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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims  (Read 284274 times)

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #765 on: March 17, 2014, 11:32:16 AM »
You may also find this paper interesting. Authors are R.A Ainslie, H.W Gramm, G.A Lettenmaier, A.Palise, A. Gardiner, D Martin, S. Windisch.

This is the controversial rejected IEEE submission.




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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #766 on: March 17, 2014, 12:44:51 PM »
As far as I can tell there are _no_ data from the Grey Box available at all.

Remember how Ainslie always says that there was no measurable discharge of the batteries in the Quantum experiment? Well, it turns out that that all depends on which version of the documentation you consult. In an early report of that experiment Ainslie published this table:
Pray tell:
1. Where is the current measurement for the DUT?
2. Where is the voltage measurement for the control?
3. Where is the current measurement for the control?
4. What is the explanation for the increase in "Control Watts" during the last 37 minutes?

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #767 on: March 17, 2014, 01:29:24 PM »
That's all "explained" (sic) in the source document. I attached the document .pdf underneath the image of the table and graph. It's amazing how many reports of the same experimental trials there are out there.




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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #767 on: March 17, 2014, 01:29:24 PM »
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #768 on: March 17, 2014, 08:53:17 PM »
Are the DMMs valid indicators of the input power to the experimental system being driven by the 555 timer or other oscillator/clock? Poynt99 has analyzed this issue and found that they generally do a surprisingly good job of averaging even complicated-looking signals. And in the particular situation of my experimental setup ... so have I. At least at the one set of parameters I've explored so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMeHpTW_QIA


As far as "replicating" Ainslie's claimed data:
The trouble here is that Ainslie cannot be pinned down as to the proper operating parameters. As you have seen in the various "reports" of the original Quantum experiment, she cannot even agree with herself on the circuit used, much less the frequency and duty cycle needed to produce her claimed COP > 17.  If we stick with the claimed 2.4 kHz and 3.7 percent ON duty cycle as stated, YET AGAIN, in the 2009 versions of the reports (but without a specific timer/clock/oscillator circuit given) ... we have the problem of the SWeir decoded Grey Box, which cannot operate at that low a frequency, nor anywhere near it, and the Ainslie-endorsed Glen Lettenmeier work at 300 kHz and even higher.  It's highly convenient for Ainslie, this waffling and flailing about, moving goalposts. For you see.... the operating parameters that we find _do not_ produce any OU, do not produce excess heat at the load, do not recharge or keep the batteries charged up, don't slow down the rate of discharge.... well, silly, _those_ parameters are clearly not the magic Ainslie parameters!

Ainslie will not say : Use THIS precise circuit. Use THIS exact frequency or frequency range. Use THIS duty cycle. And you will obtain THESE results indicating 17 times more energy out than you are putting in. For when she has done so, as in the 2009 versions.... it turns out that nobody can corroborate her claims. So she has learned just where to obfuscate, how to move the goalposts, how to carry on with her denigration of her critics. What she hasn't learned is how she herself can accomplish what she has claimed to be able to do.... for in fact she cannot do it.


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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #769 on: March 17, 2014, 10:08:18 PM »
Are the DMMs valid indicators of the input power to the experimental system being driven by the 555 timer or other oscillator/clock? Poynt99 has analyzed this issue and found that they generally do a surprisingly good job of averaging even complicated-looking signals. And in the particular situation of my experimental setup ... so have I. At least at the one set of parameters I've explored so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMeHpTW_QIA


As far as "replicating" Ainslie's claimed data:
The trouble here is that Ainslie cannot be pinned down as to the proper operating parameters. As you have seen in the various "reports" of the original Quantum experiment, she cannot even agree with herself on the circuit used, much less the frequency and duty cycle needed to produce her claimed COP > 17.  If we stick with the claimed 2.4 kHz and 3.7 percent ON duty cycle as stated, YET AGAIN, in the 2009 versions of the reports (but without a specific timer/clock/oscillator circuit given) ... we have the problem of the SWeir decoded Grey Box, which cannot operate at that low a frequency, nor anywhere near it, and the Ainslie-endorsed Glen Lettenmeier work at 300 kHz and even higher.  It's highly convenient for Ainslie, this waffling and flailing about, moving goalposts. For you see.... the operating parameters that we find _do not_ produce any OU, do not produce excess heat at the load, do not recharge or keep the batteries charged up, don't slow down the rate of discharge.... well, silly, _those_ parameters are clearly not the magic Ainslie parameters!

Ainslie will not say : Use THIS precise circuit. Use THIS exact frequency or frequency range. Use THIS duty cycle. And you will obtain THESE results indicating 17 times more energy out than you are putting in. For when she has done so, as in the 2009 versions.... it turns out that nobody can corroborate her claims. So she has learned just where to obfuscate, how to move the goalposts, how to carry on with her denigration of her critics. What she hasn't learned is how she herself can accomplish what she has claimed to be able to do.... for in fact she cannot do it.
She has played her cards and lost.  What would be good is if you can show true power.  If none of your scopes do multiplication then you could stiffen up the voltage filtering.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #769 on: March 17, 2014, 10:08:18 PM »
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #770 on: March 18, 2014, 03:30:46 PM »
No, unfortunately not even the Link DSO can do trace multiplication. But I've broken out the SWeir-designed "Shifting Paradigms" PCB that has proper layout and filtering and gives reliable and accurate current and voltage readings. I've made a video introducing this board and once again confirming that the DMM's indication of average current is reasonably accurate. Since the battery voltage ripple is much reduced by this board, the average power can be reliably computed using the voltage and the average current readings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2ciLEt7op4

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #771 on: March 18, 2014, 03:37:40 PM »
Yes, she's played her cards and lost, falling flat on her face (and Donovan Martin's face as well) in the last two "live" demonstrations, and all properly performed experimentation with the circuits she has claimed to use, since 2009, have demonstrated her errors, false claims and mendacity for all to see. Yet she wants to be humiliated in public YET AGAIN, it seems! Her bravado is impressive, that's for sure. Poor Donovan Martin must be tired of looking bad in Ainslie's light. The lies and errors and outright incompetency of these people have no parallel, and they are so proud of their ignorance that they seem to want to show it off whenever possible.

Well, here's my response to the latest ten thousand words of ignorant and arrogant ranting from Ainslie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L33DMVWfS8g

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #772 on: March 18, 2014, 07:03:51 PM »
No, unfortunately not even the Link DSO can do trace multiplication. But I've broken out the SWeir-designed "Shifting Paradigms" PCB that has proper layout and filtering and gives reliable and accurate current and voltage readings. I've made a video introducing this board and once again confirming that the DMM's indication of average current is reasonably accurate. Since the battery voltage ripple is much reduced by this board, the average power can be reliably computed using the voltage and the average current readings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2ciLEt7op4
That looks pretty good. 

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #773 on: March 18, 2014, 11:46:38 PM »
Some results:



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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #773 on: March 18, 2014, 11:46:38 PM »
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #774 on: March 19, 2014, 03:28:11 AM »
The raw data from those runs, along with the graphs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN-wzEGXuqg

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #775 on: March 19, 2014, 04:11:24 AM »
The raw data from those runs, along with the graphs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN-wzEGXuqg
Using the switching circuit it looks like you are getting about 13W equivalent from 17W in, or roughly 76% efficiency.  A clean capture of the drain voltage at a good resolution like 5V/div and drain (source) current will allow estimation of switching and conduction losses which should come out to about the 4W difference. 

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #776 on: March 19, 2014, 04:20:58 AM »
Yes, that's right. The efficiency figures don't include the power dissipated at the mosfet of course; to get the full power dissipation of the circuit I'd have to immerse the whole thing in oil and do the same kind of runs that way. I'm sure that the goalposts will be moved out that far, eventually, by the Great Scientist, but until then I'm not going to show any of that working.

Here's how I'll be condensing and displaying the data from experimental runs as they accumulate. For the performance to be "overunity" or better than straight DC power the data point from an individual run has to fall above the DC calibration line. I've got two data points so far. I can put the results of any circuit, any input power, any operating parameters on this graph as long as it uses the same fancooled load cell in the same condition and reaches a stable or nearly stable temperature in under 60 minutes.



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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #777 on: March 19, 2014, 08:55:51 AM »
It seems that so far:  Your passive devices act passively. 

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #778 on: March 19, 2014, 12:33:48 PM »
I meant to ask:  How have you set-up the gray box input power measurements?   I think that you want to show that the error bars are small enough that they cannot change any comparative conclusions. 

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims
« Reply #779 on: March 19, 2014, 01:17:24 PM »
I meant to ask:  How have you set-up the gray box input power measurements?   I think that you want to show that the error bars are small enough that they cannot change any comparative conclusions.

Right you are. The primary data comes from the camera datalogging: The two DMMs measuring Voltage across the supply filter cap and in-line current in the positive lead to the DUT. Oscilloscope calibrations show that the voltage is essentially constant and the DMM's indicated current is within 5 percent of the value read from the scope using Vdrop across the non-inductive CSR arrangements (using the Link DSO, so I have real numbers, not just fingerpointings.) I've placed +/- 5% error bars on the DUT datapoints.... the bars are about the same size as the markers ! I've also made the error bars symmetrical, but I think the DMM's error is usually mostly on the low side. If pedantry and precision require it, I could take multiple data runs and use statistical procedures to get more accurate estimates of the error, but I think that this would yield even smaller error ranges on the plot.

I've added a run with the SWeir frequency-compensated Shifting Paradigms test board at about the same parameters as the two Grey Box trials, and I have another one yet to plot at near the original Quantum spec of 2.4 kHz and very short duty cycle. I couldn't get below 5.6 % using the F43, I'll have to resort to the DP101 to get a 3.7 percent duty cycle.

On the chart below, I reversed the axes so that Y error bars would correctly reflect the uncertainty in the power measurement, not the temperature measurement. So, on this chart, for a device to be doing better than the straight DC power, the data point must be _below_ the blue line of the DC calibration. That is, if a device needs more power to get to the same temperature as the DC powered load, it is less efficient and its point will be above the blue line. If the DUT needs _less_ power than the DC case to get to the same temperature, its point will fall below the blue line.

 

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