Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal (Read 1741520 times)

skribat · « **Reply #1755 on:** April 24, 2015, 12:50:23 PM »

Dear Cangas 162 . I'm pleased to see that you also noticed that his attention span appears to be failing .. he is still remembering what he read 20 years ago instead of properly evaluating things put before him. he has become abusive and a lost cause, a complete waste of time and now people don't wish to communicate with him. Most of the questions he asks have been deal with several times, the information is out there and he is too lazy to properly read the posts. sk

CANGAS · « **Reply #1756 on:** April 24, 2015, 01:33:36 PM »

Quote from: TinselKoala on April 22, 2015, 04:51:29 AM

So Clarence has 60 ground rods pushed... not BEATEN, but pushed... into the ground in his yard? I just have one question:

Who mows his lawns?

(That map is interesting. Do you want to be where the field is strong? Then the Upper Peninsula of Michigan looks like where you want to be. I've heard the mosquitoes there are the size of small sparrows. And I do believe it gets rather cold in the winter. But the ice fishing is supposed to be good.)

Well, Tink, you seem to have a common problem with the other professional naysayers around here: you don't waste your valuable time to actually read the news. To your obvious total lack of knowing, commonly said, in your ignorance, his lawn mowing is no problem. Clarence ground rods and their wiring are all under the surface of the ground, after installation, according to rules of the land-owner, as plainly written early in this Thread, as any fool could have clearly seen. If literate.

And if having the common human courtesy of actually reading the Thread before blustering into it like a drunk African bull elephant.

CANGAS 165

CANGAS · « **Reply #1757 on:** April 24, 2015, 01:56:02 PM »

Quote from: tinman on April 22, 2015, 02:31:47 PM

I think this one has ground rod's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUZO1v8c7lU

The plural of R O D is R O D S. Not rod's. Got's it's?

CANGAS 167

MileHigh · « **Reply #1758 on:** April 24, 2015, 02:17:04 PM »

CANGAS ONE-SIXTY: You are one firey aggressive animal of a man.
Skribat: You are the sidekick of wonder.

Both of you: Have you noticed that Clarence's stock has been sinking fast on EF? If you want to be ahead of the game you should short-sell him. Explain to us how this contraption works? How does it actually work? Please annotate a schematic and post some timing diagrams. There are synchronous AC power supplies in the GROUND? Something like, "There's juice in them thar hills?"

If you both believe in this quackery, then why don't both of you GO AHEAD AND BUILD IT?

You both are probably on EF also? Why don't you ask Clarence where you put your multimeter probes on his schematic to verify the measurements he talks about? Look at post #1741 to see Clarence's instructions.

You want more information from another high technology free energy company that also leverages battery and inverter technology? They may be able to help you with your builds:

www.magnacoaster.com

MileHigh · « **Reply #1759 on:** April 24, 2015, 04:43:50 PM »

Some comments from Level on EF worth repeating here:

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Hello citfta. I had already pointed out to Clarence in this thread that the Barbosa and Leal patent does not show the neutral being grounded with another separate ground connection like that. Clarence replied that he was intentionally making it a SWER (single wire earth return) setup, as that is the only way he could get his setup to 'work'. It is obvious that Clarence does not have a technical background, and therefore what he may think is 'working' appears to be just the battery powering the system through the inverter. His battery starts to run down after running a load for a little while, and then he has to recharge the battery by plugging the battery charger into the mains. I have been holding off completely ruling out something out of the ordinary going on in Clarence's setup on the off chance that the 'captor loop' part might actually be adding something to the performance, but with Clarence pretty much refusing to do any meaningful analysis of how his setup is performing, we just can't say for certain.

We could have easily sorted this all out very quickly if Clarence had been open to doing some very basic tests regarding how his setup performs under a few different conditions, but it appears that this is something that Clarence was afraid of finding out. It seems he may have wanted to just blindly believe that his setup is over unity, and therefore wanted nothing to do with any testing that might show otherwise. The only other explanation I can think of for Clarence's behavior in this regard is that Clarence knew his setup was not working, but he believed he might be close but thought that the problem was with the earth ground not being suitable in his area. By claiming that his setup was 'working' and encouraging people to replicate, he may have been hoping that someone might get it working and show to Clarence that the problem with his own setup was with the earth ground in his area. However, I don't think it is likely that is what the problem is with Clarence's setup. I think that if Barbosa and Leal's devices really can self run, then there may be one or more things that they have hidden or misdirected in their patent documents that replicators are still missing. There is of course also the possibility that their devices just don't work at all, but I am still not jumping to any conclusions myself about that yet.
>>>

Don't be surprised if Clarence is on his last legs, on his way out. In this day and age you can disappear with a single click of the mouse.

Grumage · « **Reply #1760 on:** April 24, 2015, 07:40:28 PM »

[quote author=Pirate88179 link=topic=13721.msg447483#msg447483 date=1429847560
Bill

***EDIT*** I wanted to add that more than likely some, or a lot of this energy may be galvanic but, from the numbers, I don't see how all of it can be.
[/quote]

Dear Bill.
With respect.

I myself feel that this cannot be galvanic, at least what I am seeing. A galvanic reaction requires dissimilar materials. I am using a pair of Copper plated rods !! The other point I would like to make is the fact that I am seeing the voltage instantly, surety the Ionic path would take some time to cover the 8 M, 26 feet of distance !!

And would galvanism explain this ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x__NQOtrzf0

Cheers Grum.

TinselKoala · « **Reply #1761 on:** April 24, 2015, 08:22:41 PM »

Quote from: CANGAS on April 24, 2015, 01:33:36 PM

Well, Tink, you seem to have a common problem with the other professional naysayers around here: you don't waste your valuable time to actually read the news. To your obvious total lack of knowing, commonly said, in your ignorance, his lawn mowing is no problem. Clarence ground rods and their wiring are all under the surface of the ground, after installation, according to rules of the land-owner, as plainly written early in this Thread, as any fool could have clearly seen. If literate. And if having the common human courtesy of actually reading the Thread before blustering into it like a drunk African bull elephant.

CANGAS 165

Well, leaving aside the usual script you are following where people who have no evidence for their claims just insult their questioners rather than providing the evidence.... you've answered the question: He has no need to mow because he must have no lawn left! 60 ground rods "pushed not POUNDED" into the ground with tops below the surface, holes drilled by water-drilling, all connected with buried wires linking them to each other and to his "captor" system..... Let's see a photograph of this great muddy mess.

You're hilarious, with your insults and personal attacks. Here's the response you deserve for your eighth-grade insults: "I'm rubber you're glue, bounces off me and sticks to you, nyah nyah nyah..."

If you are having trouble decoding that, it means that your silly insults affect the facts not at all, affect me not at all, and only reflect badly upon your own character.

Enjoykin · « **Reply #1762 on:** April 24, 2015, 10:08:29 PM »

Quote from: Grumage on April 24, 2015, 07:40:28 PM

And would galvanism explain this ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x__NQOtrzf0

Cheers Grum.

Excellent experiment of your son Grum.

What made voltage rising was Scalar electromagnetic filed. H* = - div A.

In two simple words - longitudinal scalar waves running through the rod and ground.

What scalar waves are ?? Kind of preassure waves which make deformation (gradient) of electric potential lines at ground and rod. Remember original Tesla picture from 1900th with air pump pumping earth balloon.

Reg.
Enjoykin !!

ramset · « **Reply #1763 on:** April 24, 2015, 10:12:06 PM »

Grum
dragon has some additional thoughts on this "energy from the ground"
he mentioned this patent which highlights a "Jump " phenomena attached to Ferro resonance

http://www.google.com/patents/US3246219

So I asked him the following question
"Have you done any definitive testing on this Jump phenomena ??
or incorporated this into an "energy from the ground"array ?"

His response below
dragon
quote
Yes I have, bluntly speaking, I have no intention of sharing that data or my work in this area at this point in time. I laid out the information for others to investigate its potential, nothing more. In relation to the B&L device think of it as a modulator - instead of a magnet your using current (electromagnet) to alter inductance. That loop to ground , assuming its around 30pf, represents approx Xc= 88 meg ohm at 60 hz. At resonance it is zero. If it passes through resonance, as an example, 120 times per second (full cycle) there is a hard pulse sent into the ground allowing current to return through the same link causing huge shifts.

What would happen if there was an exchange of electrons through the ground loop from the current loop in clarences schematic? A shorted inverter...

The way I interpret this device's function is to send the Line voltage into the current loop then the same line on exit is "mixed" with voltage and its amplified current. So my question would be how do you phase mix the high current in the loop with the voltage/current input from the inverter. Leaving only the ground loop as the solution to phasing.

end quote

GeoFusion · « **Reply #1764 on:** April 24, 2015, 10:33:11 PM »

Hi Guyz

A reminder on one of the experiments I did with the ground with HV.

Ground Dependent HV HF device

VID 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1SP9nMVWec

VID 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3hU5CCBt5k

Now imagine 150VDC + input and below 0.5 amps, that would be a a sick output.
The cap and ground is something very important here.

Enjoy.

Grumage · « **Reply #1765 on:** April 24, 2015, 10:34:47 PM »

Dear Enjoykin.

Thank you sir.

Dear Chet.

Methinks the plot thickens!!

Here is a copy and paste of my post at OUR. Perhaps there might be someone here who could replicate my findings ?

Quote.
Can anyone pick up the gauntlet from me ?

I have just finished an experiment injecting the rod 8 M away with a Sinus wave and looking at the signal at the closest rod. I saw no unusual signal until the 1 mhz frequency where the received signal appeared to be larger than the applied one.

Unfortunately my FG maxes at 1.6 mhz. I wonder if anyone can push this boundary to see if the effect is both valid and maybe even increases the received signal ?

Unquote.

Cheers Grum.

MileHigh · « **Reply #1766 on:** April 24, 2015, 10:39:14 PM »

Quote from: Enjoykin on April 24, 2015, 10:08:29 PM

Excellent experiment of your son Grum.

What made voltage rising was Scalar electromagnetic filed. H* = - div A.

In two simple words - longitudinal scalar waves running through the rod and ground.

What scalar waves are ?? Kind of preassure waves which make deformation (gradient) of electric potential lines at ground and rod. Remember original Tesla picture from 1900th with air pump pumping earth balloon.

Reg.
Enjoykin !!

Why always indulge in your fantasies? There are no "longitudinal scalar waves running through the rod and ground" because if that was true we would have heard about it a long time ago.

There is an explanation, but "pushing your fantasies" into the explanation is not it.

Grum said that both rods are the same material. So that rules out standard galvanic corrosion. However, there could be very thin coatings on those rods that are a result of the manufacturing process. Those coatings may undergo some kind of electrochemical reaction and if there is an uneven distribution of the coatings on both rods that might explain it. Since the ground is teeming with life, and life is electrochemical in nature, that might explain it. One rod could be in an area with more active life processes than the other.

Have you ever noticed that just moving the tips of your multimeter probes across a metallic surface can show different voltages? It's possible that just a bit of finger grease between the tip of one probe and the metal surface that the probe tip is touching sets up an super tiny electrochemical battery that only lasts 30 seconds.

Just the life processes in the earth, the bacteria, the respiration and all of the other life-based chemical reactions, may generate the voltage observed. That also includes the decaying of organic matter.

The truth is I have no idea what causes the voltages that Grum observed. It could be due to telluric currents, but my gut instinct is telling me that that is not the case. I believe the observed voltages are way too high for that. Telluric currents are solar power in action, by the way.

What I am feeling is that it would not be an easy search, and it may take an hour or more to find the real reason. I am not willing to invest the energy in that.

What I can tell you is that for all my life when playing with a digital multimeter set on DC voltage, and you are just casually playing with the probes, you almost never see the display show zero volts when the multimeter is set to the most sensitive setting. Why is that? There is an explanation for that also, and I don't know precisely what it is.

One thing I know is just thermal heat, we are in a sea of thermal heat because we are above absolute zero, that heat creates white electrical AC noise - "white noise." There is white electrical noise everywhere because we are above absolute zero. There is "sky noise temperature" but don't ask me to define it because I learned it a generation ago in school.

I can tell you two things:

1. You don't know why Grum is getting the voltage measurement just like I don't know why.
2. It's NOT because of your "longitudinal scalar waves" fantasy.

You want to be a researcher with EMJunkie? Did you see how silly you both looked referencing that "paper" on the other thread?

If you are a researcher you do not make assumptions to confirm your own bias and fantasies, NEVER.

Please take my advice seriously. Electronics is not a bunch of brightly coloured jellybeans for you to eat.

MileHigh

ramset · « **Reply #1767 on:** April 24, 2015, 10:47:22 PM »

Grumage
I think a better path would be to get you the equipment to do these experiments.
or perhaps get some method to run up the scale from another cheap method {pc driven??]

Perhaps MH or some one familiar can make a suggestion ?

MileHigh · « **Reply #1768 on:** April 24, 2015, 11:00:58 PM »

Grum:

If you are going to continue with your voltage from the ground experiments, I have a suggestion for you.

When people measure voltages like this, they rarely attempt to measure the output impedance of the voltage source. There is more information to ponder once you make a measurement of the output impedance.

You know that a typical multimeter has an input impedance of one megaohm. We will assume to keep it simple that that is high enough to not affect your voltage measurements. In reality, the impedance of a voltage source from two rods in the earth may be so high that the multimeter will affect the voltage measurement. But like I said, let's simply ignore that for now.

To make the measurement:

Suppose you measure 0.2 volts DC from your rods in the ground.

Then let's say you put a 100K ohm resistor across that output voltage and your measurement drops to 0.1 volts.

That's it, you now know that the output impedance of the voltage source you are measuring is 100K ohm.

The trick is to just find the value of resistor that drops your voltage measurement by half. That resistor value is equal to the output impedance of your voltage source.

Why is it interesting? You might find short rods in dry earth give you an output impedance of 100K ohm, and longer rods in wet earth give you an output impedance of 30K ohm.

I am just making up numbers out of thin air.

What is the output impedance of an alkaline AA cell? Not sure, it might be two or three ohms.

What is the output impedance of a fresh car battery? Probably somewhere around 0.001 ohms.

It's all part of the exploration process. Quoting voltage and output impedance is five times more interesting than quoting voltage alone.

MileHigh

MileHigh · « **Reply #1769 on:** April 24, 2015, 11:08:50 PM »

Also, the pH of the ground where one rod is located may be different from the pH of the ground where the other rod is located. pH is all about electro-chemistry and the ability of a given concentration of base/acid to corrode a given type of metal, among other things. It's not unreasonable to guess that the pH of the soil in one location is different than the pH of the soil in a location five meters away. That could explain the DC voltage measurement.

I am just guessing again.

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