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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1377932 times)

Offline truongcongduc4

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #195 on: November 09, 2013, 02:27:22 AM »
Hello all,
I ask "toto alas" and he said that the primary coil is:

"for the input  I used the original primary of the 50 watts 220  tp  24 v ac transformer"

This is his video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cibqtywpLSI

I think this device is very easy to replicate. I will try it.

Thanks for all.

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Offline DaS Energy

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #196 on: November 09, 2013, 04:40:08 AM »
China is well in front. 100,000 units per year. Ground Heat. 10KW CO2 turbine.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #197 on: November 09, 2013, 12:37:22 PM »
China is well in front. 100,000 units per year. Ground Heat. 10KW CO2 turbine.
Link ?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #197 on: November 09, 2013, 12:37:22 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #199 on: November 10, 2013, 12:01:56 PM »
Hi , Guys,
 
I’ ve been in personal contact with the inventors, and on behalf of the lawsuit they are suffering right now, they can no longer sell the equipment, and those sold were collected.
 
Unfortunately they brought the equipment to validate on the university of “UNICAMP”, which means that they probaly will definitely, "bury" the work once again.
It seems that a new patent comes out in December and I was told by Nilson,  that after this date I could talk to them again and  get a diagram of the machine. Who nows ??? ?
 
I am willing to cooperate here in São Paulo Brazil.
 
But if possible, I would like a summary of the  group’s progress , any replication, etc
 
If you already have any schematics extracted from the patentes ?
 
If you have any specific questions ?  I am gona call back the inventors in December, if any questions can be answered ... I can try to get some more  information...
 
Grateful....
Better send me direct email , i cant visit regulary this forun.

enric@aliancaluz.org

Hi,

Please, ask them, with how much money were satisfied with so that all together we obtain that money to tell us the secret.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #199 on: November 10, 2013, 12:01:56 PM »
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Offline a.king21

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #200 on: November 10, 2013, 09:40:14 PM »
We've seen this time after time, where inventors do not give full disclosure in a patent and yet expect patent protection.
You can not have patent protection if you do not disclose everything.
Once you disclose everything, those skilled in the art can replicate and verify the device.
Patent law ALLOWS  anyone to make a working copy of a device.
What you are not allowed to do is make millions and not pay the inventors a royalty.
Payments to inventors are between 6 and 10 percent.
This protects both the inventors and the manufacturers.
When will inventors ever learn?

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So my first post in the forum after read much of your tests
« Reply #201 on: November 27, 2013, 08:29:59 AM »
I think the earth ground connect to the loop, like u call the connection 5, to the wire 4, is done like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGSI_Zc2iP8&list=LLbcaIfmxRZhnnYVqG81kCZg This guy used an induction transformer, maybe this is the right way. where one wire go to earth and the other used as neutral in pair with the wire 4 in closed loop and polarized. Another observation is that, in their patent, they talk that the loop wire envolves the main coil. This can be done of many ways. Imagine a simple coil compressed without core, now imagine the thicker wire, passing through this main coil, now that all is done u can put a core inside the first core, like ferrite or iron. I wanna test this so much but dont have any cores or awg wires in hands to do that :/ If someone can test this and show the results i will be a happy guy. I am a computer technician with some notion in eletronic from Brazil, not one expert but... This is how i will do the test, when i have the components in hands, maybe this take a while. Good luck for all. ;D By the way, that induction transformer can be seen in youtube looking for "strange russian transformer", the guy show exactly how one can be done, and i imagine that the electrons from ground are attracted by the polarized cable by this one, and one time there is electrons in the wire, is used like the neutral of the load circuit, after done the electrons inductance in the thicker coil. I dont have praticed my english for a long period but i think that u can understand me, if not msg me.

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So my first post in the forum after read much of your tests
« Reply #201 on: November 27, 2013, 08:29:59 AM »
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Offline Shokac

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Re: So my first post in the forum after read much of your tests
« Reply #202 on: November 28, 2013, 11:26:12 AM »
I think the earth ground connect to the loop, like u call the connection 5, to the wire 4, is done like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGSI_Zc2iP8&list=LLbcaIfmxRZhnnYVqG81kCZg This guy used an induction transformer, maybe this is the right way. where one wire go to earth and the other used as neutral in pair with the wire 4 in closed loop and polarized. Another observation is that, in their patent, they talk that the loop wire envolves the main coil. This can be done of many ways. Imagine a simple coil compressed without core, now imagine the thicker wire, passing through this main coil, now that all is done u can put a core inside the first core, like ferrite or iron. I wanna test this so much but dont have any cores or awg wires in hands to do that :/ If someone can test this and show the results i will be a happy guy. I am a computer technician with some notion in eletronic from Brazil, not one expert but... This is how i will do the test, when i have the components in hands, maybe this take a while. Good luck for all. ;D By the way, that induction transformer can be seen in youtube looking for "strange russian transformer", the guy show exactly how one can be done, and i imagine that the electrons from ground are attracted by the polarized cable by this one, and one time there is electrons in the wire, is used like the neutral of the load circuit, after done the electrons inductance in the thicker coil. I dont have praticed my english for a long period but i think that u can understand me, if not msg me.

This is not the same!
This guy use current transformer for light bulb

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #203 on: November 28, 2013, 01:14:17 PM »
i know its not the same, this is just the first video that i remembered to show the current transformer... ;D

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #203 on: November 28, 2013, 01:14:17 PM »
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a image say more than 1000 words...
« Reply #204 on: November 28, 2013, 01:31:39 PM »
 :)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #205 on: November 28, 2013, 03:39:38 PM »
OK  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #205 on: November 28, 2013, 03:39:38 PM »
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Offline Neofln

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To Forest this, to the others sorry by this.
« Reply #206 on: November 29, 2013, 05:11:03 AM »
 ;)
Forest... So you wanna make fun with me? No point of view is wrong until

it is refuted( you never tried to refute mine ). To reach results that

others have failed to get you must think different and  follow another

path. The greatest sign of wisdom is humility. Who is not wise is a

foolish, not a hero, and now you can laugh a lot. ;D The circuit that i

proposed, "IF" it works, dont close the cicle of energy meter, this will

reduce drasticaly your light invoice but probably not be over unit, maybe

this is what Barbosa and Leal got, a method to cheat the meter. I dont

know your place, dont know what type of meter the light company of your

place uses, but here in much places the companys still using the

eletromechanical meter. Have you know how a meter like this works? A

eletrical ac motor is connected in serie with the out of meter, when you

consume energy, the motor spins, Increasing the number on the meter, if

you dont close the circuit using phase and neutral, the meter can't

measure properly your consume because an ac motor needs phase and neutral

to work. This is the reason the phase from current transformer goes to

ground in the proposed circuit, just to have a new neutral to use with

load. This circuit was taken from interpreting the patent of Barbosa and

Leal in original, text and language. Remeber that u can ever translate a

text and replicate things but without information about how and where the

thing was made, and by who, you will never understand the thing that you

have replicated.

They can be genius or cheaters, by the way the second is more probably. In

their patent they don't talk about tests and measurements of over unity,

in their videos they show us, only that, with a small current of the light

company, they can measure much more in a cable, and get powered 6000w of

incandescent bulbs. So... The clip current meter that was used in the

vídeos will really get bigger current in the secondary of a step down transformer with only

two turns of thicker wire, if u get it closed in itself doing a loop, and

if u get it closed, the tension goes to zero, so u can polarize like any

other wire, without getting the two diferent tensions destroying each

other. Now that u have big current polarized the current will flow trough

the closed circuit and the current transformer will work, u already have a

good phase to use in load, comming from energy company, so put that new

phase generated by current transformer in the ground, and use the new

neutral in pair with the energy company phase to the load.

Talking about heater version, its just a simple transformer with shorted

secondary, more the voltage in the thick wire more the heat in the core

and in the wire, so two more laps of thick wire. This one really can be

used to generate steam and move a turbine like in nuclear usines, but i

don't think that have any economic advantages.

Maybe that two guys don't know more than anyone and really don't know what

they are doing. I wanna test this to know if this is a cheat, or if is

over unity.

Next time u have something to test, first try to know the simplest way,

the simple way is 99% of times the right direction.

If you wanna talk about my bad english remeber first, that i can be

understood in 3 languages and understand other people in 4.
I had tried my first eletromechanical moto-continuous 24 years ago when i

had 8yo. This is my obsession and i have thinked many ways and years to do

something like this work.
I'm not an authority, but for sure I'm a newby only in the forum, and not

a clown. I come here to try help, and to get help, to learn, and share my

insignificant knowledge about the things, so at least I expect some

respect. If u found a error, show me, like I showed the foundations of my

thinking.

And if such conduct is permitted in this forum like you done, here is my

replica to your joke.
Who is the joke now? Regards from the monkey, foolish.
Remember that You is not MY hero, and to don't mess with me.
 ;)

Offline DaS Energy

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #207 on: November 29, 2013, 06:43:09 AM »
Hello Neofln.

Don't be put off by that so few say, sometimes only one.  Usually a quick check confirms they have contributed nothing and pretend they are a somebody by writing shit as to why yours not work.  This is because they lacked the brains to suck and mother had to squeeze the tit or they'd die.  Now they so desperately want to be a somebody they pretend they have the intellect to knock others work. They want you to respond which is why they word things as they do. Then if you do their response discusses nothing said and comes out a complete new load of shit. They do this till your sick of replying.  On the plus side many many who agree with you not respond but take on board what you say.

Regards

Peter

Offline ARMCORTEX

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #208 on: November 29, 2013, 04:13:45 PM »
Neo plz.... That paint drawing is just that, a botched paint drawing.

dont write such long text its bad manners for forums, if you have an idea make it and see, no arguing necessary over a paint drawing.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #209 on: December 04, 2013, 12:40:16 PM »
Neofln,

Guy, please contact me. We, at The Light Alliance, are trying to replicate that Barbosa Patent, and we would like to talk to you.
Please , include my skype or email me !
"enrictoledo" enric@aliancaluz.org

Grato!!!!


 

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