toward greater understanding.....When so many 'shortcuts' have been designed all around, within and without us.
 
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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2013, 11:27:50 PM »
Why is it that as long as the iron filings are lightly sprinkled they will not disturb the magnetic field of the magnet in any significant way?

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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2013, 11:41:22 PM »
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Why is it that as long as the iron filings are lightly sprinkled they will not
disturb the magnetic field of the magnet in any significant way?

Depends on one's subjective understanding of the relevance of the term, significant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMLPJqeW78Q

So, when and if one is able to peer into the smallest of the small, perhaps we discover how irrelevant our observations of what 'big' and 'small' really are.

Your question is tantamount to asking, "Why is it that when small gravitic dipoles, such as satellites and micro-meteoroids are lightly sprinkled in earth orbit, they will not disturb earth's gravity field in any significant way?"
 
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« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2013, 11:57:50 PM »
TS:

Thanks for the link to the gimbal sensors.  Very cool, I think every experimenter should have one.  You could check out your field from your big Tesla coil if it was sensitive enough.  Of course you could always push extra current through your coil to make the measurement.  Also, very useful to check the coupling between magnets and generator coils.

The ones you linked to looked kind of cheap through, not lab grade.  I bet you there are old lab grade ones from the 1960s that are beautiful.

Not significant would be that the field lines, if they are disturbed, would be displaced by less than 0.5% of their normal distance from the center of the magnet.

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Why is it that when small gravitic dipoles, such as satellites and micro-meteoroids are lightly sprinkled in earth orbit, they will not disturb earth's gravity field in any significant way.

It is a good analogy.  Can someone answer the question though....

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