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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1580651 times)

Offline zcsaba77

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #765 on: July 04, 2014, 06:21:18 AM »
Thanks to NelsonRochaa on overunity thread for  “Barbosa”
 
 
Barbosa power generator video clip(s) on Youtube below..Duplicators !!!
 
Acca…
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAtRv6PneNs

Hi Acca

This device is truthfully?

regards zcsaba77

Offline penno64

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #766 on: July 04, 2014, 12:57:09 PM »
What would be most interesting to know is -

what does nelson's electricity meter (power provider meter) do/show when he connects the motor and soldering
iron to his device ?

Penno

Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #767 on: July 04, 2014, 04:08:48 PM »
Hi Penny  is pertinent to your inquiry. My counter is digital it works with pulses. When i have a chance i try to verify analog but I could see that the numbers of pulses in the counter does not increase when the circuit is connected to load.

In my opinion the circuit is not returning energy to the electrical power network but to consume reactive power that the engine generates during operation called reactive power displacement.
This phenomenon is caused by the harmonics created by the circuit and.
Any device that bind to the circuit always will have a power factor of 1.
  You can do a test with an inductive or capacitive and resistive load.
The three have different values ​​of power factor. 1 is the most efficient and usuis pertinent to your inquiry. My counter is digital it works with pulses. When you have a chance try to verify analog but I could see that the numbers of pulses in the counter does not increase when the circuit is connected to load.

In my opinion the circuit is not returning the electrical power network but to consume reactive power that the engine generates during operation called reactive power displacement.
This phenomenon is caused by the harmonics created by the circuit.
Any device that bind to the circuit always will have a power factor of 1.
  You can do a test with an inductive or capacitive and resistive load.
The three have different values ​​of power factor. 1 is the most efficient and usually resistive load is usually 0.98.
But inductive loads in the case is different. Forehead and takes your findings.
Besides being the power factor of the circuit always mean that one is not using reactive power from power network.
thanks and good tests.

Offline wayne49s

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #768 on: July 04, 2014, 11:10:23 PM »
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4"


There's no over unity here. The phase line has 2.4A, which is returning to grid source through the ground back to the network ground, bypassing the neutral line. In order for over unity, the phase current after the secondary loop should be greater than the phase current before if the secondary loop is contributing to the current flow to the load. I don't see the current loop doing anything.

Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #769 on: July 05, 2014, 12:57:57 AM »
Hello wayne rightly so, in the video you describe
the phase of the electric network is being conducted by grounding doubt that anyone has doubts. That's not the idea.
The neutral is in use as the grounding and your protection in my circuit.
you can verify that consumption increases  the loads used by varying their behavior depending on the type of cargo ex (inductive, capacitive or resistive). Thus the effect is different from that which you speak.
thanks

Offline havuhung

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #770 on: July 05, 2014, 11:34:53 AM »
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4"


There's no over unity here. The phase line has 2.4A, which is returning to grid source through the ground back to the network ground, bypassing the neutral line. In order for over unity, the phase current after the secondary loop should be greater than the phase current before if the secondary loop is contributing to the current flow to the load. I don't see the current loop doing anything.
Hi wayne49s,
The loop device is only to fool the observer! . . This device has no power to effect capture from the ground, in fact it is a device used to deceive kWh meters, use ground bar to replace the neutral wire of the power supply area. . . You can be electric shock by touching electrical appliances and device connected to the safety ground with metal casing!!!    :(

Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #771 on: July 05, 2014, 02:15:49 PM »
Man you are so smart ! I don't have copper ground bar in my home i live 9º floor !  And sure a will show the circuit working and i will measure in other socket ground and neutral to you see the danger that you talk ...lol
Or if you like a can put my hand in the ground.
Not talk about the things that you can understand .If you want to help give suggestions to improve the tests not only talking.
bye   

Offline Farmhand

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #772 on: July 06, 2014, 01:16:30 AM »
Nelson, can you post a schematic drawing of the arrangement you have ? I looked but I couldn't find one posted by you.
If I missed it I apologize.  :-[

We need a drawing of the circuit to be able to follow what you're actually doing.

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Offline wayne49s

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #773 on: July 06, 2014, 12:57:11 PM »
Hi Nelson,
I didn't comment on your post because, like Farmhand, I am not totally clear on your circuit details without a schematic.  I notice in your earlier video. that you have something like a capacitor that is connected even with the AC test that you did. Also in the video, it looks like you are using the power cable to form the current loop. You don't seem to have a separate ground beyond the neutral which the power company presumably connects to ground. [size=78%]So a schematic would be very useful for readers of your posts.[/size]


In your conclusion, you are claiming ou and somehow the circuit converts reactive power to real power? That itself would be useful from an ou point of view as it is readily possible to generate much more apparent power VAR then watts. 


Any clarification would be appreciated.


/Wayne

Offline viejo loco

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #774 on: July 06, 2014, 05:16:04 PM »
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Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #775 on: July 06, 2014, 07:19:24 PM »
Hello Wayne.
It is important to differentiate the active power (watts) the apparent power (volt per amp), for what we pay is the active power Watts.
In some countries the energy returned to the network (reactive power VAR) is also charged.
Always said that the vessels of generic measure such as ammeters and multimeters only measure apparent powers except in true rms measuring devices.
Meters (such killwatts) measure the active and apparent power because are true rms.

It is known that the reactive power generated in the operation of a motor or transformer which is usually returned to the network is not able to produce active power according to current science explains and generating large amounts of heating in inductive loads and in all circuit.
  When the power factor is corrected and that the optimal value (1 is best) all the reactive load does not return the network being used less active power to make the job because the apparent power reactive power is reused at the source.

Now think with me:
If the reactive power causes heating of the electric circuit in the unit that generates and causes distortion of the sine wave AC making companies apply charges based on the power factor forcing the user to maintain maximum values ​​close to 0.78 (depending on supplier) what do you think if all inductive and capacitive devices have an ideal behavior which is always 1? This will be great ok ? 

If the reactive loads do not produce active power (Watts) because it is so unwanted by the companies?
Because heat conductors requiring the use of larger conductors? The harmonics created that distort the quality of the grid ?
Heat on drivers is synonymous with? Joule effect. :)
But they say it can not be harnessed and converted to active energy! For they say, and many other dubious explanations.

Never mention that my circuit is overunity. Never
And so I can do other types of tests, will share results. Currently has several contacts in order to sell the device (These people are crazy lol) and for that reason I can not dissect the circuit in detail.
I think later and in order to finance my tests I can put up for auction on EBAY the prototypes.

Always said that the original patent had important data, including the bibliographic references made ​​sources used in the preparation of patent barbosa.
I can not say much more about this project.
And say something clearly:
I've seen many circuit diagrams to run the internet and only serve to confuse even more people.
Do not copy! Recreate and abstracts them from the real world and  of laws imposed.
Know very well what has happened to the most notable inventors who wanted to change the system. Were abandoned by the scientific community, were murdered, were persecuted and most other things that are common domain.

Never assert publicly that the system works for free energy ! and I'll never tell.
How  say Scolari:
And I'm dumb?
Its a joke made by Scolari when train Portugal football team to a reporter. :)
Man good luck in your experiments

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #776 on: July 06, 2014, 08:15:43 PM »
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Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #777 on: July 06, 2014, 10:10:41 PM »
Wayne see this video and see the question about powerfactor. bye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hR0Ak2vsyg


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #779 on: July 07, 2014, 09:40:01 PM »
muchas gracias nelsonrochaa  pero pon esquemas que nos tienes en un estado de crisis nerviosa :o
esquemas muito obrigado nelsonrochaa mas você nos colocar em um estado de colapso nervoso  :o
many thanks nelsonrochaa schemes but you have put us in a state of nervous breakdown :o