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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1741564 times)

MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1710 on: April 23, 2015, 01:29:26 AM »
We have some new technical information from Clarence:

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C. HOW do you know when you have reached the point when you are at
 the needed Level of potential? ???
 
 SIMPLE!!!!  when the voltage from the ground return NEUTRAL across
 the CAPTOR output PHASE reads the EXACT SAME rms as is shown
 ACROSS THE INVERTER OUTPUT then you are ONLY AT THE TIPPING
 POINT!!!! you will STILL have  to add MORE RODS!!!! say 10 to 20 -
 and after you apply loads and the rms on the CAPTOR output starts to
 drop somewhat you  can KNOW you will still need some more
 potential from the earth by adding a few more rods.
 " ITS CALLED ENERGY FROM THE EARTH"  the NAME of the system-
 STICK IT IN YOUR SKULLS people!!!!
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I added the annotations for "Ground Grid Return" and "Ground Grid Input" to that cut-off BroMikey schematic and attached it here.

Where is this measurement on the schematic, or please ask Clarence:  "the voltage from the ground return NEUTRAL across
 the CAPTOR output PHASE."

Certainly you you put one of your probes on the Ground Grid Return line, because that is connected to a neutral.  Where do you put the other probe?

What about this measurement:  "the rms on the CAPTOR output"

Is that the same measurement, or do you put your probes somewhere else?
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Enjoykin

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1711 on: April 23, 2015, 02:43:10 AM »
Watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fURFkTC1rmQ
Generally same Captor configuration !!

Scalar magnetic filed in action  !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKspT_CGAtE

More interesting videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/Ingener99/videos
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MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1712 on: April 23, 2015, 07:29:22 AM »
I think I can hear the sound of one hand clapping.
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skribat

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1713 on: April 23, 2015, 10:28:55 AM »
Quote from: Hoppy on April 22, 2015, 11:37:49 AM
Could you show us the evidence for this please?

I will have to search my archives for it so it may take a while, I think several of the latest Kapenadze videos were taken down from you tube, the latest was taken at an installation launch open to tradespeople, where they showed a working device putting out (I think) 10,000 kw . .. the previous ones showed them in an industrial unit assembling what appeared to be sub-stations using 50,000v oil filled transformers ..  I would have liked to have stored the videos but my ADSL connection is slow (out in the sticks) and causes me problems. .. meanwhile I think you might like to see this .. .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=E0bOK7ChwbQ#t=595   explanation and demonstration of B&L type circuit. .. with measurements ..   It may take some time to find the Kapenadze I work most of the day and don't have as much energy as I used to have, old age creeping on.

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skribat

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1714 on: April 23, 2015, 11:46:43 AM »
Tesla's little secret.  testing the Kapanadze coils .. power increase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z-QvHSyHOuQ#t=647
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TinselKoala

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1715 on: April 23, 2015, 01:15:22 PM »
Quote from: skribat on April 23, 2015, 11:46:43 AM
Tesla's little secret.  testing the Kapanadze coils .. power increase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z-QvHSyHOuQ#t=647

You're going to have to do better than that!

(10,000 kW ? From a Kapanadze device at a "trade show"? I'm laughing in my coffee. That gets a ROFL for sure.)
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skribat

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1716 on: April 23, 2015, 01:44:42 PM »
I don't have to do better than anything .. .. .. and that isn't the way to get me to give up my free time to go searching things for you ..  either you would like to see it or you wouldn't as things are at the moment I really don't give a damn. .. so take it or leave it .. go search for it yourself.
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Hoppy

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1717 on: April 23, 2015, 02:26:11 PM »
Quote from: skribat on April 23, 2015, 01:44:42 PM
I don't have to do better than anything .. .. .. and that isn't the way to get me to give up my free time to go searching things for you ..  either you would like to see it or you wouldn't as things are at the moment I really don't give a damn. .. so take it or leave it .. go search for it yourself.

Surely you could quite easily post the link to it. After all, it was you who brought it to the attention of forum members, so why not save us all the time in searching.
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Grumage

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1718 on: April 23, 2015, 03:21:04 PM »
Quote from: MileHigh on April 23, 2015, 01:21:21 AM
Grum bought some more grounding rods.  If he can get around to doing a resistance measurement (using a battery) between two ground rods placed something like a meter apart that would be appreciated.  I recommend putting a 10-watt 10-ohm resistor in series in case the resistance is very low, you don't want to short out the battery.

Dear MileHigh.

Glad to oblige.

Using my bench power supply and UPS I placed two rods at 1.1 M approx. 3' 6" apart. Buried 0.9 M approx. 3' deep. There is also a polarity noted, Southern one positive and Northern one negative.

Results.

With polarity.

5 vdc     0.01 A

10 vdc   0.03 A

15 vdc   0.05 A

20 vdc   0.07 A

Against polarity.

5 vdc    0.02 falling back to 0.01 A

10 vdc  0.04 falling back to  0.03 A

15 vdc  0.06 falling back to  0.05 A

20 vdc  0.08 falling back to  0.07 A

These tests brought back many happy memories of trudging through the fields doing Earthing tests. A very necessary requisite for a Substation that has 33 Kv flying aloft !!

Cheers Grum.
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ramset

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1719 on: April 23, 2015, 04:23:00 PM »
Repost of SOME Dragon diagrams with Dragon quote from here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-10.html




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I've had a multitude of requests to repost the circuit diagrams I deleted. I've decided to repost only these simple circuits for those interested in experimenting with ground energy. They can be constructed of simple components - hand wound coils on a ferrite core or simply grab a transformer with a center tapped low voltage output and a transistor. The ferrite should be 2000u or higher although most will work with varying degrees of success. I use Stormwise cores for ELF or ULF frequencies.

I have no intention of deterring Clarances discussion on the B&L build although I believe he's overlooked some key features from the patents. Clarence is a smart man and I know he will see it... descriptive words, quite often, don't paint the picture in one's mind the same as the individual explaining it - we have to get there on our own.

Below are the circuit diagrams...far left is the basic hartley circuit - you should start there. Once you achieve success in lighting an LED then you can move on to a more advanced circuit. The second one is a pump and it recycles the energy from each side. The third is a more descriptive diagram of the basic circuit for use in charging batteries or large capacitors. Far right shows that it can be used with an antenna similar to the original Tesla patent - the coils become the capacitor forming a charge displacement between earth and atmosphere.

You can run more than one circuit on the earth grounds - quite often there is a substantial current flowing between the rods but at ultra low voltages. When the transistor base sees a spike or difference between the base and emitter it will fire and the current will flow through the coils then imediately turn off causing a back rush which will continue firing the base. Similar to a ram pump. The second diagram shows how this can be kept going by using the output of one to fire the other and store the inrush in a cap between grounds. I've used a number of different transistors with good success and the only thing you need to look for is a low base threshold ( .25 to .3 volt ) and high amperage rating. I use the MJE18008 because of these features as well as their ability to handle up to 1000 volt spikes. These are quick, simple and cheap ( do with what you have ) - the only difficult part is getting the grounds right which sometimes takes a little time... don't expect to achieve success with a couple nails in the ground...
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1720 on: April 23, 2015, 04:25:25 PM »
Additional Dragon Post and Pic
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http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-10.html
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One to ponder...

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This is for Clarence to ponder... others as well. I know you'll see it - I think your very close to opening the flood gates. I really had no intentions to build this but after re-reading the documents I decided to put together a small system using what I have based on the B&L theory.
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1721 on: April 23, 2015, 04:36:54 PM »
one more from  Dragon
from here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-10.html

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Patent # 690151 - also E.T.Jones earth antenna 1,372,658 is the one that started me in this direction years ago. Understanding Telluric currents helps as well.

Edit .One addendum from the Dragon regarding these circuits and posts
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Consider it an introduction to ground energy - learning about the earths potentials, a place to start learning about what Clarence is trying to accomplish. These circuits can be considered an earth energy detector. They are so stupid simple they really need no more discussion. Further discussion should be on connecting with the earth and ways to capitalize on what is there - the circuits mean nothing without knowledge of the actual source of energy, how to extract, manipulate and turn it into something useful.
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MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1722 on: April 23, 2015, 06:04:43 PM »
Grum:

Thank you very much for doing the tests.  That shows a very high resistance.  I don't know much about ground rods but I will make a few guesses.  I think I read somewhere that a standard grounding rod is about eight feet long.  I am going to assume that in most areas that are not in very dry climates it allows the grounding rod to make it down to the water table.  Perhaps not the water table but something like a region where the soil is permanently moist and just a few feet above the actual water table.  One assumes that then the resistance between two grounding rods one meter apart would be quite low.

I am absolutely NOT asking you to do that, I am more than content to guess at this point in time.  I can always do the research myself if needed.

MileHigh
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a.king21

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1723 on: April 23, 2015, 06:10:23 PM »
Ramset, you beat me to it! ;D


http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-10.html


Dragon's opened the floodgates to earth energy.
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MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1724 on: April 23, 2015, 06:11:09 PM »
Chet:

Thanks for reposting Dragon's information and allowing the blind to see the images.  It's fun and interesting stuff, a good learning experience for hobbyists.  The power levels are very low, probably less than one-tenth of a miliwatt.

The problem is that it has nothing to do with Clarence's alleged system.  That's always a danger with threads.  People start to run out of ideas and before you know it everything but the kitchen sink starts getting discussed.

MileHigh
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