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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1580983 times)

Offline Spokane1

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #960 on: January 12, 2015, 10:48:28 PM »
Here is a schematic that you can mark up and I shall then correct so that we can all properly archive your fine work.
My focus is on the Gray technology, however I find some very interesting correlations with the B & L circuit. These are:
1. A "Captor Loop" configuration
2. A source of mobile charge carriers (Gray's team used batteries)
3. Two independant opposing taps from seperate transformers driven in parallel
4. High COP at high power densities (This was verified at Cal-Tech for Gray's circuit)
5 Very similiar kinds of components (However Gray did employ a spark gap)
Gray's team used higher voltages and were working in pulse mode
Spokane1

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #961 on: January 12, 2015, 10:51:36 PM »
jpg version of the same circuit

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #962 on: January 12, 2015, 11:39:57 PM »
Here is a schematic that you can mark up and I shall then correct so that we can all properly archive your fine work.
My focus is on the Gray technology, however I find some very interesting correlations with the B & L circuit. These are:
1. A "Captor Loop" configuration
2. A source of mobile charge carriers (Gray's team used batteries)
3. Two independant opposing taps from seperate transformers driven in parallel
4. High COP at high power densities (This was verified at Cal-Tech for Gray's circuit)
5 Very similiar kinds of components (However Gray did employ a spark gap)
Gray's team used higher voltages and were working in pulse mode
Spokane1

Clarence:

Hello Spokane1,

You did excellent! Go for it! by the time you get through with your build you will have an outlay of
approx a 1000.00 usd. I am using the 1000 watt Aims inverter now but I am going to replace it with an
Xantrex 2000 watt inverter because thats the size B&L themselves used in their 6000 watt demo and they
 also used a BOSCH S4 12vbattry! I used 4 0f the 12v 7AH batt because for the time being it was cheaper
 and LIGHTER! the Bosch batt weighs about 40 lb! but it is definitely a high AH unit. good luck and cheers!

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #963 on: January 13, 2015, 12:14:31 AM »
STAR SISTEMA TRANSFORMADOR DE AMPLIFICACION RESONANTE HIBRIDOR ! Has anybody tried this one !? It looks a bit crappy setup but never the less it is working ! 

http://youtu.be/E0bOK7ChwbQ

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #964 on: January 13, 2015, 12:34:54 AM »
Clarence:  I checked the power system for Iowa Lousiana and it appears to be a conventional 3 wire system which is encouraging.
In other parts of the USA they use SWER, which is discouraging for obvious reasons.


I think you should repeat your experiments to ensure consistency, if possible.
Great work so far.

Offline Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #965 on: January 13, 2015, 01:50:42 AM »
Clarence:  I checked the power system for Iowa Lousiana and it appears to be a conventional 3 wire system which is encouraging.
In other parts of the USA they use SWER, which is discouraging for obvious reasons.


I think you should repeat your experiments to ensure consistency, if possible.
Great work so far.

Clarence:

Hello a.king21,

Yes I know my rural residential mains system is not SWER. Also working with grounded systems
on this 64 acre cattle farm I manage for my son and daughter in law speaking with respect to fence
hot wire systems which will power up to 50 miles of fence hot wire - their explicit systems TELL YOU
not to ground ANY hotwire system CLOSER THAN 20 ft to ANY MAINS ground rod as it would be
possible to pickup the mains voltage with its higher amperage and add to the 10,000v @ 0.020amp
fence charger circuit and KILL the live stock that came in touch with the fence hot wire! having that
knowledge before hand I knew that I had to keep my Inverter SWER System as FAR as possible from
my residential mains ground rod! I did locate my inverter SWER system 45 ft away from my mains ground!
so I feel that I am not picking up relatively anything from my mains system! there's that word again ---RELATIVELY !
as I said before there are MANY entities that are involved in the earth as a ground! Lightning-Commercial
power Utility Companies- Solar systems- fence hot wire systems (lots in this part of the country)-ETC.
I believe my inverter SWER Ground Grid System is as much a separate system unto it self as possible!
I intend to retest with the 250 watt heat lamp as soon as I have my ground system updated. I am down until then.
I intend to run all my tests for an hours length of time for consistency as you say.
Thanks again a.king21. I do appreciate your encouragement and posts!

Cheers,LOL

Clarence 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #966 on: January 17, 2015, 06:58:14 PM »
Clarence:

Hello a.king21 & all,

I received my new 6AWG wire and installed in the input ground rod leg and it did not make any difference
in the voltage available to the system with no load at idle. still only 90 volts before system looped. however
when I looped the system as batt-inverter-toroids-power supply-back to batt  the batt voltage went
from 12.4 to 12.1 volts and the load system voltage to the power supply dropped from 90 volts to 77.1 volts
when the 250 watt light was was plugged in. the batt voltage went down to 12 volt also. after 10 minutes into the run
withe the 250 watt light fully lit the batt voltage droped to 11.9 volt and the voltage supply for the power supply dropped
under 77.1 volts and the power supply shutdown by itself!

I immediately pulled the bulb and the power supply came back on with the batt voltage at 11.9 volt and
I let the looped system run the rest of the hour period to see if it would at least maintain itself - and it did - but unloaded.
the batt voltage remained at  11.9 volts.

I asked my self what to hell was different this time from the last time I tested and the 250 light ran at 12.4 volts
with the system looped. the only thing I keep coming up with is the fact that it has rained a lot here for the last two weeks
 and this last Monday they put up a oil rig just a little over a quarter of a mile from my house and have been drilling!
A drill casing and drill pipe are one gigantic ground rod and the drill stem actually becomes radioactive in the process.
all of that would definitely play hell with my three little ground rods.

All of this experience has SHOWN me that this basic build as I have it DOES work! the FACT that it DOES maintain itself unloaded
is its own evidence! the fact that it maintains itself at a STEADY batt voltage shows that it is harnessing some extra energy from the GROUND!
Though at the present time the amount harnessed is SMALL ---so is my GROUND GRID SYSTEM!!!!! and that has made itself clear to me.

the Grid system that B&L recommended was a 40 rod 30 meter by 50 meter lay out! not my puny little 3 rod attempt. but it has been a
learning event and I know which way to go! I need a larger Inverter (2000/4000surge) - I need a larger AmpHour batt 12volt (93AH) -
and I need to have a better and more productive GROUND GRID SYSTEM.
And isn't that what this system is supposed to be about-----ENERGY FROM THE GROUND!

Thanks to all members for your attention and kindness!!!!

Onward,  Clarence!

BTW: when I have achieved a better working GROUND GRID SYSTEM I WILL post to you all those results! Thanks Again!

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #967 on: January 17, 2015, 07:09:57 PM »
Hello Clarence

 If you have a low output voltage tries to increase one wound
 a secondary coil of the first transformer maybe too but you
have a reference ..

 Leo48

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #968 on: January 17, 2015, 09:36:40 PM »
Clarence:

Hello leo48,

I don't want to change any of the balance in my two toroids with their two windings on each of their secondaries.
prior to putting ANY load on the circuit to the power supply which IS a load the circuit to the power supply
shows 116.2 volts which is exactly the same as the inverter is putting out. its when you attach a Load of any type that the
circuit having its neutral leg supplied by the return from the ground grid that the voltage drops to 90 volts (about +-).
that's an indication to me that the Ground Grid System with just the three ground rods just doesn't have enough bang for the buck!

But while thinking it over- the return ground wire which is wrapped around the looped secondary is just looped 
once as shown in all theirpatent info drawings-I might just loop it twice or three times just for the hell of it and see
if it makes any difference. that would be easy to do and undo it it doesn't make any improvement. Ill try!

Cheers,

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #969 on: January 18, 2015, 12:57:30 PM »
Hello Clarence


I've heard that ground may be replaced by car battery. It may be interesting to check if you have old sulfated batteries. Just be careful, Edwin Gray used deep cycle marine battery and he mentiond they often exploded.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #970 on: January 18, 2015, 01:35:16 PM »
Clarence:

Hello forest,

I follow your thinking. THANKS much!!

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #971 on: January 20, 2015, 11:05:26 PM »
Dear Clarance,
I have explored the Gray technology extensivly and forest brings up a good point about the idea of using a battery to replace the grounding network. He is correct in reporting that the Gray team had problems in the early 70's with exploding batteries. However that issue was resolved by 1976. The risk you face with your system and a battery is probably very minimual since the Gray technology was applying 1 mS 600Amp pulses to their battery array.
I have read in the Tesla documents theat the master stated that either the negative of a battery or a grounding system could be used to connect the low end of his radiant energy transmitter. He said that a ground was easier.
If the Barbosa & Leal technology requires an extensive grounding network that is composed of 30 to 40 grounding rods then I doubt that their work would find much application in the Western world. If it proves to be technically viable then it might be a god-send for 3rd world countires with low population densities and lots of land.
I would certainly love to hear about the impact of the grounding system being replaced with a wet-cell battery. I have attached my best guess as to how this would be connected to your system. Other topologies are possible as well. Didn't the B&L team already produce a video on this same subject?
By the way, the Gray technology employed two (somethimes three) battery banks from the very beginning. One was for the excitation power supply while the other served some vital part in the non-classical conversion process. The "Backend" battery was discharged in the process of operation and needed to be recharged from an external source. The OU of this system was torque and not a direct electrical output.
Spokane1
 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #972 on: January 21, 2015, 05:06:38 AM »
Clarence:

Hello Spokane1,

If anyone wants to try a battery instead of a ground system go ahead!
their safety will not be impaired if they take whatever battery they want to use
(900 cold crank- high amp hour automotive suggested)
and convert it from a lead acid battery which could explode to a ALUM CRYSTAL BATTERY that John Bedini
perfected which would not explode! the electrolyte is just plain old grocery store ALUM in the spice area!
It is mixed with distilled water from the grocery store also! You can type in to your search engine this wording--:
Conversion Of A Dry-Charge Lead Acid Battery To An Alum Crystal Cell Battery  John Bedini  . his video gives
all the necessary information to accomplish this! When I purchase my new LARGER battery to replace my array
of 4 small 7AH batteries that is what I intend to do. they Charge faster than regular batteries so my
Tripp Lite power supply should be able to handle the job for sure.

tommorrow I will obtain all the rods with clamps (9 of each) to enlarge my Ground Grid System.
I will also buy 100 ft of direct burial #10 - 2 -with gw  wire to connect everything as necessary.
the three wires in the cable I will lump together as three #10 AWG strands. and should serve the purpose.
totals about another 200.00 USD. oh well !

what I intend to construct will be a 16 foot circle diameter having 8 rods in its perimeter ( the #8 rod NOT being
connected back to the #1 rod so that the system stays open ended )  for the return side and 1 (one)
rod at the very center for the input.  this will give approximately 6 feet between each perimeter rod. being space limited
this will give me a 9 rod system for my first increase in my system.
If I need to increase further - I can keep going in the same direction and add 1 or 2 or 3 more circle units as need for
a total of 64 feet.  5+ meters by 21+ meters.

I have done a lot of testing and retesting of my whole system. I have determine that the actual input to the ground
system IS 116.2 volts.The voltage across the input rod to the two return rods is 0.10 volts. at present that is all that
is coming back through the return ground system leg!!! that is why the voltage across the LINE PHASE and the GROUND NEUTRAL
falls drastically when ANY LOAD is placed across THAT CIRCUIT. one leg is supplying 116.2 volts and the other leg is only supplying
0.10 volts. I would fall on my ass too if one of my legs was normal and the other was an INCH short and had to carry a load - even
just my own body.

So its back to the name of the game AGAIN!  ENERGY FROM THE GROUND _GROUND _ GROUND!
ONWARD, Clarence!   

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #973 on: January 21, 2015, 02:34:27 PM »
Clarence,

Could you tell us if the high amperage current in your captor loop is an AC current? I know it can't be used directly but that isn't what I have in mind.

Thanks

Offline Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #974 on: January 21, 2015, 05:08:57 PM »
Clarence,

Could you tell us if the high amperage current in your captor loop is an AC current? I know it can't be used directly but that isn't what I have in mind.

Thanks

Clarence:

Hello Cadman,

I use a Fluke 323 true rms meter and yes the current in the loop system is AC!
To answer your question I just restarted my system with the 250 watt bulb plugged in
and the current on the loop was 1.4 amps AC.
the voltage on the powered circuit TO THE 250 watt BULB was 84.2 volts at 1.58 amps
(with full voltage  the amperage would be around 2.2 amps +-) showing on my Kill -a- Watt meter
the bulb was plugged into. at idle with NO load the LOOP AC VOLTAGE reads normally 1.4 AC amps
anyway - so the bulb load on its powered circuit DID NOT INCREASE the LOOP AC amperage!

Glad to help.

Clarence