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Title: 1500% energy out!
Post by: ingyenenergiagep on August 27, 2013, 09:01:18 PM
I found on net:

http://www.sklaic.info/forum/index.php?topic=28.0

"During calibrating device to 700Hz I found that light bulb becomes bright, even brighter than connected directly to 20V. So I measure current and I detected some interesting phenomena. This 24V light bulb, directly on 20V, drains 3.6A current, but when connected to charger it drains only 230mA. Less than 15 times!
I think I should do another project involving DC pulse currents and regular light bulb of 100W. I'll try to use current directly from mains power to se if I can get same brightness on 100W bulb and to consume only 10W... "

"I use 555 timer, set it up for frequency range from 500Hz to 3kHz, then with two out transistors set driver for MOSFET IRF640.
Then I test how this works with different coils and at end I find that 6mH toroid choke coil is optimal for this configuration.
I didn't want to use my test coil so I made one using parts from dead PC ATX power supply.


Here you can see on left desoldered coil, in middle core without wires (inner diameter is 13.5mm, outer 23.5mm and width 9.7mm).
On right picture is my new coil of 6mH, to make it I use wire with diameter of 0.3mm (with insulation) and 8.5m long.
I use instrument to measure inductance, but I think there are 294 turns unless I miscount somewhere."

Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: Magluvin on August 28, 2013, 02:09:38 AM
I found on net:

http://www.sklaic.info/forum/index.php?topic=28.0 (http://www.sklaic.info/forum/index.php?topic=28.0)

"During calibrating device to 700Hz I found that light bulb becomes bright, even brighter than connected directly to 20V. So I measure current and I detected some interesting phenomena. This 24V light bulb, directly on 20V, drains 3.6A current, but when connected to charger it drains only 230mA. Less than 15 times!
I think I should do another project involving DC pulse currents and regular light bulb of 100W. I'll try to use current directly from mains power to se if I can get same brightness on 100W bulb and to consume only 10W... "

"I use 555 timer, set it up for frequency range from 500Hz to 3kHz, then with two out transistors set driver for MOSFET IRF640.
Then I test how this works with different coils and at end I find that 6mH toroid choke coil is optimal for this configuration.
I didn't want to use my test coil so I made one using parts from dead PC ATX power supply.


Here you can see on left desoldered coil, in middle core without wires (inner diameter is 13.5mm, outer 23.5mm and width 9.7mm).
On right picture is my new coil of 6mH, to make it I use wire with diameter of 0.3mm (with insulation) and 8.5m long.
I use instrument to measure inductance, but I think there are 294 turns unless I miscount somewhere."

Hey Ingy  ;D

"During calibrating device to 700Hz I found that light bulb becomes bright, even brighter than connected directly to 20V."

I think we have to be careful of judging our 'visual' light output levels. You may have something if those numbers are correct or even close. But when pulsing a bulb, there may be peaks of brightness which I would say may register a 'brighter', of course, but there may be darker periods in between. 700hz? Maybe no dark periods. ;) That would be good news.  ;D Some people make light boxes with a light sensor inside to do actual measurements. One step better would be to look at that sensor on a scope to really be able to calculate an average power output, along with showing a trace of the input to the bulb. I would be interesting to see.  What is the duty cycle of the switching?

Mags
Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: TinselKoala on August 28, 2013, 04:30:54 AM
It is neat to see your bulb get brighter than it could by hooking it up directly to the power source.  I have devices that behave that way too. But it doesn't mean overunity, unfortunately.

Current is not energy, power is not energy.

You only get to claim OU if you actually have more energy coming out, over a given sufficiently long time period, than you have going in, or stored, during that time period.
Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: Magluvin on August 28, 2013, 04:52:47 AM
It is neat to see your bulb get brighter than it could by hooking it up directly to the power source.  I have devices that behave that way too. But it doesn't mean overunity, unfortunately.

Current is not energy, power is not energy.

You only get to claim OU if you actually have more energy coming out, over a given sufficiently long time period, than you have going in, or stored, during that time period.

Yes, this is true. ;D   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES00DfhHH-U


That was a vid of my solid state orbo. 

Mags
Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: Magluvin on August 28, 2013, 05:13:12 AM
Yes, this is true. ;D   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES00DfhHH-U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES00DfhHH-U)


That was a vid of my solid state orbo. 

Mags

Same here, still running off of the 5v 1a phone charger supply.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSgGFzfDiYE

I remember the input being close to the 1a max, which should be 5w, but the output was like 4.2w, around 80% eff. Measurements could be more in depth where those numbers might change.

Mags
Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: penno64 on August 28, 2013, 08:34:43 AM
Something don't add up
.
24v x 3.6a = 86.4w
or
p=I x V
or I= P/V
4w / 20v = 0.2 a
Yep, that adds up now.
 
Penno
Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: MenofFather on August 28, 2013, 02:02:44 PM
"but there may be darker periods in between. 700hz? "
No, here is to hight frenquency to 80 W 24 volts bulb, to meke dark periods.
Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: tinman on August 28, 2013, 02:15:07 PM
If the bulb normaly runs on 50 or 60 htZ,then there would be no dark periods at 700 htZ.
The power consumption difference seems very high between mains power and the wizbang circuit.
Maybe worth a build this one.
Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: ingyenenergiagep on August 28, 2013, 02:28:35 PM
I want use free energy and 230V 1000W line bulbs for heating my room.(Close to 50ohm.)
Heat and light, 2 in 1. :-)
I will try connect a bulb paralell with a coil, without diode.

Drive current: coil and bulb, inductive current: bulb.

The Tesla Switch  operates around 700Hz.  1kWh batt gives 4-5kWh energy(1 guy wrote on Hungarian free energy forum).

DC load, 12V 1A on batt->300 battery cycle.
Impulse load, 1A on batt (100Hz-40kHz): smaller sulfate crystals, less sulfation, more battery cyle, longer battery life?
Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: ingyenenergiagep on August 28, 2013, 02:50:55 PM
Bulb and driver:


Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: lancaIV on August 28, 2013, 05:24:24 PM

                                                  FE:Q.& A.

                                                 room heater
                                      like this here with candle
                                       or with bulb GlowWarm
                                   http://www.heatstick.com/ (http://www.heatstick.com/)

                                   
                                  similar with technical details

with 1 bulb           only 400W/ 60sqm( estimated= semi-detached house)
                              externally 0°C and 14,5°C inside :night ambient

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=19&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19881019&CC=GB&NR=2203529A&KC=A (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=19&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19881019&CC=GB&NR=2203529A&KC=A)

with special heater elements     average less 50%

http://www.canlaser.com/en/Home.aspx (http://www.canlaser.com/en/Home.aspx) HTM
http://www.al-bernstein.cc/new.html (http://www.al-bernstein.cc/new.html) heat resistor
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20030424&CC=US&NR=2003077078A1&KC=A1 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20030424&CC=US&NR=2003077078A1&KC=A1) up to -75% savings
http://www.average.com.ua/presentation.pdf (http://www.average.com.ua/presentation.pdf)
http://www.humanitad.org/team/145/ (http://www.humanitad.org/team/145/)

with an energy limiter    like the "driver" above:
                                       up to 90% savings by ultra on/off periods
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920714&CC=US&NR=5130608A&KC=A (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920714&CC=US&NR=5130608A&KC=A)  Dirac spikes/surges
and here
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20090813&CC=DE&NR=202008014201U1&KC=U1 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20090813&CC=DE&NR=202008014201U1&KC=U1)
(= http://www.graphitherm.eu/steuereinheit.html (http://www.graphitherm.eu/steuereinheit.html) )

with more bulbs/elements    600W for 11.000BTU (X 0,293= W)

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19890823&CC=EP&NR=0328893A1&KC=A1 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19890823&CC=EP&NR=0328893A1&KC=A1)


series connection from resistors(=heat elements / bulbs)

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20041118&CC=WO&NR=2004100349A1&KC=A1 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20041118&CC=WO&NR=2004100349A1&KC=A1)

but with attention VA input and lumen-heat/W output
[size=78%]http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=6&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19821029&CC=FR&NR=2504768A2&KC=A2 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=6&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19821029&CC=FR&NR=2504768A2&KC=A2)[/size]
for example: 75 (220V)bulbs a 15W in serie energized with 110V give 75 x5Watt consume with an heat output similar a 1500W radiant heater





I am also in search of an excellent heating system ;) 

Sincerely
              CdL                     


p.s.:  to #8: 1KWH bat (tery) gives 4-5KWH  ?? Under which condition ?
                        or meaning     gives 4-5KW   
Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: ingyenenergiagep on August 28, 2013, 08:32:06 PM
"(#)   Sipyke válasza Atis57 hozzászólására (»)   Jan 28, 2008
Jól van. Az úgy kezdődött, hogy kaptam vasazós romáktól egy szörnyen rossz állapotban lévő akksit. Még fel lehetett tölteni, kísérletre jó volt. Megláttam a neten Tesla gépét, szóltam egy haveromnak is, aki szintén érdeklődik hasonló dolgok iránt. Elkezdtük nézegetni, mit csinálhat valójában a kapcsolás. Mivel több ingyenenergiás gép rajzát letöltöttem, megegyeztünk, hogy ki melyiket próbálja ki. Másnap hívott, hogy ez működik: Az ő akksiját töltővel nem lehetett feltölteni. Amikor ezt rátette (persze akkor még csak relés próbaverzió volt) 12,8 V-ra felemelkedett az akksi feszültsége. Megterveztük a saját elektronikus verziónkat paneltervvel, és meg is építettünk 1-1 db-ot. Én teszteltem. A rossz 44 Ah-s akksit 10 órán át 4,5 A-al töltöttem,15 V volt közben a feszültség. Ez kiszámolva 675 W energia. Ezután egy 6V/30 W vetítő izzóval elindítottam a tesztet. 97 órán át működött megállás nélkül,az izzó feszültsége 5,9 V és 6,3 V között változott, Az árama pedig kezdetben 5,6 A, majd lecsökkent 4,8A-re a legvégére. Akkor azonban az akku kapocsfeszültsége a 11 V-ot sem érte el. Látható, hogy az izzó teljesítménye szinte végig 30-35 W között volt, csak a legvégén ment ez alá. Ha 30W-tal számolunk, akkor 2910W-ot vettem ki belőle. Ez a gyengébb akkuval vitt teszt volt. Csináltunk még egyet egy jobb akksival,de arról sajnos nem tudok ilyen pontos adatokat adni. Na nem azért mert nem akarok..."

E In: 10h 15V 4,5A=675Wh
E Out: bulb, 97h 6,3-5,9V 5,6-4,8A. 5,9V and 4,8A with 97h=2747,04Wh.
Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: lancaIV on August 28, 2013, 10:24:34 PM
                     Thank you for the fast #8-repeat
    after the translation from this hungarian article I understand your hope
           2747W out and 675W in :o , YES,it smells like OU 8) 
                 especially approved by a 97h teste
                 Where can I get this kind of battery  ;D 
        OU-question ist the lumen/W -quantity during this 97h experiment
   
Up today I only had the knowledge of this battery feedback-circuit
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=11&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20090326&CC=US&NR=2009079393A1&KC=A1 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=11&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20090326&CC=US&NR=2009079393A1&KC=A1)


I thank you for the sharing of really interesting details about this dimming potential from heat energy and the surprising "generating" battery !


Sincerely
              CdL
Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: lancaIV on August 29, 2013, 01:24:43 PM

1500% : at first ridiculous  ;D !


second moment: Gibbs FE potential  8)
          thinking about

a. Lazlo Gabor "series" of capacitors
b. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_plasmon_resonance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_plasmon_resonance)
c. thermonuclear pulsation behaviour :EMp1 + EMp2
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=DE&NR=3706385A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19880908&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=DE&NR=3706385A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19880908&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)
d. inductive + capacitive resistance
e. high/er frequency : magnetron ( t.a.s.e.r. and m.a.s.e.r.)
f.  Tesla bifiliar coil
Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: MenofFather on August 29, 2013, 03:51:08 PM
Impulse load, 1A on batt (100Hz-40kHz): smaller sulfate crystals, less sulfation, more battery cyle, longer battery life?
No. Basicly.
Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: lancaIV on August 29, 2013, 05:30:17 PM
No. Basicly.


http://www.vershv.narod.ru/sdarticle.pdf (http://www.vershv.narod.ru/sdarticle.pdf)
and as extract from this knowledge
the CSIRO Ultrabattery
http://www.csiro.au/en/Outcomes/Energy/Storing-renewable-energy/Ultra-Battery.aspx (http://www.csiro.au/en/Outcomes/Energy/Storing-renewable-energy/Ultra-Battery.aspx)
Pulsed -higher than grid frequency-charging gives longer cycle life
faster charging time gains
up to 1500 cycles for this lead battery-capacitor combination
This technology is used for battery reconditioning like here:
http://www.novitec.de/index.php/megapulse/megapulse (http://www.novitec.de/index.php/megapulse/megapulse)

Sincerely
              CdL
Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: lancaIV on August 30, 2013, 08:39:13 PM
Beginning with the "1500% energy out" we can read that this has been only the savings from 20Vx3,6A to 20Vx0,23A : for a 24V/ 4 Watt  ??? rated bulb !
Member Penno64 is right !


The basic idea using the heat element + driver concept and the result :
will the HF pulsing which for the light bulb means light on/off in ulta-short periods  also deliver energy savings by same heating effect ?
Important here the "Example 1":
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description;jsessionid=50F9058C5B61CBED6410E57A58DF3385.espacenet_levelx_prod_1?CC=US&NR=5130608A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19920714&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description;jsessionid=50F9058C5B61CBED6410E57A58DF3385.espacenet_levelx_prod_1?CC=US&NR=5130608A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19920714&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)
How fast is the heat element reaction ?

The second search will be the experiment about "OU-generating" batteries !


Sincerely
              CdL
Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: ingyenenergiagep on August 31, 2013, 07:49:20 PM
The voltage will be higher on resonance frequency, and suck the energy from the environment probably.
 The sound crashes out the glass of window on reso freq. The trumpet is very loud, but we don't make a lot of work.
Title: Re: 1500% energy out!
Post by: lancaIV on September 01, 2013, 04:13:33 PM
http://www.ile.osaka-u.ac.jp/research/THP/pdf/nphoton144.pdf (http://www.ile.osaka-u.ac.jp/research/THP/pdf/nphoton144.pdf)

in modern art used as heating foil :
http://www.m-therm.com/ (http://www.m-therm.com/)
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20031225&CC=EA&NR=004126B1&KC=B1 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20031225&CC=EA&NR=004126B1&KC=B1)

based by:
non-profit/non commercial invention from 1982 and developed in
East-G.D.R-Germany headed by the (later) Institute-leader Dr.Helmut Reichelt :

this material http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19910228&CC=DD&NR=287597A5&KC=A5 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19910228&CC=DD&NR=287597A5&KC=A5)  instead heater function :
cooling with 97% radiation-to-electricity-conversion efficiency proclaimed and integrated a THz-ion(vulgo "electrons")gas-cycle


Sincerely
              CdL