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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1583362 times)

Offline a.king21

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #915 on: December 20, 2014, 11:51:03 AM »
Cheappower2012: Thanks for your input, I will check my files to see If there's more detail on the green trafo.
I would like to point out however that Tariel uses very high frequency in his devices.
The only way I think he could have faked it is if he used Tesla's transmission of energy patents and applied them to a scaled down version.
Tesla also recommended high frequencies.
Meanwhile Naudin claims a successful replication of Thane Heins here: http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE03en.htm
 
I must admit this device looks a bit like one of Figuera's coil systems.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #916 on: December 20, 2014, 12:14:07 PM »
@all, some wires must be there to confuse as on the left side of green trafo all 3 coils are strapped with red wires and strapped again with white wire.

Regards
Keith

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #917 on: December 20, 2014, 01:08:39 PM »
There are tiny wires added by Tariel on the green transformer they perform an important of the devices operation,In the other device's Tariel has made
the feed back to self run is done thru one active device this also powers the load, in this one 2 are employed,this may have been done to power the 2kw load
with only one by its self due to the power level needed to light the heater,and use the other for feedback looping ,it maybe because of conditions you specified.
Heres a picture, keep in mine this is a speculation or guess,however this is the first step to figure out how this device works or if its fake.
Pay attention to where one wire appears to connect to the part of the transformer where the blue wire connects,thats the transformer winding,its 78 ohms,
If its fake its a very strange fake.

Its certainly very strange even if its not a fake. Its bold of you to suggest that these thin black wires are there to perform an important function, when we don't even have a shot to show if they go anywhere, other than just stuck onto the casing to act as decoys. The whole think looks more like a joke to me!

Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #918 on: December 20, 2014, 06:40:21 PM »
If we fiddle around a bit with Frolov's Avramenko plug illustration, then what do we have? A source of potential changes (a HV coil) with two Avramenko plugs, one on each side, one acting as antenna for the other? Hmmm ...

So this results in having four diodes. Four diodes makes one diode bridge. A diode bridge generates pulsed DC out twice the frequency of the AC in. The modulation frequency of a parametrically excited oscillation should be twice its natural frequency. Hmmm ...

Just considering ...

Offline cheappower2012

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #919 on: December 21, 2014, 12:11:51 PM »
To Hoppy
If I got into how exactly I believe Tariels device works
 it would be too much,far too crazy.I have a crude model of the operation of the device on how the overunity effect
is created,which I'm refining,it does work,it explains other devices Tariel has made,its going
to be used as a guide in replicating a simple version.Keep in mind its not a free energy device,
but an energy converter,a solar panel is an energy converter,it converts light energy into
electrical energy,the difference in this device is
the energy source is unknown, the energy density is much greater,how the conversion to electrical
energy is done is very different.
I have built a hardware model of 2 of the transformer sections,its a depiction of the operation of  this device,
 the electrical operation only,it works,its easy to simulate,not so easy to figure out,this sets
some conditions the device needs to operate,I will try to post a more advance model sometime in the near future simulating
all sections with details why and how.
You have to keep in mind there are two things here ,one is the electrical construction of the device,second the
process creating the overunity effect.You are correct a top view of the transformer is needed,however one may not exist so I have to guess where
the wires connect based on the simulation and other information I have.The present goal is to
 gather enough information to attempt a replication of a
simple version of the device, there is no construction information about Tariels device to replicate anything,the construction
information here ,comes from members trying to replicate other peoples devices that claim they figured out Tariels secret,totally crazy and silly.The members here attempting to replicate these fake devices are not silly or crazy,its the people that made the claim that they were real that are.

Tariel does not want any one to figure this out,hes aware
that people will simply steal it and claim they invented it,under the delusion they will make
a billion dollars.There are a few hard line skeptics in here that have no moral compass and
would steal the information to profit from instantly if they could.
 Its a very low tech device,
you simply can't sell it,patent it or make money from it,Tariel is fully aware of this.
I know your highly skeptical and you should be given the vast number of phony devices
that keep coming up.At one time I believed Tariel was simply a conman pushing a fake device
I still believe hes a conman of sorts,but I believe hes devices could be real
and its very important to investigate hes devices.

Offline forest

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #920 on: December 21, 2014, 12:35:42 PM »
there is nothing magical about this methods
explained many times by Tesla
by Tom Bearden
by Tito here on forums


you take a capacitor charge and discharge that's all
look at Bearden degenerative semiconductor circuit picture, replace it with low esr electrolytic capacitor and that's your device
however the engeneering job, experience in building , adjusting, fixing, controlling output voltage, current, protecting from overload , from overcurrent ,from overvoltage,from broken parts (it can explode capacitors for example) is precious ! I really don't understand Georgia people. Give Tariel comfortable life and future for his family and him teach you and will be fine. You have so incredible talented person there and what you did !? that's the greedy world

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #921 on: December 21, 2014, 03:31:19 PM »
To Hoppy
If I got into how exactly I believe Tariels device works
 it would be too much,far too crazy.I have a crude model of the operation of the device on how the overunity effect
is created,which I'm refining,it does work,it explains other devices Tariel has made,its going
to be used as a guide in replicating a simple version.Keep in mind its not a free energy device,
but an energy converter,a solar panel is an energy converter,it converts light energy into
electrical energy,the difference in this device is
the energy source is unknown, the energy density is much greater,how the conversion to electrical
energy is done is very different.


Cheappower, thanks for your added comments.

I will hazard a wild guess based on what a.king21 told us about TK's device operating at very a high frequency and high voltage, that it may be possible that he discovered a way to illuminate the lamps using a plasma effect created by high voltage and high frequency, making the lamps look bright at a relatively low energy level derived from batteries and an inverter. This being much the same as compact flouro lamps give high light output at low power consumption. I suggest this is only applicable to the box devices because I firmly believe that the Aqua2 device was faked because TK had to build with conditions set by a.king21 and could not have powered a 2KW fire with the method I'm guessing he used for his box devices. This would render the box devices as virtually useless for commercial production. Anyway, whatever method he used, probably did not rely on energy derived directly from the grid, for the valid reasoning you gave in an earlier post, so a battery operated device would be more likely, albeit offer no real interest commercially. More information on the type of lamps used would be of help here. I have found that halogen lamps can be driven effectively at HV / HF.

What I think we can be reasonably sure of, is that as you suggest, an energy conversion applies here and that the source energy level is considerable and very likely not free.

Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #922 on: December 21, 2014, 04:50:16 PM »
If we want to measure the amperes of pulsed DC (e.g. output of a diode bridge) then should the clamp meter be set to AC or to DC? Hmmm ...

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #923 on: December 21, 2014, 08:40:20 PM »
Hello everyone.

Concerning this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qsnEchKlc8&index=13&list=PL86OtVC_1KJHeRn0zvSfnNrtOOh02zOYD

look closely at the connections on the output of the PWM and what is  passing in the ampmeter ...  ::)

Sorry for the translation !

best regards.

Offline a.king21

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #924 on: December 21, 2014, 08:57:25 PM »
Hoppy:  I once teased Tariel that his device used high voltage and high frequency. His reply was that he agreed with me regarding the high frequency but NOT the high voltage.
Upon investigating his devices I think he was telling the truth. I am becoming more and more convinced that any sparks was and is eye candy designed to throw us off. If he had used high voltage in the aquarium2 my team would have surely sensed it in the earth braid, which was uninsulated. High voltage  also may have interfered with their mobile phones. There was no interference at all.
When the earth lead was disconnected there were no sparks either. The highest voltage the device goes to is in over voltage protection and that is probably in the 1 kv range.  In my experiments with spike back emf I noticed that the higher the frequency, the lower the voltage.
In the 2004 video, the spark gap could have been produced with something like European mains voltages ie no higher than say 350 volts at peak.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #925 on: December 21, 2014, 09:01:42 PM »
I asked a Georgian friend about the type of lamps in use in Georgia.  The were at that time mostly old Soviet incandescent lamps rated at 1 kw.  I was surprised at that, but I was assured that they are quite common in that part of the world.
The highest  in the UK were 150 watt lamps.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #926 on: December 22, 2014, 12:06:33 AM »
To a.king21
Good going on the light bulbs,this sets the power generated by the 2004 and green box devices.
I believe you on the bulbs,they must have a lot of fires caused by this of type bulb,they must get very hot.
Heres a question on the aquarium 2,video,in most Kapanadze video's,it shows the start up of the device.
In the aquarium 2, the video is started after it turns on,there appears to be 2 push button type of switches
and another switch  possibly a turn on/off switch.What sequence is the starting.I believe he uses
two of the 12vac windings on the transformer to start.One way would be the the son/off switch is turned to on,and the push buttons
 are pushed at the same time,until it starts.Also is there any HR pictures with a side view of the transformer
this would show if he glued the small wires or drilled a small hole or slipped them under the frame of the top.

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #927 on: December 22, 2014, 09:38:00 AM »
I asked a Georgian friend about the type of lamps in use in Georgia.  The were at that time mostly old Soviet incandescent lamps rated at 1 kw.  I was surprised at that, but I was assured that they are quite common in that part of the world.
The highest  in the UK were 150 watt lamps.

Thanks for this info which I think rules out my wild guess that the lamps a bit special.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #928 on: December 22, 2014, 01:19:16 PM »
To a.king21
Good going on the light bulbs,this sets the power generated by the 2004 and green box devices.
I believe you on the bulbs,they must have a lot of fires caused by this of type bulb,they must get very hot.
Heres a question on the aquarium 2,video,in most Kapanadze video's,it shows the start up of the device.
In the aquarium 2, the video is started after it turns on,there appears to be 2 push button type of switches
and another switch  possibly a turn on/off switch.What sequence is the starting.I believe he uses
two of the 12vac windings on the transformer to start.One way would be the the son/off switch is turned to on,and the push buttons
 are pushed at the same time,until it starts.Also is there any HR pictures with a side view of the transformer
this would show if he glued the small wires or drilled a small hole or slipped them under the frame of the top.


The device was started with a 9 volt pp3 type battery. He simply touched it onto the terminals and then the device started.
I've had a look at those  black "wires" and conclude that they are the result of poor manufacturing, and could well be shadows.
I'll see if I've a side view.
My gut is that TK uses  a BITT type of device at high frequency to deliver the output. Even if he was wiring in (cheating) I cannot account for the lack of heat or lack of ventilation holes to deliver 2 kw for 4 and a half hours without a break.
We have to be scientific here and figure out the size of trafo you need.
My understanding is that the size of trafo is dependant on the frequency. ie 50 hz equals European standards, but you can power a resistive load at any frequency provided you have the watts.  A high frequency would therefore lower the size of the trafo you need.
This "proves" what Tariel said to me to be correct ie that his device uses high frequency and not high voltage.
When the team looked at his device at the end there was no heating on the aquarium 2 box whatsoever.
 It was really spooky, if you think about it.

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #929 on: December 22, 2014, 01:41:38 PM »

My understanding is that the size of trafo is dependant on the frequency. ie 50 hz equals European standards, but you can power a resistive load at any frequency provided you have the watts.  A high frequency would therefore lower the size of the trafo you need.
This "proves" what Tariel said to me to be correct ie that his device uses high frequency and not high voltage.
When the team looked at his device at the end there was no heating on the aquarium 2 box whatsoever.
 It was really spooky, if you think about it.

The green coloured 3-phase trafo shown has an iron core, so would not work efficiently at very high frequencies as its designed for grid frequency working. High frequency transformers of the type used in switched-mode power supplies have ferrite cores. The size is not the governing factor, its the core material. Having said that, TK may have discovered or been told about a way of using this 3-phase transformer in an unconventional way.