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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1394114 times)

Offline Farmhand

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1860 on: April 28, 2015, 07:03:34 AM »
Farmhand:

That is a very unfortunate story.  Note that regular power lines could also short with trees and cause fires.

The real issue is that it was a design and/or implementation or verification or maintenance failure and a person or persons could be legally liable and subject to criminal prosecution.  Somebody signed off on a drawing and then it was implemented in the field.  Presumably this was a civil or electrical engineer.  They also had to visit the site and approve the construction and sign off on that also.  Then there is a maintenance log book somewhere.

I am just making assumptions and I am not going to look up the story.  But people were the true source of the problem.

MileHigh

Yes of course the same or similar thing can happen with regular transmission line, but just like I said about the SWER line the regular power line can also be "safe" just as safe as a SWER line.

I did say it can be safe, a rifle can be safe as well, it is as for most things inanimate, dependent on the design and operation/maintenance.

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It went to a Royal Commission and the claimants won against the power company along with the other entities the power company was partnered with, a huge monetary payout was made.

But money doesn't bring back the dead. For them it is over.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1861 on: April 28, 2015, 02:20:56 PM »
Safe.....

Where I live there is this thing ON TOP of the ground with 2 to 60 Ton things on wheels
flying past at speeds that would tare little Johny into pieces if he wasn;t careful
on his way to school...or  crossing it.

crossing the road is VERY dangerous probably an infinite order of magnitude more so than an SWER system in most countries.

as a matter of fact The Dangerous list is a very long list ,with the common screwdriver at the very top according to OSHA.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1862 on: April 28, 2015, 02:40:37 PM »
Pop quiz no Googling:  If there is a break in a long distance transmission line, how do you find it?

Dear MileHigh.

Johnny Cash had the answer !!   ;)  Walk the Line.

I spent nearly 2 decades with the supply industry. Commissioning and Maintenance dep't. I was lucky to have been with one of only two Boards that operated an interconnected ring HV distribution system. Actually a stroke of genius, because you only needed a few different gauges of over head line compared to radial systems where line tapering had to be employed !!

Our system was so sensitive it could detect and clear faults associated with trees touching the OH lines ( Sensitive Earth Fault ). It also had the capability of differentiating between an In Zone fault and Out of Zone fault.

When I left the industry some 24 years ago they were just implementing the use of Vacuum circuit breakers which required zero maintenance over the earlier Oil circuit breakers. These VCB's were employed on sub circuits making large outages a thing of the past.

Now a break in an underground cable is a far different story !!   ;)

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1862 on: April 28, 2015, 02:40:37 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1863 on: April 28, 2015, 05:45:57 PM »
Grum:

If we could only all walk the line.

I wasn't aware of the sensitive systems that can detect small line incidents like you mentioned.  Out here in the colonies we have transmission lines spanning such vast distances that they would only find your bones after 50 years if you got lost in the bush and were following the line to get back to civilization.  Your whole country is like a cross-town drive to us.   :D

So, you get the nasty buzzing sound also with Manuela nowhere to be found.

But I will leave a clue:  "Tesla Impulse Technology."

MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1864 on: April 28, 2015, 06:04:32 PM »
Remember EF?

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The way I see it, the earth return is adding energy to the load. It's coiled around the #4 AWG to modulate and attract energy from the ground.
 
 At the most this coiled earth return could be thought of as a current transformer but it would be wrong in this device because its working with a different form of current called the B-EMF. The B-EMF current behaves not at all like the current we know.

Think Elvis.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1865 on: April 28, 2015, 08:30:00 PM »
MH
EXACTLY
See these days you would never be able to bring a such a wonderful  product like that to market...
safety this and safety that.. heck most of the products I grew up
with would be out lawed today...[I even think their trying to outlaw Bazooka Bubble gum...

SOooo
did you field test it yet ?
does it come with a remote control [I'll press the button for yah... ;D...]
incase your Chicken..

I triple Dog dare yah


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1866 on: April 29, 2015, 12:04:24 AM »
You are making me think of a story, perhaps it was an urban legend.  Chicken torture machines in arcades.  The chicken comes out and dances for you.  Ether the chicken is on a hot plate or perhaps the chicken is being given mild electrical shocks.

Are we all just dancing chickens on the hot plate of life?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1867 on: April 29, 2015, 12:17:29 AM »
Speaking of chickens, let's go raid the other chicken coop.

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I connected a 100 Watt light bulb between the secondary loop wire, which is connected directly to the inverter hot wire, and the inverter neutral. The inverter output power went up from 20 Watts to about 117 Watts. I could not measure or see any difference at all whether I had the earth ground wire connected or not. It seems to do absolutely nothing, which when wired in the way it is shown in the patent doc it is not really surprising that it has no effect.
So when everything was connected exactly as Barbosa and Leal showed as one possible configuration in their patent diagram, it just doesn't seem to do anything out of the ordinary.

Some of you may remember I had a debate with Scorch where I told him that his Quanta Magnetics pulse motor would do nothing special.

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BUT I did set the G3 aside in favor of the much more impressive effect that he demonstrated in "G1 load test #2" video. In which G1 system was demonstrated as being 'self looped' to power an LED from the BEMF PLUS system voltage was RISING from 13vdc to 13.1, 13.2...

This was a VERY impressive demonstration and I bought a G1 SPECIFICALLY to REPLICATE that effect...

Only to discover MUCH later the lithium battery pack he mentioned in the video (and he said would be replaced with another capacitor) was NOT merely wired in parallel with the capacitor power supply. It was set up to operate as a portable regulated power supply.

Which of course, in itself is quite capable of causing system voltage to rise and it does appear that not only did I spend a lot of money to replicate an effect that was false and misleading; this endeavor has wasted ALL of our time and placed me in a VERY difficult position after I have already defended Mike on the OU forum and all those people there as well.
See: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator

And as soon as I discovered this fact (hidden regulated power supply) I realized that my trust in this company had been totally betrayed and broken.

And when I started asking the hard questions about these things; he decided to become 'offended' and is now concealing the video evidence from our view...

Then I subsequently discovered that an Itallian has had similar experiences with not being able to replicate the effect in the video and who also received negative responses in Mike's email and who also produced his own G1 video-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmzVd4d130c

And now here you are talking about similar experiences at which point we now have three witnesses and I do wonder how many more are there?

Don't hate me for saying this (except for Cangas Khan):  Don't count your chickens before they are hatched, and be suspicious about BroMikey's tales of electron spawning grounds in the ground.

I'm gettin' bugged driving up and down this same old strip
I gotta finda new place where the kids are hip

My buddies and me are getting real well known
Yeah, the bad guys know us and they leave us alone

Think about it...

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1868 on: April 29, 2015, 12:44:27 AM »
"I Get a Ground" by the Teslas!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F0Czej-Uik

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1868 on: April 29, 2015, 12:44:27 AM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1869 on: April 29, 2015, 01:57:57 AM »
When I was a young fella about 18 we  used to ride our dirt bikes along the rail line north to get to our dirt bike riding bush area about 5 k's on the line way faster than the 80 Klm's an hour the old diesel trains could do out of town. I had a YZ 465 81 model the rail gauge was/is only 3.5 foot. Biggest danger was the side winds pushing us towards one rail. It was good fun to catch up to passenger trains on the way home we would wait for them to pass then catch up to them and leave the line then pass the train on the service road and return to the track and speed away from the train, that way it made for some excitement for the people on the train. Plus we also got the red lights if we just sat behind the train, we could follow close behind and the cars would wait for us as well at the boom gates, even the police were powerless to do anything if the were there and seen us. The police even got dirt bikes to try to stop us but they got all four stroke TT600's and TT350's they have no chance of doing what a proper two stroke scrambler can do. Hilarious. They came to ruin our days but they just made them better and more exciting. hehehe

I then went on to spend my entire working life at the railways workshops. Never got injured so everything we did was safe. Safe enough in the right hands. All my injuries come from car accidents when I'm a passenger or parked. Hit by drunks and useless drivers, geeks.

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P.S. The rail line in Rockhampton my home town runs right through the middle of the street, always has, they even rebuilt/restored the old steam train, it just did an Anzac troop train re-enactment from way out west through rocky then south with the Steam Engine Old Betty and period carriages.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=picture+of+dennison+street+rail+line&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=4SFAVZ_3JsOhmQWEq4HoCA&ved=0CB0QsAQ&biw=1440&bih=763

New Train driving up the street. Depending on the track conditions the Electric Tilt trains can do over 200 klm's per hour.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1870 on: April 29, 2015, 03:36:22 AM »
Farmhand:

Cool story, just about the time when Mad Max was all the rage also.

Now to get more serious, about a page back I linked to and copied that report about the guy that did the single-wire-ground-return system and the grounding rod testing.

This guy:

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Performance of 4 rods yielded 114 volts to bulb
Performance of 3 rods dropped voltage to 108
Performance of 2 rods dropped voltage to 82
Performance of 1 rod dropped voltage to 47.

I want to highlight a very important point about that story.  The guy generated some good data, some real data.  He gave you a full description of what he did, annotated it with pictures, etc.

Almost everything that has been presented here in terms of experimental data during Clarence's four month residency, and since he has moved over to EF, pales by comparison.  Why can't Clarence generate any decent data?

And the back-story is all about the specifics of the individual components, and you know that drives me crazy.  Let me cite one example.  I am not an expert in transformers and ferrite cores when it comes to the nitty-gritty details about the choices for components.  However, I think I can state this with a fair amount of confidence.  All of the exotic ferrite core formulations are for performance at high and very high frequency (think switching power supplies).  For 60 Hz operation, you have basic laminated iron cores to prevent eddy currents, or you have some kind of non-conductive ferrite core compound to prevent eddy currents.  That's it.  I may not be perfect in my assumptions but I think I am on the right track.  Just use an ordinary core for 60 Hz operation.  That would be the same damn core for 50 Hz operation.  Between BroMiley and others you probably wrote a small-sized book on the size and selection of the core material for the infamous captor.  It's all bullshit.

Almost no discussions at all about how the captor itself may or may not work, and what it actually does.  Almost no discussions at all about how to do experimental tests and measurements on the captor itself, to figure out what makes it tick.  Just a ton of silly discussion on how to build the captor, and mass confusion about how to wire the captor when all that you need are four dots to solve that mystery.

Clarence should take inspiration and try to emulate the SWER testing guy.  Almost all of you should.  You guys are supposed to be talking about building and testing an allegedly over unity machine with the emphasis on the testing.

MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1870 on: April 29, 2015, 03:36:22 AM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1871 on: April 29, 2015, 03:50:33 AM »
So that's the prelude posting out of the way.

What should Clarence do?  If we were in the driver's seat and we were in project management, what should we have him do?

For me the answer is very obvious.  He is in North America, he has 120 VAC mains.  All that he needs to do is connect one 100-watt incandescent light bulb to the output and run a one-month test.  I have already mentioned this before.   He can record basic data while he runs the test.  His experience and skill level is low, so just have him record some simple stuff.  The battery voltage, the AC voltage across the light bulb, the date and time, etc.  Take pictures of the setup, and the setup in operation.  Take pictures of the grounding rod array.

Make it very clear to Clarence that he has to emulate the SWER testing guy and present clear, credible, and legitimate data.  None of his bullshit rambling paragraphs where you have to piece together three disparate sentences and try to figure out what he is saying.  He has to make definitive clear statements and present coherent data in tabular form, and so on and so on.  One of his sentences when he was pressed for answers was just ridiculous.  It went something like, "I DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO bla bla ba."  None of that crap.

So, we all figure that Clarence is not in it for the money.  He is ostensibly an "honourable claimant."  Then let him make a claim.

If he can't do something simple like a 100-watt light bulb test, and he is not in it for the money, then what are we supposed to conclude?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1872 on: April 29, 2015, 04:31:09 AM »
MH
EXACTLY
See these days you would never be able to bring a such a wonderful  product like that to market...
safety this and safety that.. heck most of the products I grew up
with would be out lawed today...[I even think their trying to outlaw Bazooka Bubble gum...

SOooo
did you field test it yet ?
does it come with a remote control [I'll press the button for yah... ;D ...]
incase your Chicken..

I triple Dog dare yah


Ha ha...good one Chet.  If I were drinking something while reading this...it would have been all over my keyboard.
I'll bet MH laughed a bit as well.

Bill

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1873 on: April 29, 2015, 04:34:06 AM »


What should Clarence do?  If we were in the driver's seat and we were in project management, what should we have him do?

For me the answer is very obvious.  He is in North America, he has 120 VAC mains.  All that he needs to do is connect one 100-watt incandescent light bulb to the output and run a one-month test.  I have already mentioned this before.   He can record basic data while he runs the test.  His experience and skill level is low, so just have him record some simple stuff.  The battery voltage, the AC voltage across the light bulb, the date and time, etc.  Take pictures of the setup, and the setup in operation.  Take pictures of the grounding rod array.


MH:

He can't do that.  His battery will not even last more than a few days, much less a month.  You can't expect an O.U. device to run for a month without having to recharge the batteries....right?

Oh wait....

Bill

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1874 on: April 29, 2015, 04:46:35 AM »
@MH: I think your switch is in backwards. Hint: When switch is ON, bulb should be LIT.

Try plugging the cord into one of the outlets, maybe it'll work right then.

 

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