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Author Topic: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries  (Read 36511 times)

Offline hanon

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Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« on: September 08, 2013, 02:00:06 AM »

Hi all,

In the link below you can download the book by Albert Roy Davis and Walter Rawls "Magnetism and It Effects on the Living System".

http://www.mediafire.com/view/du8271s882xf9kd/Magnetism_and_Its_Effects_on_the_Living_System_by_Albert_Roy_Davis_and_Walter_Rawls.pdf

As you could verify their findings are in agreement with those of Howard Johnson and also Leedskalnin. Roy Davis and Rawls also state that there are two types of magnetism  (one from the north pole and one from the south pole, one of them good for the health and the other bad for the health).

Also they state that the intrinsical nature of magnetism create a vortex with different direction of rotation in each pole. The magnetic flux lines convenge in the center of the magnet creating a neutral zone ( Bloch Wall )

As you can see their findings are in complete agreement with those for other non conventional magnetism researchers. Mainstream science should revise this findings.

I hope you could find useful this post.

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PS. Book by Howard Johnson "The Secret World of Magnets" http://www.freeinfosociety.com/media/pdf/3935.pdf
 

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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2013, 08:27:01 AM »
The figure "Bloch Wall Illustrated in a Magnet" includes the description "Point of Zero Magnetism known as the the Bloch Wall."

Okay, so a magnet is a bar of iron that is permanently magnetized.  So what happens if you cut a bar magnet in two?  Does the Bloch wall of zero magnetism in the original permanently magnetized magnet all of a sudden get magnetized?  Do the new smaller permanent magnets have new Bloch walls of zero magnetism that magically appear in areas that formerly were magnetized?

So does that mean every time you cut a permanent magnet in two you get one Bloch wall that magically disappears and two new Bloch walls that magically appear?   All this inside permanent magnet material?

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2013, 08:31:42 AM »
This is what it looks like inside a permanent magnet.  The boring conventional explanation is true and reigns supreme.

When you slice a magnet in two not much happens.  No magic magnetization and demagnetization events take place inside the permanent magnet material.  Life can be so simple sometimes.

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Offline hanon

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2013, 01:12:08 PM »
Hi MileHigh,  I undestrand you because it is not easy to accept such a big change

The problem with mainstream science is that he/she does not admit any experimental test against its foundations. In the book by Howard Johnson is descrikbed the experimental method used to measure those fields.

It is simple: just a Hall detector and any magnet that you choose. Please just read quikly his book and you would find some interesting subjects for any curious mind. We don´t have to settle principles which seem graved on stone.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xq9VVGYoSU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_JE7tFFaPo

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3grPo81fBrA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMoYEQFhQoc

I am looking for some other videos showing those effects. If anyone have some videos or links please post them to enrich this forum.  Thanks for your collaboration

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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2013, 03:56:05 PM »
Hanon:

I looked all all of your clips and they prove nothing.  They mostly consist of people that don't know what they are doing and don't understand what they are observing and then arriving at wrong conclusions.  That's a foolish and potentially dangerous state of affairs.

I raised the issue of the magic disappearing and appearing Bloch walls when you cut a magnet into two halves and you ignored it. Chances are that just about any proponent of this false notion that a Bloch wall exists in the center of a magnet will ignore it also.

There is no evidence that a Bloch wall exists in the center of a magnet and tons of evidence that one doesn't.  All that you have to do is open your mind and open your eyes and start doing some critical thinking.  Don't let yourself get deluded just because you want to believe that "alternative is cool."

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2013, 04:46:32 PM »
Hi Hanon,
  I think this is an interesting subject. Good call. Good links.

Hi, MileHigh, :)
  you can see the Bloch Wall with the green-magnet-viewing-plastic. I've tried it, and it's very clear.

I'm not sure I understand your objection to the concept. It does seem to be accepted. Perhaps you could elaborate on why you object?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_wall_(magnetism)

I'd noticed the lack of field at the center of a coil in practical experiments too - it's a consideration for my Fin-motor design, (that I * will * build soon)...

When you cut a magnet in half - it becomes two magnets - so yes, the BW does 'move' in a way. I think it's a property of the bulk material, rather than individual molecules... Magnets, like many things in this holographic universe, have some of the properties of holograms. ;)

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2013, 05:06:09 PM »
You could look at it like this.Lets say the north field is hot water,and the south field is cold water. The two mix together,and you have warm water. The point is,although you now have a mix of the two-they are both still there-there not just gone.
I hate that word-the bloch wall-sounds so berdini.
Two of the video's you posted Hanon ,contradict one another. Do you know which two im refering to?

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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2013, 05:43:35 PM »
Tim123:

What is the green magnetic field plastic really telling you?  Have you ever thought about that?  What does it mean when it's dark, and what does it mean when it's light?  What is going on?  What does it really and truly mean?  I have seen so many clips where people play with that film and nobody seems to be concerned with this.

So you point to a white line on the green film and say, "That's proof of a Bloch wall."  Really?  Make a clip first that explains what the green film is actually doing and how you interpret the patterns of dark and light on the film when it interacts with a magnet.  Then apply that knowledge to what the green film is telling you when you think that you are looking at a "Bloch wall."

Your Wikipedia link is perfectly legitimate and it has zero relation to the imaginary Bloch walls that some people believe are inside permanent magnets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVrwNIWlbcE

What people should try to get from the above clip is that if you have an imaginary sphere, the net magnetic flux through the sphere is always zero.  Whatever flux comes in also has to go out.  So if the imaginary sphere was inside a bar magnet with one half in the alleged Bloch wall area and the other half where there exists a magnetic field, then there would be a net magnetic flux through the imaginary sphere.  But this is impossible, the net magnetic flux through an imaginary sphere is always zero.  That means the magnetic field is consistent through the bar magnet as per the diagrams I posted.  Here's where you need an open mind and some imagination to get this.

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2013, 06:11:08 PM »

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2013, 06:26:28 PM »
Hi MH :)
  I understand that the alternative explanation would be that the line shows the point where the N & S fields * cancel each other out *, as opposed to a point of genuinely no flux. Admittedly, it's hard to test, but given Howard Johnson's extensive experiments with mapping fields using stepper motors and a 3D Hall-effect sensor, I'm inclined to at least take his opinion seriously.

Surely if the Bloch wall exists in magnets at all, it has to exist in permanent magnets? I didn't think there was any qualitative difference between PMs and EMs...

I understand the difference between a monopole & a dipole that the vid explains.
 1) My understanding is that the BW is a 2 dimensional plane - so you couldn't have the imaginary sphere you describe where half is 'in' the BW:
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The magnetization rotates through the plane of the domain wall

 2) As magnetic lines of force are circular - it would make no difference anyway... At least I can't imagine what you're describing... (perhaps a diagram?)

I'm going to have to test the field inside a coil properly - as part of the Fin-Motor work. Is there any experiment you can think of which would actually resolve the question to your satisfaction? If so - perhaps I'll do it.

The question:

What is the true topology of the North & South magnetic fields?

 a) Is there one field circulating N to S through the magnet - as traditionally described?
 b) Are there 2 opposite fields emanating from the 2 halves of the magnet, separated by the Bloch Wall?
 c) Are there 2 opposing fields N and S, both going in opposite directions to each other through the length of the magnet.
 d) other suggestions?

Certainly interesting stuff...

:)
Tim

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2013, 06:37:55 PM »
If you look at the field lines of a PM or EM,what you call the bloch wall ,is only the weakest part of the continuing field. Where the field lines are tightest or closest together,is the strongest part of the field.This is actualy inside the magnet itself. But as we cannot use that part of the field,the next inline is at each end of the magnet,where the usable field has the tightest field line pattern.
The center part of the magnet,has the widest or weakest field line arangment,so the field is weakest at that point. This is the point you refer to as the bloch wall-but there is no wall at all,or break in the field-but only the weakest part of the field.
So if you place a piece of flat steel in the center of the magnet,standing on edge,ofcourse it will feel as though there is a nutral point,as the steel  will be getting pulled toward each end of the magnet with equal force.
If some one is pulling on your left arm with 10 pounds of force,and some one is pulling on your right arm with 10 pounds of force-which way are you going to go?

If there was some sort of neutral point or bloch wall,then it may look something like pic 1 below.
But as you can see in pic 2,there is only continuing field line's-no bloch wall to be seen.

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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2013, 06:51:19 PM »
This is were you would find a Bloch wall:

[N-----S] [Iron Bar][S----N]

There would be a Bloch wall in the center of the iron bar and it would have some thickness.  There no such thing as a Bloch wall in free space.

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What is the true topology of the North & South magnetic fields?

There are no separate North and South magnetic fields.  That's simply a naming convention.  That might be the root cause of the misunderstanding.  Magnetic fields are loops with no beginning and no end and no North and no South.  If you can understand that (see Tinman's clip) then that leads to understanding that there is a smooth continuous magnetic flux through a bar magnet.  You can imagine it's like the bar magnet is a small rectangular wind tunnel pushing the air through in a nice linear flow.  The air then circulates around the room and then goes back into the entrance of the wind tunnel.  That's what magnetic fields "look" like.  Do you see two different kinds of wind?  The answer is you don't.  What you do see is two different directions for the same wind.

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2013, 07:09:27 PM »
Hllo Folks,


lets get some of facts straight:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_wall_%28magnetism%29

A blochwall is a transition-line ( area) between the spontaneous magnetisation areas of a ferro-magentic material ( not magnetized ) and is not a fixed local entity. See the picture of a magnet with the sections A-B-C. The fieldlines of the elemtary magnets are spinning 180 Degrees in the center of a bar-magnet and oriented in the direction of the viewer...and this means then that the outer field is twisted....and  they do not add up to zero. Blochwalls move if an external field is exerted to the material and can even disappear if all domains are alligned in a solenoid-core.
And of course if you split a magnet into two, a new zone B must be created.
In the german part of the wiki you can find a more detailed picture ( HT-HT ) which shows the effect of the moving Blochwalls if an increaisng external magnetic field is exterted

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weiss-Bezirk

The difference between a ferromagentic material ( not magentized ) and a permanent magnet are the angles of the fieldlines of the random domain-structure versus a forced two-domain-structure.


Hope this helps

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2013, 07:27:14 PM »
Hi,

My aim with this post was to show these discoveries. I knew that some people will be open to discussion and other people just won´t accept it. Please don´t kill the messenger. I just ask you for reading the two books and LATER discuss if they make sense or nor. We can not say "no" because it has been "no" for a century and a half. Howard Johnson and, Roy Davis & Rawls worked with magnet for many decades. The wrote those two books to compile their findings over that time.  The book written by Roy Davis and Rawls,Magnetism and It Effects on the Living System, was not uploaded into internet. I had read about it but it was not accesible on the net. I bought an old edition into Amazon used books and I scanned it in order you could have access to that info.

I already know of another researcher, Marcos Pinel, who built a theory stating that the center of the magnet was a point of null magnetic field. The image below was done (not by me) with a magnet in front of a CTR screen.

I just ask to study this information, not just read my initial post and in 5 minutes reply because it sounds weird. Take into consideration that those books are a serious work done over many years of researching. I am just exposing that info for people who could take profit of it.

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Re: Roy Davis and Rawls Magnetism Discoveries
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2013, 08:09:39 PM »
Hi Guys, thanks for the replies. I get the Bloch wall idea now. I'm tending to agree with you, but open minded to both ideas ATM.

There's definitely more to magnetism than the standard science acknowledges - it does have a spiralling component - for example. Eddy currents are interesting things...

Tinman, I've heard argued that the traditional image of iron filings on a magnet is not a true representation because the filings act as magnets too and distort the field. It's possible...

The thing is - none of us can actually see it - and it's virtually impossible to test - unless you can find a material that's only attracted to one polarity...

Also, you have to bear in mind that we're only able to experience the 3 dimensions of space plus time, which I don't think is where the action really happens... 3D spacetime is a projection of a more fundamental reality...

Hanon, don't be too sensitive to the critics, but do listen to them. Sometimes they're right, but not always. ;)

What you see on the CRT screen is not a picture of the fields - it's a picture of what the fields do to electrons. I'm not sure it's possible to draw any conclusions either way from it.

You have to admit that it's a little wierd - in the standard model - how the magnetic lines of flux switch between one polarity and the other at the mid-point...?

I mean - it can't be that the fields 'cancel each other out' can it? There's only one field. How can a single field cancel itself out?



 

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