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Author Topic: Transducer coil and transducer effect.  (Read 8103 times)

Offline synchro1

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Transducer coil and transducer effect.
« on: August 22, 2013, 07:52:13 PM »

Daniel Nunez runs amplified audio signals into a 1:1 Rodin transformer coil and demonstrates overunity with a scope shot in this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqNqMfBj_F8


The coil acts like a microphone at resonant frequency and transforms sound into electric power. Apparently, it amplifies it too! I am beginning to experiment with the effect. I designed a Spiral knot coil, familiar to many of you, a lot simpler to construct then the sacred geometry job.


I'll go further at this point and postulate that a laminated core transformer will act the same way at resonant frequency, the 12 to 120 kind we buy from Radio Shack. I plan to try.



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Offline totoalas

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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2013, 07:57:53 PM »
can we use the water u;trasonic fogger  change the coil to a transformer output????

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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2013, 09:13:47 PM »
No overunity. Measurement artifact.

And he's not inputting "Sound" nor is sound being "transduced" here!

He is inputting an AC oscillation of _electricity_ at a frequency of 17 kHz, which is still considered to be "audio" although not many people can actually hear much above 14 kHz. And he's putting that in using a powerful audio frequency amplifier.

It's not "sound" unless you are vibrating some physical object that moves air, to make waves that you can hear. Electrical impulses at audio frequencies aren't "sound".

And POWER is NOT ENERGY. Getting more "power" measured this way on your output does not mean you have gotten more ENERGY out than you have put in.

OK. That is it. He is claiming "Overunity is possible with the POE-mini" and he is advertising them for sale on his website. This is a false claim, made to increase his sales of product.

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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2013, 09:13:47 PM »
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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2013, 01:34:20 AM »
The ultra sonic-fogger sounds like a winner!


I downloaded an audio generator to my laptop and bought the connections so now I'm out putting the tones through my amplifier earphones. Next; I plan to wire the earphone wires to two ends of one serial bifiar in the quadfilar spiral, and check for electrical output in the second coentwined serial bifilar.


Nunez runs it down at 842 Hz, in the high pitched audible range as well. I noticed the 17khz was high into the inaudible range. Retrod1 ran a pure sine wave through a TV toroid and accomplished magnet spin. I plan to fish around for the coil's resonance, tailored to load.  

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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2013, 02:51:13 AM »
I will back TK up on this one.  I watched the clip and the "power of language" issue is front and center here.  It applies to both what he says, and also to what he does not say.  He is just a beginner and does not know what he is doing.  He is just doing the clip by the numbers and blindly reading the meters.  And he is selling stuff with false claims, a real no no.

How do you get the speaker effect?

Answer lies here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfDQFtY1n8E

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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2013, 05:51:24 AM »
No overunity. Measurement artifact.
 
OK. That is it. He is claiming "Overunity is possible with the POE-mini" and he is advertising them for sale on his website. This is a false claim, made to increase his sales of product.
Lol
We all know whats coming next lol.
I wonder how he has his scope probe's placed?.

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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2013, 08:13:52 PM »
I got 50 D.C. millivolts through my second Quadfilar Spiral SBC, (Series Bifilar Coil) running 4000 Hz full sine wave audio signal from the earphone jack of a 50 watt amplifier through the first one. This should work on a laminated core transformer too. This effect is very similar to the Joule Ringer. The Quadfilar consists of four wires and eight ends twisted into a toroid, then wired into two series bifilars..

A very interesting trait of this kind of wrap is that it seems to work as a rectifier one way and an inverter the other. This twin bifilar rectifies the output from full sine wave to D.C. when fed this audio signal. When Pulsed D.C. is run through the one SBC the power inverts to A.C. in the other.  I doubt the core transformer will behave the same way.


This test proves the sacred geometry theory is bunk! There is no space in this coil. Space is a waste.

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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2013, 10:30:24 PM »
Synchro1:

This comment applies to Daniel Nunez's clip, your clip, and to others:  Without a detailed and accurate and complete schematic, showing the input and the output and all component values, your report about your measurements (and Daniel Nunez's report) is meaningless.  It's literally impossible to comment on your results and any back and forth comments between you and a poster about your results with no proper schematic is a kind of "dialog of the deaf."

Things have to be tangible and real when it comes to electronics.

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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2013, 10:40:04 PM »

Nunez has a miniaturized audio generator running 98 LED'S, rectified full sine wave off a twelve volt battery towards the end of this video. I have demonstrated frequency to LED brightness with no increase in power consumption. Luminosity is generated by frequency alone as a separate factor, without any increase in draw. Nunez's running in the Khz and lighting 98 instead of 8 LEDS.  


 



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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2013, 10:50:32 PM »
I will repeat it just this once:  The whole Nunez deal is pure junk.  Daniel Nunez and his girlfriend have absolutely no understanding of how a coil even works.  They are just cashing in on the "Marko Rodin 'vibe'" and using the free Internet and YouTube publicity to sell bird's nest coils that do nothing of any practical value.  It's a kitchen tabletop money-making scheme masquerading as some kind of "Green energy saving" deal.  You would be better off to go to your local Big Box hardware store and buy a spool of wire any size and any gauge that you want -> instant coil at a fraction of the cost of the bird's nest coil that will do exactly the same thing.

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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2013, 03:18:31 AM »
I think probably a laminated core transformer coupled with a rectifier might work. I still need to try that. I'm certain the transformer will ring at the same audio frequency it does with the Joule Ringer circuit.


Nevertheless, the power of four wires, twin SBC's, wether wrapped on a bobbin or toroid fashion has the unique characteristic of rectifying full sine wave input, and inverting pulsed D.C. to A.C.  


A core transformer with SBC'S on on each end should work the same rectifier inverter magic!  












 

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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2013, 05:47:33 AM »

Nunez has a miniaturized audio generator running 98 LED'S, rectified full sine wave off a twelve volt battery towards the end of this video. I have demonstrated frequency to LED brightness with no increase in power consumption. Luminosity is generated by frequency alone as a separate factor, without any increase in draw. Nunez's running in the Khz and lighting 98 instead of 8 LEDS. 


 



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sNI-EpJwFg[/size]

"I have demonstrated frequency to LED brightness with no increase in power consumption."

I can relate to that statement.  ;)

Was what you had seen, that at a particular freq(going up in freq) the led starts to jump to a brighter state?

I built a solid state laser project in 7th grade. The circuit description said that the led/laser diode would produce a higher state in order to produce the beam. Well later I experimented with a RS large 10mm red led and pulsing. Was using a small relay in my RS color computer driven by software. Taught myself assembler back then, early 80s. But the switching was definitely audio freq and just a battery, resistor and a cap.

When you use a magnifying glass in front of the led, you can project a pretty clear image of the chip  on a wall or paper. Even the anode wire can be seen well.

Well, when I raised the freq to a particular level, one of the 4 sides of the chip got brighter. Then upping the freq a bit more and a second side of the chip jumped up in brightness, and eventually all sides. I just used a 9v batt and a resistor that would be of lower value than to run the led on constantly.

If I hadnt built that laser circuit(which was IR. Not as much fun as I imagined.), then I wouldnt have tried to emulate the effect described with an led. 

My mountain bike rear light uses pulsing( you can actually just detect it with the eye) and it is BRIGHT red. Gets 100 hours off 2 AAA's. Its funny. when it gets low and dim, its like all of a sudden. Maybe there is a threshold voltage where it 'jumps' due to insufficient current, but still being pulsed.  ;) Just thought of that now. I could test that. Would be simple to emulate battery drop in a jiffy.

But if you still have the ability to do the extra bright tests, try the magnifying glass visual and see if one side of the chip lights first. 

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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2013, 06:13:36 AM »
Wow.... 98 LEDs on 12 volts, using frequencies!

How about 24 LEDs on less than 1.5 volts?  If you are impressed by Nunez, you really should check out the various JT threads where much better results are obtained... and better measurements are obtained!

This circuit of mine isn't particularly efficient, it even uses a 1:1 toroid winding. But it lights up 24 LEDs brilliantly using a depleted AAA battery, just one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM1qdATaiks

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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2013, 12:28:37 AM »
I just wired the amp audio output through a Radio Shack 120 to 12 volt transformer backwards and succeeded in illuminating a 120 volt A.C. CFL at 482 hz using the volume to control brightness! I am contemplating a video.


This test proves Daniel Nunez's "Sacred Geometry Coil" is a bunch of malarky.


Nunez aledges he can light only eight LEDS off his 12 volt battery while TK just demonstrated lighting 24 off a 1.5 AAA.

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Re: Transducer coil and transducer effect.
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2013, 02:18:25 AM »
I believe it should be possible to run a full bank of long florescent bulbs at full brightness with a powerful amplifier running a tailored audio frequency through a microwave transformer for a large grow light operation. Lumens per decibel!


My surround sound amp has five and seven channels for cube speakers and another for the bass. At least seven separate transformers could be wired on very easily for seven separate light banks. Each light bank could handle multiple bulbs. Tune to the load with frequency and and volume. What light controller could compare with the power of this amplifier?
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