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Author Topic: 44 Times More Power Output than Input  (Read 27090 times)

Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2013, 08:37:49 AM »

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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2013, 12:56:41 PM »
This came to me in March 2012. Time for education:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp2dpP6GYLs&feature=BFa&list=UUgQPXnv5t07PzqJz5n4\ M8nA&lf=plcp

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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2013, 03:38:56 PM »
Oh boy, Torsion Fields!  No wonder my head is spinning all the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgMrYPax5dE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd5w8KhYrQk


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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
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Offline ramset

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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2013, 04:27:49 PM »
TK
In the interest of fairness..
It is not possible to loop this system as presented unless it gives birth to magnets ,motors and such .
I don't believe Procreation is part of the claim?
 
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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2013, 04:47:45 PM »
Oh boy, Torsion Fields!  No wonder my head is spinning all the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgMrYPax5dE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd5w8KhYrQk
Lol-TK
I was going to post those very video's here,but you beat me to it lol.
Whats a torsion field? Is it an engineering degree in suspention for vehicle's?

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Offline e2matrix

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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2013, 06:41:10 PM »
Found this after a bit of digging ...


http://www.worldsci.org/pdf/abstracts/abstracts_6823.pdf


Excellent FIND tak22!   Everyone needs to read that 3 page correction and explanation.   It explains it all and I'm even more sure now this guy is on the level and may be good to keep track of his work.   It seems there is still a possibility of COP > 1 from this based on that paper.   

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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2013, 01:22:37 AM »
TK
In the interest of fairness..
It is not possible to loop this system as presented unless it gives birth to magnets ,motors and such .
I don't believe Procreation is part of the claim?
 
Thx
Chet
The video that I responded to showed a fellow holding a magnet on an axle, and it was rotating due to its nearness to a coil that was carrying an oscillating signal. My videos show the same thing, only with more hair, and unlike some of the other fast spinning synchronous motor videos you might see, I confirm that my motor is in fact synchronous and spinning at the rate I say it is because I use two different means of measuring its rotational rate, and they agree. My motor isn't the fastest, and the magnet doesn't drive a generator shaft... but you can bet your bippy that it is generating current as it spins within those coils. I could alternate drive and drain in short pulses: have the magnet spin up to speed, cut off the drive and let the magnet generate while it spins for a while, then re-speed up, and do this in very short pulses. Would that be as good as Cook's mechanical linkage, do you think?
In the interests of fairness... I will wager that YOU could self-loop the system presented in Cook's first video, if it actually did make even 5 times OU. I know that I certainly could. But I'm not about to build the system that he has presented. I will gladly, however, work towards making the electrical and electronics conversions necessary to self loop it, and I think you, Chet, know I can do these conversions with high efficiency. All I require is for Cook to send me the apparatus, and I will begin work immediately.... _after_ I confirm his power and energy measurements for myself.

I admire his construction and procedure, and his paper is very well written, exemplary in fact, and I especially respect his respect for significant digits in computations. But I fear ... along with him, evidently... that there has been an error in input and output power measurement. Without having the apparatus to test I can't tell you just where it is, but the implausible result would surely make one seek for the error diligently.

Meanwhile... have you been MyLOWed again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYQM8WbCq2Y

ETA:  I just saw the link to the latest .pdf corrections. I guess I should probably read it... again, admirable behaviour on Cook's part. This is what you are supposed to do: seek errors, find them, admit and correct if possible. He was premature in releasing the claim but other than that he gets a high score from me.
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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2013, 01:27:51 AM »
Lol-TK
I was going to post those very video's here,but you beat me to it lol.
Heh.. great minds think alike, obviously!
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Whats a torsion field? Is it an engineering degree in suspention for vehicle's?
Beats me. Maybe it has something to do with rotating crops?

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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2013, 02:07:21 AM »
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rotating crops



Would that be crop circles then??


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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2013, 02:24:59 AM »
TK
You are of course correct on all Counts
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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2013, 09:17:58 PM »
Roflmao you guys crack me up, if ya,ll aint geten paid your worken for free, Iv watched this board for years and as soon as something comes along you dismiss it out of hand and everyone agrees, then you all start patten each other on the back. lol

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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2013, 10:01:46 PM »
Dave45:


I don't think that you should re-act too much to the detracting "noise" that is made here. I for one admire your research and willingness to share what you experience and find both here on overunity.com as well as at energeticforum.com.


There are many here that continue to experiment and research although sometimes there isn't anything to show for it. . . .


And many people here have been though the drama of MyLow, Inventacom, and others who proved out to be fakers. It's easy to get negative about ANY new ideas based on past history.


I sincerely wish you the best in your discoveries and would like to see you continue to share here, in spite of those that discount the efforts.


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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2013, 10:03:52 PM »
Smatter, Dave, did you swallow the 44-to-1 claim "out of hand" then? Or did you yourself perhaps think there was something just a little "too good to be true" there? Could YOU manage to self loop, say, a 10-to-1 system? How about a 20-to-1? There will be losses in your conversion from the generator output to the amplifier power source. OK, say 30-to-1. Sure, you could do that, probably.

But what _would_ you do? If you had a system that you _genuinely believed_ made 44 times the _electrical power output_ than the _electrical power input_ required to run it?

Would you write a second-place scholarly paper on the thing, or would you work your silly butt off to self loop the mother? I know what I'd do.

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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2013, 07:45:59 AM »


But what _would_ you do? If you had a system that you _genuinely believed_ made 44 times the _electrical power output_ than the _electrical power input_ required to run it?

Would you write a second-place scholarly paper on the thing, or would you work your silly butt off to self loop the mother? I know what I'd do.

Exactly my point.  Nothing against the author of this paper but, it just does not make sense to me.  The paper was very well written but, I am missing some logic on this one.

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Re: 44 Times More Power Output than Input
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2013, 08:55:25 AM »
If something actually output 44 times the input, chances are you would sense it, or feel it, take your pick.  When you applied power you would get the sense that the thing was amplifying the input power and it's response would be extremely vigorous, much much more vigorous than you would expect.  After all, the thing is allegedly acting like an electrical/mechanical power amplifier.  Applying battery power (or in this case feeding it power from an audio amplifier) would feel like you were adjusting a throttle.  See - no meters of any kind, just use your wits and your senses and your gut feel.  More importantly, what does your gut feel tell you when you don't sense anything special is going on?

I read the document addressing the issue of the measurement errors.  They look like serious "studious" guys with good intentions, but they are not connecting in their analysis on the correct level.  They state that they wanted the experiment to be reproducible using multimeters only, so there is your "gap" because you need a scope to look at the voltages and currents.

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