Author Topic: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte (Read 58279 times)

gammarayburst · « **Reply #60 on:** September 14, 2013, 04:35:16 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEi6GqHGiCA&feature=c4-overview&list=UUV6BqQ_hToPob2lfymlIYLg

Floor · « **Reply #61 on:** September 14, 2013, 10:34:59 PM »

It looks like a good 2D animation Her are my first ideas on a pseudo solid design.

CHEERS
floor

timechicken · « **Reply #62 on:** September 15, 2013, 03:06:55 PM »

I dont understand the stage where the second magnet is moved to the upper part, the arm that should go up, why would it start to repel the lower part as they are still one piece, everything is touching?

gammarayburst · « **Reply #63 on:** September 16, 2013, 05:05:30 PM »

Any help would be very appreciated.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte

gammarayburst · « **Reply #64 on:** September 16, 2013, 05:07:04 PM »

Quote from: Floor on September 14, 2013, 10:34:59 PM

It looks like a good 2D animation Her are my first ideas on a pseudo solid design.

CHEERS
floor

Floor, I am looking for an animation to send you. I have over a thousand to go through.
Butch

elecar · « **Reply #65 on:** September 16, 2013, 07:21:14 PM »

Time Chicken, they are not "all one piece" they are individual pieces in contact with each other.

timechicken · « **Reply #66 on:** September 16, 2013, 09:35:23 PM »

Quote from: elecar on September 16, 2013, 07:21:14 PM

Time Chicken, they are not "all one piece" they are individual pieces in contact with each other.

Yeah, that's exactly what I meant, when they are in full contact, why would the upper and lower "arms" start to repel each other? If there was an air gap I would understand, but then you couldn't move the moving magnet to the upper arm of course.

elecar · « **Reply #67 on:** September 16, 2013, 11:24:40 PM »

Time Chicken, if you attach 2 magnets to a bar (same polarity) you can attract another bar. If you then move one magnet (keeping the same polarity facing the other magnet) and bring it to the bars it will be repelled.

In the example you commented on in this thread the magnet is able to move easily because of the effect caused (pseudo solid). If you move the magnet from one bar to the other, the bars become magnetized in the same polarity causing them to repel, no air gap is required.

If you bring 2 magnets together N to N or S to S they will repel, even if you bring them into contact they will still want to repel.

timechicken · « **Reply #68 on:** September 17, 2013, 01:15:11 AM »

Ah yes, thanks for clarifying that, don't know what I was thinking.

Has anyone constructed a working unit demonstrating this effect in full? I watched all the videos I found, but in every one of them work was done by hand and it's not intuitively clear to me how much there is that the eye doesn't see (like resistance to moving the magnet in each stage). I'm baffled by this as must be many others!

elecar · « **Reply #69 on:** September 17, 2013, 12:27:18 PM »

Hi Time Chicken, Gamma would be the best person to reply. I am working on 2 projects of my own and the only experiment I tried was with two bars with magnets between. I also only had my hands and fingers to make a judgement, but it did "feel" much easier to move the magnets when in "pseudo solid" configuration. I would say many times easier (sorry for the lack of real measurement)

Maybe Gamma has tried some experiments and taken accurate measurements. I only had 2 bars to experiment with so I was unable to try sliding the magnet from one set of bars to another.

If you have a couple magnets and some steel bar you should have a go at the test as in the video, the difference in the reluctance of the magnets movement is quite startling.
I think the only way to get any definitive answers is with a build, I am not aware of anyone doing so ATM.

gammarayburst · « **Reply #70 on:** September 19, 2013, 11:49:35 PM »

Quote from: timechicken on September 17, 2013, 01:15:11 AM

Ah yes, thanks for clarifying that, don't know what I was thinking.

Has anyone constructed a working unit demonstrating this effect in full? I watched all the videos I found, but in every one of them work was done by hand and it's not intuitively clear to me how much there is that the eye doesn't see (like resistance to moving the magnet in each stage). I'm baffled by this as must be many others!

I promise you that if the magnet is not touching the bars and has like a .003" air gap on each end then you can move it with a feather. I promise, promise, promise.

norman6538 · « **Reply #71 on:** September 20, 2013, 01:59:30 AM »

Quote from: gammarayburst on September 19, 2013, 11:49:35 PM

I promise you that if the magnet is not touching the bars and has like a .003" air gap on each end then you can move it with a feather. I promise, promise, promise.

Butch, In a previous post
I didn't find it that easy when I made the measurements with a neo on a matchbox car so I assume you are exadgerating a bit because a feather doesn't even weigh an ounce. So the bottom line is in the measurements. If the measurements demonstrate this then the embodiment will soon follow. So if a small force can be used to release a larger force then
we have it except that the embodiment has to be reset to repeat the cycle again. That has been my frustration numerous times.

Norman

gammarayburst · « **Reply #72 on:** September 20, 2013, 03:13:28 AM »

Quote from: norman6538 on September 20, 2013, 01:59:30 AM

Butch, In a previous post
I didn't find it that easy when I made the measurements with a neo on a matchbox car so I assume you are exadgerating a bit because a feather doesn't even weigh an ounce. So the bottom line is in the measurements. If the measurements demonstrate this then the embodiment will soon follow. So if a small force can be used to release a larger force then
we have it except that the embodiment has to be reset to repeat the cycle again. That has been my frustration numerous times.

Norman

Your car had a large amount of rolling friction in the wheels and axles. It's this simple, eliminate eddy current drag, float the magnet with .005" air gap so the forces are equal but opposite on the magnet poles and there is nothing to cause drag. It will just float along like a balloon.

norman6538 · « **Reply #73 on:** September 20, 2013, 01:42:58 PM »

Quote from: gammarayburst on September 20, 2013, 03:13:28 AM

Your car had a large amount of rolling friction in the wheels and axles. It's this simple, eliminate eddy current drag, float the magnet with .005" air gap so the forces are equal but opposite on the magnet poles and there is nothing to cause drag. It will just float along like a balloon.

Butch you could actually demonstrate OU if you could demonstrate and measure this concept.
I was not quite able to do that. Then your horse would be out in front of all of the other horses.

Norman

gammarayburst · « **Reply #74 on:** September 20, 2013, 04:40:18 PM »

Quote from: norman6538 on September 20, 2013, 01:42:58 PM

Butch you could actually demonstrate OU if you could demonstrate and measure this concept.
I was not quite able to do that. Then your horse would be out in front of all of the other horses.

Norman

Norman, Mark built all our test fixtures and he is no longer doing that. He is working on a project he took on for himself. I have no resource at this time for test fixtures. The ones we built in the past show that it works. It has to move with no drag because with eddy current drag eliminated and equal but opposite forces on the magnet poles and a very small air gap at each end (.003" to .005") the Pseudo Solid effect takes over and the magnet is just floating. It works, I have felt it with my own hands. I will draw a simple test fixture if someone should want to prove the effect.
Butch

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