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Author Topic: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte  (Read 43764 times)

Offline lumen

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2013, 10:26:25 PM »
Lumen, Any way you can get a sketch to me? I want to make sure we are on the same page. Also, I was never able to get the bars only to repel past half the magnet width. How about you?
Your idea could be a huge improvement, looking forward to seeing exactly how you have it laid out.
Butch

@Butch,
 
The only layout is in the modeler as a setup for testing. The test was to confirm that because a magnet can pull another magnet from a piece of iron, then could a magnet PUSH a magnet from the iron also. (or the iron from the magnet)
 
It seems with the correct ratio that the initial movement of the iron increases the repelling enough to push the iron further off the magnet and yet the increase again can still push the iron further.
The effect is probably useful in that moving the magnets back onto the iron could yield the forward gain required for total OU. That's what brought up the Stirling Engine because the over lapping cycles are very similar and would produce the movements required to build an engine based on the concept.
 
The entire concept was based on the exact concept you are showing again now.
 
 

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #46 on: September 10, 2013, 05:51:29 PM »
I think for now, it would be best to just stay with the current design and build a working model.
 
It could be build with one stationary magnet and the iron bars and one sliding magnet with it's moving bars using crankshaft design with the iron bars moving as pistons and the magnet on another crank, moving as a piston within the bars.
By gearing the cranks together, the timing could be adjusted to create the desired effect.
 
Before that design, I would draw a 3d model based on the exact design, and gather data.
 

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The Perfect Design, Pseudo Solid Rotary, All Testing, Every Aspect On Youtube
« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2013, 09:09:14 PM »
The is the perfect layout, I will post video test links for youtube.
No drag as bar magnets move along in Pseudo Solid fashion.
This is it guys!
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« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2013, 09:09:14 PM »
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Offline gammarayburst

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Drawing up attraction version tonight
« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2013, 02:10:42 AM »
Drawing up attraction version tonight.
Butch

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2013, 02:19:13 AM »
I do not understand this drawing Butch. 1. it says rotary but I don't see an axle.
2. the left part makes sense but what is on the right?

Somehow this picture is not worth a thousand words to me.

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2013, 02:19:13 AM »
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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #50 on: September 11, 2013, 02:02:11 PM »
This emulation video looks so much like the flynn parallel path stuff  http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/ButchVideo.wmv   

It uses 2 metal bars and two magnets and increases the flux at the near end of the magnets.
Now if Butch has really found a way to do the switching easily from less flux to more flux he
may have found the way to make the flynn stuff work.

Norman

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Best way to go with rotary Pseudo Solid technology
« Reply #51 on: September 11, 2013, 04:19:12 PM »
See attached, stator bars are not curved due to the limits of my drawing program. This needs a 3D animation very bad if any one wants to help visualize this for the public. This was tested on video and is on youtube.
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Video link of new layout
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Is anyone available to do a 3D animation for pay?
« Reply #53 on: September 11, 2013, 06:54:45 PM »
Is anyone available to do a 3D animation for pay?

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2013, 09:17:04 PM »
Hi Gamma, I can not do a 3d drawing, but would the effect be the same if only the outer ring of bars was movable ?


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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #55 on: September 11, 2013, 10:38:53 PM »
Hi Gamma, I can not do a 3d drawing, but would the effect be the same if only the outer ring of bars was movable ?
Yes it would but not as strong during the attraction phase to the up coming set of closed bars because the magnet is still over one of the un-open bars. If you could show the still closed inside bar open that would get the idea across to many. The problem is the stator in your drawing would need to be turned 90 degrees to do that. The bars would bind as they are now. I don't understand, every aspect of this is on video and works perfect but no one seems to care. It's so simple and self evident. I wonder sometimes? Thanks for the help!
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Re: Video link of new layout
« Reply #56 on: September 12, 2013, 02:40:55 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXlJWZWe1oc

You are just fooling yourself if you think this video represents any effect or concept that might be useful in a self running PMM.

Here is what actually happens.
1. You apply work (via your hand) to place the rotor in a position where it gains potential energy.
2. It sits in a small 'potential well' where a small amount of extra work (moving the block) causes a larger amount of work or movement in the rotor.
3. The rotor moves then stops, because it is attracted back to the block. No further movement is possible without extra energy input.

What you neglect to realise or show is that the sum of the forces x distances moved (including the initial potential given to the system given by hand exhibits anything other than a totally conservative result.  (Integral of force with respect to distance over a closed path is zero.)

This (or any other arrangement of permanent magnets) cannot be used to generate an excess of energy.

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Re: Video link of new layout
« Reply #57 on: September 12, 2013, 02:44:01 AM »
You are just fooling yourself if you think this video represents any effect or concept that might be useful in a self running PMM.

Here is what actually happens.
1. You apply work (via your hand) to place the rotor in a position where it gains potential energy.
2. It sits in a small 'potential well' where a small amount of extra work (moving the block) causes a larger amount of work or movement in the rotor.
3. The rotor moves then stops, because it is attracted back to the block. No further movement is possible without extra energy input.

What you neglect to realise or show is that the sum of the forces x distances moved (including the initial potential given to the system given by hand exhibits anything other than a totally conservative result.  (Integral of force with respect to distance over a closed path is zero.)

This (or any other arrangement of permanent magnets) cannot be used to generate an excess of energy.
Your reply is incorrect.
Thanks,
Butch

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Re: Video link of new layout
« Reply #58 on: September 12, 2013, 03:00:33 AM »
Your reply is incorrect.
Thanks,
Butch

All I can say is you are going to continue to waste your time on this, until you finally come to realise that conventional wisdom about the nature of magnetism is sound.

The mathematics is incontrovertible. You will need to show how and why that math is wrong if this device to have any hope of working. Your videos do not show anything of value in that regard.

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Re: Video link of new layout
« Reply #59 on: September 12, 2013, 03:52:52 AM »
All I can say is you are going to continue to waste your time on this, until you finally come to realise that conventional wisdom about the nature of magnetism is sound.

The mathematics is incontrovertible. You will need to show how and why that math is wrong if this device to have any hope of working. Your videos do not show anything of value in that regard.
Thanks for you input.
Butch

 

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