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Author Topic: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte  (Read 43759 times)

Offline gammarayburst

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This is about as clear as it gets when demonstrating overunity with magnets. I have attached 4 drawings. I very much need someone to help me that can do a 3D rotating animation of this to help every one see the operation and aid the building process. I have tested this at home many many times over the years and posted video's on youtube of the Pseudo Solid effect. What was needed to make it work for a demonstration fixture is the angle cut on the end of the top bar that I show in the drawings. The operation is as follows.
1. The two magnets in the lower bar pull the upper bar down flush with it doing positive work with the force of the two NIB magnets, 1" by 1" cylinder grade 48.
2. One of the two magnets is now moved in Pseudo solid fashion to the top bar with no work to speak of. The magnet is floating with equal but opposite forces on both poles between the two side bars. There is a .003" air gap between the magnet ends and the bars slide surface. This air gap is filled in with a low friction plastic.
3. Now the two magnets can repel each other doing positive work because they are in two separate fixtures.
4. As the top bar repels up, the angle at it's end becomes flush with the bar surface.
5. Now you move the upper magnet down the path shown in pseudo solid fashion with no work to speak of.
6. The cycle repeats.
7. Converting the principle to a practical machine is just a matter of engineering.
Please someone help me with a 3D rotating animation so everyone can see this simple operation.
See attached
Thanks, Butch LaFonte

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2013, 04:29:26 AM »
Butch, good to see your post. I don't understand how the magnet in step 2 and 4 can easily
be moved because a magnet almost touching iron wants to stay where it is.

"2. One of the two magnets is now moved in Pseudo solid fashion to the top bar with no work
 to speak of."    ( a magnet near metal will want to stay where it is ie not slide easily)

Norman

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2013, 06:06:52 AM »
Norman, it will slide so easy you could push it with a feather. Think of sliding a magnet down the side of a file cabinet with an air gap of .003" between the magnet and metal side. That is what I base the whole Pseudo Solid principle on. It won't grab on to anything till it gets to the end of the metal cabinet. There is no end with the bars in this. I have many video's showing this on youtube at the LaFonte Research and LaFonte Group site for 5 years now. Think of a magnet sliding down the front of your refrigerator door. The only reason it does not slide all the time is because of the friction between it and the door surface. Put an air gap of .003" between the two and watch it slide down like a rock being dropped.

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2013, 06:50:02 AM »
Hardly a convincing demonstration of anything at all here.

No measurements of the actual forces involved,  No accounting for the fact that would need to be work input to lift the magnet up to counter its weight.

 

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2013, 11:00:20 AM »
Butch, I just took 3 different ceramic magnets on a 3x5 note card which is about .010 and
they all stick to the fridge. Does it have to be .003?

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2013, 12:53:32 PM »
@ norman
He did say an air gap,not a shim between the fridge and magnet,as friction would still apply.
You could always use a cylinder magnet insted,as they will just roll straight down the fridge door-as long as it's not diametricly magnetised.

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2013, 03:01:36 PM »

 
Hardly a convincing demonstration of anything at all here.


No measurements of the actual forces involved,  No accounting for the fact that would need to be work input to lift the magnet up to counter its weight.
Did you ever think about turning the fixture sideways? Then the magnets are not lifted but rather slide from one point to another. Also, when you lift something to a point it will have potential energy. Notice how high the magnet is lifted by the swing bar due to repulsion from the bottom bar. That is about 5 times more potential energy added to it so when it's time to slide down back to the bottom bar it will have released more energy than it took to lift it that 1 inch in the second step. Also the work done by the NIB magnets when pulling the swing bar down and repelling it up is about 100 times more than the work needed to slide that little old magnet 1 inch. I have 35 years hands on experience with these magnets and have posted countless videos on youtube of the Pseudo Solid principle. One last thing, where can I go to see video's of your work? I'm very interested in seeing them.
Butch

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2013, 03:01:36 PM »
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More views on drawings
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2013, 07:36:09 PM »
See attached

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2013, 11:07:11 PM »
Made the 3d animation for easier understanding:

http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/ButchVideo.wmv

Also attached below:

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2013, 11:22:15 PM »
Made the 3d animation for easier understanding:

http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/ButchVideo.wmv

Also attached below:
Thank you so much! But you left out the most powerful step. It's when the two magnets are in the bottom bars and the top swing bars are raised up all the way and are pulled down with a huge attraction force by those two bottom magnets. That is the first step and the most powerful. With that added it will be perfect! Thanks so much!
Butch

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Sequence of operation explained super simple
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2013, 11:57:45 PM »
1. Swing bars are all the way up.
2. They are pulled down by by the attraction force of the two magnets in the bottom bar set. This is a huge force and can damage fingers if they are in the way.
3. Now one of the magnets in the bottom set is moved in Pseudo Solid fashion to the top bar set and now the two bar sets are in repulsion.
4. The top bar set is repelled away for it's full travel.
5. Now the magnet in the top bar set is move in Pseudo Solid fashion to the bottom bar set and the sequence starts over again with the top bar set being pulled down to the two magnets in the lower set.


That makes two positive power cycles, one attraction and one repulsion and no negative power cycle at all in the sequence.

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2013, 12:10:41 AM »
Interesting, I wonder though, Although in-between steel, how 'easily' these two magnets really want to get next to each other.
I know the steel 'sandwitching' reduces the repulsion, I wonder how low the between-magnet repulsion really is.

Steven

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2013, 12:40:44 AM »
Here is Butch's earlier video on how easy to separate two magnets in attraction next to each other:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhfqe2dyR3s 

Perhaps Butch has done the test for magnets in repulsion between the two parallel bars and experienced how the repel force got reduced.

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2013, 01:00:34 AM »
Steven, I will send you video links. You will not believe how the attraction and repulsion forces are reduced when the magnet is between the two bars.
It's as though they are no longer magnets! I have shown on video many times how you can take your little finger and with next to no effort move that grade 48 NIB up to where it is touching another grade 48 and there is no repulsion! But all the flux from the two magnets goes out of the bars just looking for something to grab hold of. But when out of the bars only the strongest of men can push the two magnets together. I named the effect Pseudo Solid effect because when I was a kids in grade school I noticed a magnet would slide down or up a file cabinet with ease but grab on to it when you got to the end. I later during research put two bars together and it's crossed them as though the two were one solid piece. I then though up the name Pseudo Solid. What is down right magical is how the two magnets pull a second bar to them with huge force but when you just simply slide one magnet to that second bar the two bars jump to repelling each other. Now getting the magnets back together again was the problem. As you see in the animation you did that sliding them in Pseudo solid fashion was the answer. Something super important > The magnet with say a .003" air gap between each pole and the bar surface has to maintain that gap and it must be equal on both ends of the magnet. This allows the magnet to "float" because of equal but opposite forces on each end. Then fill the air gap with a low friction plastic and you can slide that magnet as though it was a piece of wood between two pieces of wood. Eddy currents can be eliminated 5 or more different ways so they pose no problem. I will send video links.
Butch

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Re: Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2013, 01:13:02 PM »
@ gammarayburst
That is because the fields are now traveling through the steel itself,insted of from magnet to magnet.
I watched the video posted ,and see no OU there at all,but more a missunderstanding of force over distance.
At the end of the day,the total energy gained between both attraction motions,is equal to the energy required to remove the two steel bar's from the magnet's ,so the action can be repeated.

No overunity here,but more miss calculations.

 

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