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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1581010 times)

Offline a.king21

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #990 on: January 29, 2015, 10:44:21 PM »
Clarence: Sorry to hear about your equipment. Lots of us are quietly keeping an eye on this thread and hope you succeed.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #991 on: February 03, 2015, 10:02:50 PM »
hi guys .. Spanish isn't my language ( a little Spanish and basic French)  but this looks VERY interesting, was sent to me by a friend in Brazil .. all you Spanish speakers this is your chance to shine .. good luck with the translation .. skribat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504

Offline Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #992 on: February 04, 2015, 04:54:00 PM »
Clarence: Sorry to hear about your equipment. Lots of us are quietly keeping an eye on this thread and hope you succeed.

Clarence:

Hello a.king21, void, & ALL,

the weather here has NOT been favorable at all  to finishing the wire connections to the ground rods and sealing the connections
(since they had to be below the surface by about 4 inches and could not be protruding above ground level at all- property
owners demands). I deemed the moisture sealing of connections and keeping dirt, etc. completely away from bare wire and clamps
as necessary to ensure no type of resistance sources between earth - rod - wire - and device. I want to keep everything clean and
unhampered to give a reliable result to the outcome of this revised GROUND ROD RETURN SYSTEM.

I have the background of the previous TWO rod system results at 84v to 90v to compare results against.
my new Tripp Lite PR 30 is in and in place ready to go ( hooked to mains supply this time until I determine that it IS or IS NOT safe to
to include it in the system.

I thought it was humorous about me getting a farmhand to help me put the rods in the ground!
This is a 64 acre farm alright but the ONLY FARMHAND HERE IS M E E E!!!
meanwhile back at the farm - working on getting it done, the weather clearing hopefully ( Louisiana is a little swampy!) .
Will give new info as it happens.

Thanks , cheers!

Clarence




Offline Void

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #993 on: February 04, 2015, 06:13:55 PM »
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the update. Ok on you being the only farmhand. ;)
Take your time mate. Rushing at this sort of stuff does not help anything.
If it is kind of swampy out in your neck of the woods then that may mean that
you should have quite good potential conditions for getting a really good earth ground.
All the best...


Offline Bob Smith

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #994 on: February 04, 2015, 06:48:12 PM »
hi guys .. Spanish isn't my language ( a little Spanish and basic French)  but this looks VERY interesting, was sent to me by a friend in Brazil .. all you Spanish speakers this is your chance to shine .. good luck with the translation .. skribat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504
Skribat, nice find!
Only had time to watch the first video (over lunch at work). 
He's basically saying that the B&L schematic people have been working with are not producing the desired effects. He then shows another schematic that doesn't produce the effect either. Then, he shows one that does seem to produce abundant amps from the ground, starting around 7:20.

Here's what he says at 18:15:
"I believe B&L haven't told us the whole truth. If we input direct current without this capacitor (see right side of diagram), there is no substantial raising of current. To capture the electrons from the ground, there needs to be a means that permits, by induction, for them to be generated. And this instrument (means of induction) is still the capacitor, one of the great protagonists of electricity and electronics."

Note, the negative input remains hanging or "in the air" as he says.  He's showing 115V, 0.0-1.0A in, and at each winding of his transformer, he's getting around 168 amps.  That's a lot of juice. The mains amperage draw continues to be around 1A even as he's running lights and some other gizmo (didn't catch what it was) off the output. It would seem the extra electrical charge is coming from the ground.

Looks like pretty impressive results.
I wonder how we could scale that back to a simpler level.
Looking at his schematic, I see an open system (with open neg lead), and with the capacitor, I'm reminded of Tesla's apparatus for collecting radiant energy.
Hope this helps.
Back to work Bob.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #995 on: February 04, 2015, 08:27:58 PM »
Looks like pretty impressive results.
I wonder how we could scale that back to a simpler level.
Looking at his schematic, I see an open system (with open neg lead), and with the capacitor, I'm reminded of Tesla's apparatus for collecting radiant energy.
Hope this helps.
Back to work Bob.

Hi Bob. I watched that guy's videos a couple of weeks ago. He doesn't seem to understand
even the basics of doing proper power measurements, and he also seemed not to be aware
that neutral is usually earth grounded at the electrical panel (not sure about in his country however).
In the last video of his I watched he was showing what appeared to be way more input power consumption than
he was delivering to his load, and he seems oblivious that this is actually indicating quite a bit less than unity.
Someone pointed this out to him in a comment to his video, and the guy replied that "he was excited". He seems
to have not understood the significance of the relation between input power compared to output power. Also
his measurements are completely inadequate. It appears that he doesn't really know what he is doing. I
hope he doesn't electrocute himself.
All the best...


Offline Bob Smith

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #996 on: February 04, 2015, 10:29:28 PM »
Thanks for your observations Void.
Yeah, those wires kinda freaked me out - for him and the dogs.
Bob

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #997 on: February 06, 2015, 11:59:57 PM »
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the update. Ok on you being the only farmhand. ;)
Take your time mate. Rushing at this sort of stuff does not help anything.
If it is kind of swampy out in your neck of the woods then that may mean that
you should have quite good potential conditions for getting a really good earth ground.
All the best...

Clarence:

Hello Void, a.king21, & ALL,

just a quick update: I just finished all the connections for my new ground grid system and it is
now evening here so I am going to quit for the  day!
after morning farm work I will start about noon to begin some new in depth testing and note taking, etc.
hopefully all the effort will be worth it, but fear not iv'e got another one of Tesla's way to get the job done!
I will wait until about noon Sunday to post the test results - good,bad, or ugly.

thanks, cheers!

Clarence

Offline Void

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #998 on: February 07, 2015, 05:00:07 AM »
Sounds good Clarence. Even if this doesn't work out, you now have yourself one
excellent earth ground for any other experiments you may want to try. :)
All the best...


Offline skribat

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #999 on: February 08, 2015, 02:27:28 PM »
Skribat, nice find!
Only had time to watch the first video (over lunch at work). 
He's basically saying that the B&L schematic people have been working with are not producing the desired effects. He then shows another schematic that doesn't produce the effect either. Then, he shows one that does seem to produce abundant amps from the ground, starting around 7:20.

Here's what he says at 18:15:
"I believe B&L haven't told us the whole truth. If we input direct current without this capacitor (see right side of diagram), there is no substantial raising of current. To capture the electrons from the ground, there needs to be a means that permits, by induction, for them to be generated. And this instrument (means of induction) is still the capacitor, one of the great protagonists of electricity and electronics."

Note, the negative input remains hanging or "in the air" as he says.  He's showing 115V, 0.0-1.0A in, and at each winding of his transformer, he's getting around 168 amps.  That's a lot of juice. The mains amperage draw continues to be around 1A even as he's running lights and some other gizmo (didn't catch what it was) off the output. It would seem the extra electrical charge is coming from the ground.

Looks like pretty impressive results.
I wonder how we could scale that back to a simpler level.
Looking at his schematic, I see an open system (with open neg lead), and with the capacitor, I'm reminded of Tesla's apparatus for collecting radiant energy.
Hope this helps.
Back to work Bob.

hi Bob ..  many thanks for the translation .. your post also reminded me .. it seems that almost everyone working on replicating the captor for some reason ignores their use of the magnetic pulse device use in their system .. as with the Kapenadze system I suspect this is important .. or why would it be there.  skribat ..

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1000 on: February 08, 2015, 03:25:10 PM »
it seems that almost everyone working on replicating the captor for some reason ignores their use of the magnetic pulse device use in their system ..

Hi skribat. Can you elaborate a bit on the 'magnetic pulse device' you are referring to?
Is it mentioned in any of the patents, and, if so, which ones? Or where is this described?
All the best...

Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1001 on: February 08, 2015, 04:17:29 PM »
Hi Bob. I watched that guy's videos a couple of weeks ago. He doesn't seem to understand
even the basics of doing proper power measurements, and he also seemed not to be aware
that neutral is usually earth grounded at the electrical panel (not sure about in his country however).
In the last video of his I watched he was showing what appeared to be way more input power consumption than
he was delivering to his load, and he seems oblivious that this is actually indicating quite a bit less than unity.
Someone pointed this out to him in a comment to his video, and the guy replied that "he was excited". He seems
to have not understood the significance of the relation between input power compared to output power. Also
his measurements are completely inadequate. It appears that he doesn't really know what he is doing. I
hope he doesn't electrocute himself.
All the best...

Hi Void,
In my home my grid is 220v 50hz the ground is isolated from neutral,  and RCD system is protecting all the sockets.
Seems to me that is need some kind of "Kick" to circuit work with 110v network. in the load is used a halogen 50w 240v.
In this video, with a variac in input , clearly see that effect only will start when a reach 130v , after, we can lower the voltage and the "effect" will continue.
Is the main idea to Barbosa use a hv discharge protector , to give a extra kick to circuit start work.
But is other ways to control this aspect.

Good luck to everyone.
 https://i.ytimg.com/vi/G-ob1GY6dXs/default.jpg?v=54d36066

 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1002 on: February 08, 2015, 04:23:19 PM »
Hi skribat. Can you elaborate a bit on the 'magnetic pulse device' you are referring to?
Is it mentioned in any of the patents, and, if so, which ones? Or where is this described?
All the best...

hi Void .. as far as I recall it is in all of the patent and specs I read, right from the very first, it is a rotary magnet pulse generator, as far as I can see it serves the same purpose as the spark device in the Kapanadze generator, without this I assume it won't work, it seems to work as a wave generator .. and its frequency has to be tuned in to the system power surge I think.  if you look at some of the early posts here, perhaps around page 22 ? you will find things I posted which describes this but there is not a specification for it .. may be a little hush-hush .. could just be a simple hall effect trigger ..  skribat

Offline Bob Smith

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1003 on: February 08, 2015, 04:30:10 PM »
hi Bob ..  many thanks for the translation .. your post also reminded me .. it seems that almost everyone working on replicating the captor for some reason ignores their use of the magnetic pulse device use in their system .. as with the Kapenadze system I suspect this is important .. or why would it be there.  skribat ..
Hi Skribat
Glad to help in a small way. My interest is in identifying the central principle(s) involved. As you say, there seems to be elements in common with TK's work, and I'm sure there are others.  The patent notes that this B&L technology can be used "to trap electrons from space" as well to "extract electrons from the earth." See page 33, first paragraph here:
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter3.pdf

I believe this is basically what Moray was doing - starting with pulling a charge out of the earth, then later adapting his setup to use a kind of virtual ground. Bearing that in mind then, what is it that this system is actually doing?  Is it perhaps more in the nature of exciting the electrostatic environment and creating a kind of gradient of charge imbalance/separation which invites nature to supply charges to restore what the environment perceives as an imbalance?

In my mind, if we can figure out this principle and how to apply it in a variety of different modalities (solid state, mechanical and hybrid combinations), we can effectively blow open a door with huge possibilities - one that can't be closed.
Bob

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1004 on: February 08, 2015, 05:04:26 PM »
hi Void .. as far as I recall it is in all of the patent and specs I read, right from the very first, it is a rotary magnet pulse generator, as far as I can see it serves the same purpose as the spark device in the Kapanadze generator, without this I assume it won't work, it seems to work as a wave generator .. and its frequency has to be tuned in to the system power surge I think.  if you look at some of the early posts here, perhaps around page 22 ? you will find things I posted which describes this but there is not a specification for it .. may be a little hush-hush .. could just be a simple hall effect trigger ..  skribat

Hi skribat. Hmm, Ok. I don't recall seeing anything about a rotary magnet pulse generator or any pulse component in the B&L patents,
but maybe I missed it, or I was understanding it as something else.
All the best...