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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1501536 times)

Online ramset

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #570 on: March 18, 2014, 01:36:08 PM »
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I infer no "undertone" whatsover,I just read the thread .
And as a result am quite aware of Farmhands opinions on this as well as the purpose of his experiment.
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #571 on: March 18, 2014, 01:41:20 PM »
No offence, safety first.  ;D

This time I tripped the house safety switch as well as my portable one, If I didn't warn the other humans of the possibility I would be in trouble for interrupting their TV programming session. hehehe And it did it while not even driving the transformer, I had the active line disconnected.

I guess I need to look at a variac schematic to make an accurate drawing and analyse it, there was 1.7 volts potential between the house neutral and my ground stake it's enough to force over 30 Ma of current out of the neutral line into the ground by the looks of it, I think the house grounds are sus, they need checking by an electrician, I think my ground stake is much better.  :)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #572 on: March 18, 2014, 02:38:49 PM »
OK, now it's obvious why the safety switches tripped. See drawing below. If the variac was not there it might not have tripped the safety switch. If there is any current mismatch over 30 mA between the active and neutral lines the safety switch trips to save lives. This disallows any electrical connection to the grid and so an isolation transformer would need to be used, so that takes me back to my original experiment using an isolation transformer and my ground stake, except this time the ground wire will have an electrical connection to the high current loop.

The drawing below will not work with safety switches for obvious reasons.

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P.S. With 100 Volts applied to the transformer about 30 Watts is consumed and the single loop red cable has 188 amperes flowing in it. The ground wire is not connected to the loop in the photo.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #573 on: March 18, 2014, 03:47:56 PM »
Hi Farmhand
thanks for the test results
I did not use the neutral on the output.....  only a step down transformer  220 v  to 24 v    and the 24 v   winding removed with 2 turns
the loop end connections I can touch  with a clampmeter reading of 190 amps   .  this one I discovered while I accidentally touched the ends of the loop
the  60 w lamp is dim  maybe due to the winding   must have used the 220 v winding as output.....
the toroid used by Igor Moroz i think is more suitable to insert in the loop
the cable in the loop heats up very fast to 85 degrees Celsius  with 220 v ac  input
Beside earth connection   we can use a flyback hv  to inject on the loop ends   and the toroid within the loop can pick up the induction for the load.....
I think the Neutral you used and the Induction in the loop are the ones to be used for loading and will not trip the upstream fuse
Another way to increase induction in the loop is wrap the earth wire or copper tube and reduce heat at the same time 8)
 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #574 on: March 18, 2014, 04:14:31 PM »
I'm not finished yet, looking at the drawing it has a + and a - so I think I'll rectify the output of a transformer (so it's isolated from the grid) and feed the "device transformer" with lumpy DC, that will give me a setup more like the Barbosa and Leal drawing. Meaning there will be a positive and a negative at the input to the transformer with the loop on it, and I will be able to try a load between the grounded loop and the negative side of the transformer input, as it is shown in their schematic. I'll see what happens with that.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #575 on: March 18, 2014, 05:30:46 PM »
Check this.....




http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg








Cheers....
Ariovaldo


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #576 on: March 18, 2014, 06:03:52 PM »
@ariovaldo Thank you for the video. Now you succeed replicating Barbosa device, please can you share a schematic or a simple how-to for the noobs like me ? For example, I don't understand what is the white ring, so I don't know how to build it.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #577 on: March 18, 2014, 06:22:30 PM »
Thanks ariovaldo. :)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #578 on: March 18, 2014, 06:22:44 PM »
Check this.....




http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg
thanks for sharing
there was an increase of current with the load  based on what youve seen in the Barbosa leal construction









 8) Cheers....
Ariovaldo

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #579 on: March 18, 2014, 06:25:58 PM »
Hi ariovaldo

Very Good Video.



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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #580 on: March 18, 2014, 08:00:18 PM »
Check this.....




http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg



Cheers....
Ariovaldo

Hi Ariovaldo,

I understand that one turn out of the four goes through the primary coil's core but I ask how the 4 turn secondary is connected: is it in series with the primary or the 4 turns are shorted? 

You say in the video that "one side of the phase goes to ...  the other side of the secondary"  and I ask: does "the phase" mean the Live wire from the 110V mains? 
I understand also that the industrial ground wire is looped through i.e. coupled to one of the turns of the secondary coil and if your word "phase"  means the Live wire from the mains, then the 100W lamp is connected between the industrial ground and the mains Live wire, right? 

Thanks,  Gyula

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #581 on: March 18, 2014, 08:48:41 PM »
Hi Ariovaldo,

I understand that one turn out of the four goes through the primary coil's core but I ask how the 4 turn secondary is connected: is it in series with the primary or the 4 turns are shorted? 

You say in the video that "one side of the phase goes to ...  the other side of the secondary"  and I ask: does "the phase" mean the Live wire from the 110V mains? 
I understand also that the industrial ground wire is looped through i.e. coupled to one of the turns of the secondary coil and if your word "phase"  means the Live wire from the mains, then the 100W lamp is connected between the industrial ground and the mains Live wire, right? 

Thanks,  Gyula


Hey Gyula!
Sorry about my drawings (parece um cú), but the captor connections are very simple. The primary has between  600 to 1000 turns, it depend the core diameter, and a secondary has 4 turns. The phase feed one side of the primary and is connected to the secondary before the secondary pass through the primary. The phase output is connect in the secondary after it pass through the primary.... ( in the other side of the primary) They use the N from the grid just to feed the primary coil. In another words: The load is connected using the grid and the grounding, made of a very thicker cable ( 35 to 50 mm) plus a lot of rods.


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Ariovaldo

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #582 on: March 18, 2014, 09:23:21 PM »
Caro Ariovaldo,

Obrigado pelos esclarecimentos, tudo é compreendido agora.

Saudações,
Gyula

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #583 on: March 18, 2014, 09:28:50 PM »

Hey Gyula!
Sorry about my drawings (parece um cú), but the captor connections is very simple. The primary has between  600 to 1000 turns, it depend the core diameter, and a secondary has 4 turns. The phase feed one side of the primary and is connected to the secondary before the secondary pass through the primary. The phase output is connect in the secondary after it pass through the primary.... ( in the other side of the primary) They use the N from the grid just to feed the primary coil. In another words: The load is connected using the grid and the grounding, made of a very thicker cable ( 35 to 50 mm) plus a lot of rods.


Cheers


Ariovaldo
You can put lamp betwen phase and ground and lamp lights, but here no free energy.
And if you run you divice from inverter, your lamp not lights.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #584 on: March 18, 2014, 10:10:59 PM »
To everybody that is following this post.
Think about that:
The pictures that we can find in the internet show us that there are two meters, one circuit break and 2 voltage surge protection in the door. I found out the meters are connect like that:
1)      Volts meter has 2 wires and is connected strait from the grid.
2)      Amperes meter has 4 wires: 2 wires from the grid to feed it and 2 wires from the ct. The ct IS LOCATED IN THE SECONDARY….
Now the big question: Why somebody do that if is not just to trick  and to fool the people? I read some people calculating the output, multiplying the volts from the primary by the amps from the secondary….Results: A BIG OUT OUTPUT….
Do you know guys, I’m not happy about that, but it is the true.[/font]
 
Cheers
 
Ariovaldo