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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1405139 times)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1740 on: April 23, 2015, 09:37:15 PM »
Should be noticed that Dragon has said this about enclosed schematic

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It's simply my interpretation of the patent drawings and could very well be wrong or incomplete to some degree.
end Quote

Also I am not quite certain what Dragon implies by "Ferro resonance"
I will ask him...
** And here is the response from dragon
ferroresonance is a condition that occurs in a system where there is a non linear inductance in series with a capacitive link. If the system is being driven by a frequency, such as a 50/60 hz line, and the inductance shifts to a level that makes the capacitive link resonant then it creates a short circuit or a switch of sorts. This can cause high voltage conditions to occur and/or over current situations that can damage components.

When the current in the loop varies the inductance of the coil changes based on the saturation of the core. If the conditions are right this forms a resonant series LC in which case has only the resistance of the conductors to deter transfer - basically a dead short


 
« Last Edit: April 23, 2015, 11:56:14 PM by ramset »

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1741 on: April 23, 2015, 10:26:50 PM »
Here is a huge unresolved issue:

Quoting Clarence:

<<<
C. HOW do you know when you have reached the point when you are at
 the needed Level of potential? (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
 
 SIMPLE!!!!  when the voltage from the ground return NEUTRAL across
 the CAPTOR output PHASE
reads the EXACT SAME rms as is shown
 ACROSS THE INVERTER OUTPUT then you are ONLY AT THE TIPPING
 POINT!!!! you will STILL have  to add MORE RODS!!!! say 10 to 20 -
 and after you apply loads and the rms on the CAPTOR output starts to
 drop somewhat you  can KNOW you will still need some more
 potential from the earth by adding a few more rods.
 " ITS CALLED ENERGY FROM THE EARTH"  the NAME of the system-
 STICK IT IN YOUR SKULLS people!!!!
>>>

Is anybody willing to ask him where you are supposed to put your multimeter probes to make the two measurements highlighted in bold?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1742 on: April 23, 2015, 11:11:23 PM »
Here is an off-topic clip from the great YouTuber Thunderf00t where he debunks Solar (freaking) Roadways:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocV-RnVQdcs

There are many lessons to learn in that clip but there are two that I want to especially mention.

1.  They never show you any data about how much power their little outdoor driveway demo can produce.

Think about it - the whole point for "Solar Roadways" is to generate power, and they don't show you how much power they can generate with their outdoor "Solar Roadways" driveway.  They have a working real-world physical example of their device and they don't tell you how much power it produces.

2.  They never show you the LED illumination during the daytime, they only show you fake computer renderings, when they have a real "Solar Roadway" sitting right there on their little outdoor driveway.

Think about it - another big selling point is for the "Solar Roadways" is the capability to reconfigure driving lanes, direction signs, crosswalks, but they don't show you it in the daytime even though they have a real prototype outside their house.

The reason for that is because the LED illumination is not visible during the daytime.

Clarence is playing the same kind of game with you guys.  You have to put your rational minds in gear.  The most important thing is for Clarence to present valid data.  Equally important is for you to just look at the proposal and using your own wits figure out that it will never work in a million years.  Equally important is to call out quackery when you see it.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1742 on: April 23, 2015, 11:11:23 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1743 on: April 23, 2015, 11:32:14 PM »
Your site an example of a product for sale , Clarence is selling nothing .
Unless you suspect he is financially benefiting ??

maybe a grounding rod salesman......?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1744 on: April 24, 2015, 12:03:00 AM »
Chet:

You argument is not applicable.  I am only talking about the merits or lack of merits of the alleged technology.

How about asking Clarence where you are supposed to put your multimeter probes?

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« Reply #1745 on: April 24, 2015, 12:30:56 AM »
Should be noticed that Dragon has said this about enclosed schematic

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It's simply my interpretation of the patent drawings and could very well be wrong or incomplete to some degree.
end Quote

It is correct wrt the "ground" non-connection as claimed by B&L and also as appears in the first sketches attributed to Clarence, I believe. It is not correct with respect to the circuit allegedly used _now_ by Clarence, where this non-connection now connects to the mains input, turning the ground rod array into a big resistor.

So how anyone could call Clarence's circuit a "replication" of the B&L claims is beyond me, since this fundamental element of the "captor" circuit is completely different.

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Also I am not quite certain what Dragon implies by "Ferro resonance"
I will ask him...
** And here is the response from dragon
ferroresonance is a condition that occurs in a system where there is a non linear inductance in series with a capacitive link. If the system is being driven by a frequency, such as a 50/60 hz line, and the inductance shifts to a level that makes the capacitive link resonant then it creates a short circuit or a switch of sorts. This can cause high voltage conditions to occur and/or over current situations that can damage components.

When the current in the loop varies the inductance of the coil changes based on the saturation of the core. If the conditions are right this forms a resonant series LC in which case has only the resistance of the conductors to deter transfer - basically a dead short


Sounds like he's at least read the documents I linked up above, even if not fully understood them. Now let's see if he can explain how this condition could possibly occur in the B&L circuit or the one Clarence is allegedly using-- especially without blowing the inverter and/or battery charger.


I'd also like to know why one rod should be deeper than the other. Was it the "North" rod that is supposed to be deeper? Is this the case in the Southern Hemisphere as well? Where is some actual data that I can examine, comparing the results from ground rods sunk to various depths? Is it possible to see an image of the original laboratory notebook where the original data on ground rod depth was recorded?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1746 on: April 24, 2015, 03:51:33 AM »
It is correct wrt the "ground" non-connection as claimed by B&L and also as appears in the first sketches attributed to Clarence, I believe. It is not correct with respect to the circuit allegedly used _now_ by Clarence, where this non-connection now connects to the mains input, turning the ground rod array into a big resistor.

So how anyone could call Clarence's circuit a "replication" of the B&L claims is beyond me, since this fundamental element of the "captor" circuit is completely different.

Sounds like he's at least read the documents I linked up above, even if not fully understood them. Now let's see if he can explain how this condition could possibly occur in the B&L circuit or the one Clarence is allegedly using-- especially without blowing the inverter and/or battery charger.


I'd also like to know why one rod should be deeper than the other. Was it the "North" rod that is supposed to be deeper? Is this the case in the Southern Hemisphere as well? Where is some actual data that I can examine, comparing the results from ground rods sunk to various depths? Is it possible to see an image of the original laboratory notebook where the original data on ground rod depth was recorded?

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Actually, according to some Russian research from years ago, the north is the plus and should be deeper such that the bottom of your electrodes form the same angle as the magnetic dip angle for your area.  (taking into consideration the distance between them) In my case here I think that was 20 degrees or so.  (I published a chart on the old earth battery topic years ago and I am on a different computer now and it is not saved in favorites)  The south electrode is -.  But, it is not magnetic North South but the meridian North South.  In my case the deviation is only 3 degrees but in many cases it would be much more than that.

Earth batteries do work but, no more OU than solar.  Yes I used carbon and magnesium for the electrodes which will give a galvanic result of (I am going from memory here) 1.3-1.5 volts yet, I was obtaining 2.7 volts and higher.  Enough to power a JT camera circuit using two 10F super caps to light a 48" floro tube and also, at another test, 400 leds.

Funny thing is, when it rained, my volts and power went lower...my best results were in the middle of summer with a dry ground condition.

Possibly off topic but maybe not as my experiments with energy from the ground really worked.  (and still do)

Bill

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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« Reply #1747 on: April 24, 2015, 05:06:29 AM »
Those are great results Bill, but I'm wondering if you did any control experiments to determine if it was indeed some kind of magnetic field effect, or was more "earth battery" electrochemistry in action. For example, did you try two ground rods that were east-west instead of north south, to see if you got no or greatly reduced output power? There are a handful of other control experiments that come to mind that would test the hypothesis that the Earth's magnetic field, or "telluric currents" have something to do with the power output you found. But without some kind of control comparison, we have a demonstration, not an experiment, and causality cannot be determined from demonstrations.

Did you try different depths yourself? I am afraid I don't trust much Russian reporting if it's not in peer-reviewed journals, and sometimes not even then. There are some great Russian scientists of course, but there are also more than their fair share of hoaxers, misinterpreters and simple false claimants.

It's not completely off-topic, since Clarence allegedly isn't using the non-contact ground wire any more.  But then it isn't really a B&L replication any more, either, is it.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1748 on: April 24, 2015, 05:30:07 AM »
Those are great results Bill, but I'm wondering if you did any control experiments to determine if it was indeed some kind of magnetic field effect, or was more "earth battery" electrochemistry in action. For example, did you try two ground rods that were east-west instead of north south, to see if you got no or greatly reduced output power? There are a handful of other control experiments that come to mind that would test the hypothesis that the Earth's magnetic field, or "telluric currents" have something to do with the power output you found. But without some kind of control comparison, we have a demonstration, not an experiment, and causality cannot be determined from demonstrations.

Did you try different depths yourself? I am afraid I don't trust much Russian reporting if it's not in peer-reviewed journals, and sometimes not even then. There are some great Russian scientists of course, but there are also more than their fair share of hoaxers, misinterpreters and simple false claimants.

It's not completely off-topic, since Clarence allegedly isn't using the non-contact ground wire any more.  But then it isn't really a B&L replication any more, either, is it.

Well, before I had my good set-up with the large carbon rod and 5 lb mag. block, I actually did have my first few tests done in an east/west configuration.  I had not read that Russian report at that time and I just stuck the electrodes in my garden and it turned out they were east/west.
Not an apples/apples test because my new set-up has much more surface area and mass so...the short answer is no.

In the early days, I did use 2 pieces of copper pipe cut from the same 6' pipe (again, stuck in the ground east/west at same depth) and got .7 volts.  This was to dispel folks that claimed only galvanic action for others results in that topic area. However, there was not much power, maybe 2 mA's if I recall.

I really have no idea about the dip angle being relevant or not but I had read that and since I was using the new electrodes I figured I would give it a go.  When it worked as well as it did, I just kept seeing how much I could light up from it and didn't even consider moving it around to see if it mattered or not.  I am not endorsing that Russian study, just mentioning it as it seemed relevant here as of late.

I believe Stubblefield also mentioned placing the electrodes on a north/south alignment and he claimed no erosion of any of the metals used.  I can not substantiate this as I have not dug up my magnesium since I buried it. (It may be 90% gone for all I know) I have pulled the carbon rods twice and they are fine.  (They are easy to pull out)

If I get time this summer, I may see what is happening out there and repair the damage the lawn guys did to my wires and give it another go.  I can also post more scope shots since I should be better with my scope now than back then...maybe not...we will see.  There are some high spikes flying all over the place and I think that was what was filling my super caps vs what I could measure with my dmm.

Here is a shot I took hopefully showing all of the spikes...which, of course, could easily be man made and leakage from the wiring in my area.

Bill

PS  The spikes do not really show up in the photos...they flash on and off the scope and jump all over the place.  I will check my video I made of them and if they show up better...I will edit a link here.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBAU4HAMfs
TK  You can see those spikes especially near the end of the video.  I have not seen this vid in years and, it shows up pretty well.  I still have no idea what those 3 overlapping waves were or, that waveform at the end of the vid.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1749 on: April 24, 2015, 05:52:40 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaUBxUJrGzY 
100 LEDs powered from the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fV-xjRy3I4
18" floro tube powered from the ground

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kL8ys8m0-4
48" floro tube powered from the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLzdHRovnbo
200 leds powered from the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY
Bedini motor powered from the ground

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agqKEed7AOI
400 leds powered from the ground.

Bill

***EDIT***  I wanted to add that more than likely some, or a lot of this energy may be galvanic but, from the numbers, I don't see how all of it can be.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1750 on: April 24, 2015, 09:57:33 AM »
Brad:

Thanks for the correction but it doesn't make any difference.  Having the earth ground wire loop a few turns around the secondary high-current captor loop is really nothing more than electronics quackery that doesn't mean anything.  It's just like other parts of the circuit are electronics quackery.  To tell the truth I was aware that there were three or four variations on the CAD-based schematic and I wasn't willing to spend 10 or 15 minutes trying to figure out which one was a perfect match.

Your comments about the number of grounding rods is not necessarily true.  It's just as easily arguable that the number of rods in the setup is never really an issue and it is not a "choke point" for the current flow at all.  You can make a reasonable assumption that it's possible that no matter the number of rods, the conductivity through the ground remains very high.  For example, if the soil resistance between the two sets of grounding rods varies let's say between 0.4 ohms and 0.8 ohms depending on the number of rods, then it's not going to really make any difference at all.  I am making an assumption about the resistance because it never occurred to Clarence to make that measurement, plus he wouldn't know how to make the measurement anyway.  As far as Clarence saying that he got more power to the load, I take that all with a huge grain of salt.  It's possible that it's a "good story" for the narrative and leave it at that.  Even if he did observe more power to the load, it could have been because of another factor, which most likely Clarence would not have been able to distinguish.

There are several caveats here.  Firstly, I don't know what the typical resistance would be between sets of grounding rods.  I am making an assumption that the rods are at least one meter in length, and the lower parts of the rods make it down to very moist or even water-logged soil.  Under those conditions I am making an assumption of less than one ohm, and for all I know it might even be less than 1/10th of an ohm.  I really don't know.  It's a pretty strange measurement to make, so it might be very hard to find that information, I didn't try.  Secondly, I have no idea what kind of soil there is where Clarence is, how wet the soil is, how long his rods are, when did it last rain, and so on and so forth.  I read that they said those variables were discussed among the EF members, but not Clarence himself.  However, we can't forget that two sets of grounding rods in soil are at the EXACT SAME GROUND POTENTIAL, and that means they are as dead as a doornail with respect to "extracting power from the ground."

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Secondly, I have no idea what kind of soil there is where Clarence is, how wet the soil is, how long his rods are, when did it last rain, and so on and so forth.  I read that they said those variables were discussed among the EF members, but not Clarence himself.
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MH, you have worn out my patience and I am a very patient man. You are the poster child for the syndrome I WILL BLUSTER AND TO HELL WITH THE FACTS.

Clarence gave a clearly detailed description of his soil conditions. You have raved and ranted about LACK OF DATA. The lack of data is your burden because, possibly, you have such a low attention level, that you have ignored published facts that even a high school child would have noticed. Or, at least, SHOULD have noticed before making an idiotic claim that those facts had not been published.

This is not the only serious point on which you have severely and unfairly criticized and insulted a probably sincere and honest man who apparently was acting to be helpful to all humanity, even nut jobs who don't deserve it.

Do you want an extended list of the points on which you have unjustly crucified him as a result of your own grossly ineffective perceptual and perceptive abilities?

It is available.


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« Reply #1751 on: April 24, 2015, 10:54:31 AM »
I will attempt to coin a term, "The Housewife-iPad factor."

I worked in computer graphics 25 years ago.  A long time ago, but look at something like the iPad.  It's just a computer, a graphics subsystem, and a display.  Without ever having read about the guts inside an iPad, I still have a pretty good idea about how it works.  For me, an iPad is not just a "black box," I have a good feeling for what's inside the box.  What applied 25 years ago, still applies today.  The chips inside a graphics computer from 25 years ago are very similar to the chips inside an iPad.  The chips in the iPad and the underlying processes are just more modern.

But what about a "housewife" that never studied or read about technology?  For her, the way an iPad works is so far removed from her experience, that it is almost magic.  She hasn't the slightest clue about what's inside an iPad and she has no understanding about how the underlying software works.  For her, the only thing she knows is that it works.  She doesn't have to know how it works.  For her, the inside of the iPad is just "grey mist."  The software in the iPad is just "grey mist."  Her mind has no frame of reference for even conceptualizing about how the iPad works.

That is the Housewife-iPad factor.

And for many so-called "free energy researchers" and replicators, the Housewife-iPad factor comes into play.  It's happening for this replication.  BroMikey is seriously affected by the Housewife-iPad factor.  Even Clarence is suffering from the Housewife-iPad factor.  There is no demonstrated capability to understand or analyze this circuit.

For them it's like the blind leading the blind.  For me it's like the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot.

So, anybody that is considering doing a replication has to seriously consider all of these factors.  And even more importantly Clarence has to answer the questions.  Or just continue sleepwalking...


I have been noticing, MH, that you have an amazing ability to alternate between an almost brain-dead persona IQ 60 or less,  and this very elegant and indeed eloquent persona IQ perhaps 115. I am impressed by your range. Not that there is anything wrong with that. How do you do it?


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1752 on: April 24, 2015, 11:18:24 AM »
He didn't have the right light bulb??  You have got to be kidding.

Quote from Ariovaldo:

I will give you a possible explanation for all of this.  Barbosa and Leal are criminals.  They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip.  The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device.  They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available.  When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.

Then we have "Phase II."  Clarence has some psychological issues and he loves telling big stories and being the center of attention.  He can lie about all sorts of things, but when asked to produce hard data that's a line he can't cross.  You see, there is "colourful story" lying which in his mind is not really lying at all, and then there is outright lying where you state that you ran tests and recorded hard data but that did not take place.  So he can't psychologically cross that line and make an outright lie, hence he avoids the question.

Then you have a real victim, the EF user Totoalas that is going to buy grounding rods and travel in Asia to get parts for a replication.  What if he is just a guy of modest means and this is sucking all his money away from his family?  Most of the people on EF are reading here.  I don't for a second believe that all of you believe Clarence.  Yet not a single one of you is advising caution to Totoalas, or even telling him publicly on the EF thread that you don't believe that Clarence's system works.  I will remind all of you that it's 100% clear to me that Clarence knows next to nothing about electronics.  That makes a lot of you stupid spineless bitches in my book.

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I will give you a possible explanation for all of this.  Barbosa and Leal are criminals.  They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip.  The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device.  They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available.  When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.
Your libelous fantasy is a truly scurrilous slur. There is not enough money in the universe to pay me to take your Karma.

You are sick.

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« Reply #1753 on: April 24, 2015, 11:27:16 AM »
He didn't have the right light bulb??  You have got to be kidding.

I will give you a possible explanation for all of this.  Barbosa and Leal are criminals.  They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip.  The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device.  They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available.  When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.

Then we have "Phase II."  Clarence has some psychological issues and he loves telling big stories and being the center of attention.  He can lie about all sorts of things, but when asked to produce hard data that's a line he can't cross.  You see, there is "colourful story" lying which in his mind is not really lying at all, and then there is outright lying where you state that you ran tests and recorded hard data but that did not take place.  So he can't psychologically cross that line and make an outright lie, hence he avoids the question.

Then you have a real victim, the EF user Totoalas that is going to buy grounding rods and travel in Asia to get parts for a replication.  What if he is just a guy of modest means and this is sucking all his money away from his family?  Most of the people on EF are reading here.  I don't for a second believe that all of you believe Clarence.  Yet not a single one of you is advising caution to Totoalas, or even telling him publicly on the EF thread that you don't believe that Clarence's system works.  I will remind all of you that it's 100% clear to me that Clarence knows next to nothing about electronics.  That makes a lot of you stupid spineless bitches in my book.

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Mile High, You have crossed over line and gone hyperbolic now.

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I will give you a possible explanation for all of this.  Barbosa and Leal are criminals.  They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip.  The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device.  They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available.  When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.

Unless you can supply a link verifying that that is exactly what was proved to have happened, your libelous fantasy is a truly scurrilous slur and a damned lie. There is not enough money in the universe to pay me to take your Karma.

You are sick.

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That makes a lot of you stupid spineless bitches in my book.

And that makes you a delusional lying son of a bitch in my book, until you prove it.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1754 on: April 24, 2015, 12:27:55 PM »
Nelson:

So your example has absolutely nothing to do with this B&L device.

Enjoykin:

I don't follow LENR, and it has absolutely nothing to do with this B&L device.

Anybody is welcome to contribute to this thread.  You can forget your "OU poster conspiracy theories" also.

All:

What if I say to you that the government is lying to you?

I suppose that you will get all upset and say that it is wrong.

What if I say to you that the big corporations are lying to you?

I suppose that you will get all upset and say that it is wrong.

What if I say to you that Barbosa and Leal are lying to you?

Oh..... You don't have much to say, you become sheep.

What if I say to you that Clarence is lying to you?

Oh.... You don't have much to say, you become sheep.

Okay, not all of you become sheep, but some of you clearly become sheep.

I am offended that Barbosa and Leal are liars.  I am offended that poor Clarence is a liar and can't admit that he never made a long-term test of his replication, and now he plays the "guru that doesn't know how to tie his own shoes."

And I feel dismay that very few people around here are able to have an honest discussion about the merits or the lack of merits for a given free energy proposition.  Even people with very basic electronics skills should be able to recognize how silly and stupid it is to have a device that includes two short-circuited toroidal transformers.

So I made my points about this silly project and had a serious technical discussion about it.  Nobody has tried to argue my technical points at all.

So let's all sit back and watch the people struggle with their replication attempts while Clarence struggles and tries to navigate himself through a world of electronics he knows very little about.  Clarence is just a victim of Barbosa and Leal, pretending he knows what he is doing, and ultimately creating more victims when people try to replicate his unproven nonsense.

This is a classic case of reality being stranger than fiction.

MileHigh


'HIGH, what if I say to you that you are a liar? And remind you that in the Judeo-Christian religion, which I embrace, any and every liar is condemned by God to unending burning fire of Hell? And therefore any and every unrepentant liar is a Goddam liar?

And what if I remind you that many posts ago, you falsely claimed that Clarence did not explain a detail about the wiring of his grounding array that you, in your limited intellect, found yourself befuddled? And what if I can easily show that Clarence had indeed explained the detail, but, in your apparently unlimited talent for being, and, behaving as if you are a silly unobservant fool, you said he did not explain it?

You are really not very smart, boy.


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