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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1378875 times)

Offline forest

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #180 on: October 14, 2013, 08:12:36 PM »
btw .... there is no other way , it is all connected to that single truth

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #181 on: October 14, 2013, 08:15:29 PM »
load test using above set up
No load
input   0.5 amps  230 v ac
loop current   140 amps
output  0 amps
with load
input   0.7 amps
loop current   120 amps
output   0.3 amps
load    1.7 amps   electric drill
10 mm cable loop   very hot


Thank you for the update.
10 mm cable is good to 239 amps for transmission (Maximum 328 amps for chassis wiring) and typically the insulation is rated to 200 C temperature.
http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm


Does your 10 mm cable have insulation on it or is it bare cable?


Have you also tried the Shokac circuit diagram that he posted up this page, it looked interesting.  The Barbosa/Leal circuit looks simple but must be some special kind of hookup to made it work.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #182 on: October 14, 2013, 11:41:56 PM »

Thank you for the update.
10 mm cable is good to 239 amps for transmission (Maximum 328 amps for chassis wiring) and typically the insulation is rated to 200 C temperature.
http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm


Does your 10 mm cable have insulation on it or is it bare cable?  Its insulated but fine strand   will load the video later today


Have you also tried the Shokac circuit diagram that he posted up this page, it looked interesting.  The Barbosa/Leal circuit looks simple but must be some special kind of hookup to made it work.
I will replace the insulation in my MOT since the system is is grounded blowing my 13 a fuse....  also I hit one coil and might be damaged during the cutting of the weld
1. I will try to test without e core and replace with magnet     ..... the loop I will insert a galvanized spring to see if the temperature will stabilize
Temperature control is one factor or you can connect the end of the loop with
a. heating elemet from an oven,  induction cooker coil, oil soaked radiator heater , water heater ,  copper tubing with running water
b. bigger transformer / capacity to suit the loading   
c.  in the video of Barbosa  the wire size does matter
 
 
http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs
« Last Edit: October 15, 2013, 05:04:09 AM by totoalas »

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #182 on: October 14, 2013, 11:41:56 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #183 on: October 15, 2013, 09:22:10 AM »
This circuit is my next try.



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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #184 on: October 15, 2013, 11:51:29 AM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #185 on: October 15, 2013, 04:09:37 PM »
If the so called Energy from the Ground is Toroid Transformer as you showed on the picture. I know exactly how this Electro Dynamic Induction Machine=Rotating Transformer=Rotating Magnetic Field. In simple term it is the Lenzless Generator/Converter of Nikola Tesla which produce DNA like Waveform=means all loads will be in PHASE with the two Primary. TPU is another variation.

The converter only works with 2 Phase Alternating Currents for the Transformer has TWO sets of windings ( PRIMARY), 4 wound coils is connected in a manner that they fix the magnetic lines of field in 90 degrees.. The Converter/Transformer is powered with TWO Primaries on the toroid, the 4 coils is wound in a Asymmetrical Manner, Look for Patent Illustration of Nikola Tesla that you can clearly see the Windings e.g. 390,413 Figure 2 and 3. is a simple version which use only 3 TERMINAL  two different input of two Primaries with Common Grounding. This Transformer/Converter works like a Normal Transformer on any MERALCO Power Line which is Line to Ground(Earth).

Im about to build the Royer ZVS Oscillator to build the 390,413  Tesla Converter/ Transformer. The one you showed with 4 Terminal is power by DC input, with a special design of Commutator that will feed the 4 Terminal with a DNA like Squarewave. This design had long been documented and analyze together with my cousin when we have time to hang out. Read the patent but you will have a hard time to dig it out or understand the concept about that Converter/Electro Dynamic Induction Machine/Rotating Transformer/Egg of Columbus/4 Wound Coil Induction Motor of Nikola Tesla I think I already give you the origin of this device if im not wrong on what you mean. :o :o

Stupify :P ::)


Thank you for the update.
10 mm cable is good to 239 amps for transmission (Maximum 328 amps for chassis wiring) and typically the insulation is rated to 200 C temperature.
http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm


Does your 10 mm cable have insulation on it or is it bare cable?


Have you also tried the Shokac circuit diagram that he posted up this page, it looked interesting.  The Barbosa/Leal circuit looks simple but must be some special kind of hookup to made it work.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #186 on: October 15, 2013, 06:05:59 PM »
http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs


Thank you for the video of your latest Barbosa/Leal replication experiment. 
How many coil turns per transformer? CW or CCW turns?  NS, NS, NS coil orientation?
Cheers

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #186 on: October 15, 2013, 06:05:59 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #187 on: October 15, 2013, 06:59:17 PM »
If the so called Energy from the Ground is Toroid Transformer as you showed on the picture. I know exactly how this Electro Dynamic Induction Machine=Rotating Transformer=Rotating Magnetic Field. In simple term it is the Lenzless Generator/Converter of Nikola Tesla which produce DNA like Waveform=means all loads will be in PHASE with the two Primary. TPU is another variation.

The converter only works with 2 Phase Alternating Currents for the Transformer has TWO sets of windings ( PRIMARY), 4 wound coils is connected in a manner that they fix the magnetic lines of field in 90 degrees.. The Converter/Transformer is powered with TWO Primaries on the toroid, the 4 coils is wound in a Asymmetrical Manner, Look for Patent Illustration of Nikola Tesla that you can clearly see the Windings e.g. 390,413 Figure 2 and 3. is a simple version which use only 3 TERMINAL  two different input of two Primaries with Common Grounding. This Transformer/Converter works like a Normal Transformer on any MERALCO Power Line which is Line to Ground(Earth).

Im about to build the Royer ZVS Oscillator to build the 390,413  Tesla Converter/ Transformer. The one you showed with 4 Terminal is power by DC input, with a special design of Commutator that will feed the 4 Terminal with a DNA like Squarewave. This design had long been documented and analyze together with my cousin when we have time to hang out. Read the patent but you will have a hard time to dig it out or understand the concept about that Converter/Electro Dynamic Induction Machine/Rotating Transformer/Egg of Columbus/4 Wound Coil Induction Motor of Nikola Tesla I think I already give you the origin of this device if im not wrong on what you mean. :o :o

Stupify :P ::)


Interesting, looking forward to experiments results  :)
"Hidden in plain sight" ?!
Over simplification take on my part, the shape and coil arraignments all looked similar to each other.  Some toroidal researchers have found that their is a VORTEX above the coil that can effect weather over-head, light sucking in clouds on a clear day and cause lightning to strike, yikes!
Cheers

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #188 on: October 15, 2013, 09:55:50 PM »

Thank you for the video of your latest Barbosa/Leal replication experiment. 
How many coil turns per transformer?   2 TURNS
 
CW or CCW turns?   TR1 CW   TR2 CCW    TR3  CW
 NS, NS, NS coil orientation?   NS  SN   NS
Cheers

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #188 on: October 15, 2013, 09:55:50 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #189 on: November 07, 2013, 12:26:17 AM »
I have read all the topics and none of you follow the schetces in the patent. I think then you will not achieve the results made by leal and barbosa. Ground wire how do you connect? a simple close loop ? or an open loop? like a spring?


how do you fulfill  the figure 6 in your tests? For the moment I have no ideea and no explanations.
 
He states in the first part of the description that the key of the invention is aditive induction in both cicles of the oscilations. Kind a tricky because in the same time he states it work in DC .


Don t even think this invention is not true.


Has anyone tried the patent as it is written? as it is shown in the figures? Results?


Theree problems
1 iduction connection
2. wiring of the second coil - those 2-5 rounds of wire
3. possible anything not shown.
We have the results- well shown.
We have some clues and figures...
We have to find the path to the final and good result


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #190 on: November 07, 2013, 12:56:12 AM »
Balbosa Test 2   100+amps  hot to touch  061113     youtube     just playing around   :)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #190 on: November 07, 2013, 12:56:12 AM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #191 on: November 07, 2013, 12:16:54 PM »
I tried the patent  as it is shown in the figures.
It dosen t work.
Bazicly is equal to put the load and the whole transformer in paralell and connect to the grid (specially in the poarized version).

Pin =Pout

No??
The magic is the ground connetion .
Enybody knows how it really is?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #192 on: November 07, 2013, 03:15:23 PM »
 Hi , Guys,
 
I’ ve been in personal contact with the inventors, and on behalf of the lawsuit they are suffering right now, they can no longer sell the equipment, and those sold were collected.
 
Unfortunately they brought the equipment to validate on the university of “UNICAMP”, which means that they probaly will definitely, "bury" the work once again.
It seems that a new patent comes out in December and I was told by Nilson,  that after this date I could talk to them again and  get a diagram of the machine. Who nows ????
 
I am willing to cooperate here in São Paulo Brazil.
 
But if possible, I would like a summary of the  group’s progress , any replication, etc
 
If you already have any schematics extracted from the patentes ?
 
If you have any specific questions ?  I am gona call back the inventors in December, if any questions can be answered ... I can try to get some more  information...
 
Grateful....
Better send me direct email , i cant visit regulary this forun.

enric@aliancaluz.org

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #193 on: November 08, 2013, 09:09:57 PM »
thanks for the offer and support
you can throw in all the info you can get and we can start from there
ok  we can start with
size of transformer   input  and out put
size of secondary loop / current to for a 2 kw set up
any electronics  for a self loop
thanks
Sterling Allen has been updating also on the recent round up of the balbosa machine    PESN    and Mark Dainse Revolution - green    so your input is a welcome development in this thread    thanks
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #194 on: November 09, 2013, 01:27:53 AM »
I don't see the problem.

If people actually have found a overunity device working (Invented/reinvented/replicated) that doesn't even matter.
And they want to put it onto market or anything but its being hold by people/instance/government/whatever to make money.

Why they don't do this :

Open growshop (to dump the gangja).
Power 600.000 watts of light bulps.
Under that grow gangja (indoor obv).
Have safe(clean) water trough electrolyse.
Make every 9 weeks a netto profit of ATLEAST 937.500 euro's.

But since the size of it you need to pay the workers more, and 'lock' them for atleast 10 weeks.
Hey don't worry, they get paid more then working regular work !
(Though you need like 1700 square meters place).

This is a totally of the grid option !


Now that makes u settle for life, after a year for sure!

Now comes the best part.
You rinse/clean the planet of CO2.
You introduce oxygen in the world.
You have profit, to do whatever you want.
You published you're how-to so other people can do what u do.
People can get of the grid and be as close as possible government free.
You have the possibility to eliminate poor at all. (clean water trough electrolyze, a lot of free power everywhere).

So tell me, why does Barbosa and Leal not release the diagrams if you have come in contact with them ?
If there scared they also can go release on TOR anonymous.

Perhaps bring them contact with me ?

Sincerely.

So is this video possibly showing the same idea? Or is it just a fake??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIJjIBVJgU4


truesearch
Nice find, and seems legit in my opinion.
Although it seems the lights don't shine too brightly ?
I have a re look on it tomorrow with YT/Google subtitles if the video supports is.

EDIT no subs support, anyone mind translating it ? I only understand 3 words.
1 being Battery.
2 being Tesla.
3 being Device.

English subs under it would be nice, any Russian volunteers ?

 

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