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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1378505 times)

Offline totoalas

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #165 on: October 12, 2013, 01:08:27 AM »
I must first find the phenomenon to drive current from a short circuit.

Ground!  :) :)
No need ground, no need air. Energy from ground  :) :)

This is bullshit in Barbosa device.
This wire (grounding) use only for connect secundary winding of two or three transformer secundary.

Ground wire is the same like N-wire from Grid. Ground and N-wire from grid is the same potential.

Wrap the short circuit in a tesla coil bifilar  cw  n ccw  to connect both ends to load  as in slayer  ckt

Wrap the

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #166 on: October 12, 2013, 07:43:35 AM »
I must first find the phenomenon to drive current from a short circuit.

Ground!  :) :)
No need ground, no need air. Energy from ground  :) :)

This is bullshit in Barbosa device.
This wire (grounding) use only for connect secundary winding of two or three transformer secundary.

Ground wire is the same like N-wire from Grid. Ground and N-wire from grid is the same potential.

So dear Shokac,

You dismissed all the indications that barbosa and Kapanadze device as well SR etc that need a solid one wire ground and say that free energy can be achieved without.

Why you not dismiss in the same manner the free energy fact as well? :)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #167 on: October 12, 2013, 08:11:59 AM »

Interesting, so don't need ground, that would make this design portable  :)
How many turns did you wind on your transformers with the new heavy gauge wire, wire size, photo of your setup?

Secundary must have min 2 turns, max 4-5. With one turn can not get the poles. Wire...... the thicker wires, higher currents will be induced.

Barbosa says that electricity must induce opposite poles from preset multiple windings.
Read all 4 patents, especially the one with the "air".


Fig.9 shows the circuit diagram of the device, indicating the effect of electromagnetic field.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #167 on: October 12, 2013, 08:11:59 AM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #168 on: October 12, 2013, 08:26:55 AM »
So dear Shokac,

You dismissed all the indications that barbosa and Kapanadze device as well SR etc that need a solid one wire ground and say that free energy can be achieved without.

Why you not dismiss in the same manner the free energy fact as well? :)

The first question.
Why ground?
Testatika no need ground... Barbosa in 3 patent not mentioned ground. Akula in his first video no need ground (Device work the same with ground and without ground).
Tesla use ground for second wire in his air transmision device.

Ground is use only for safe, because the N-wires in places poorly grounded.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #169 on: October 12, 2013, 04:16:12 PM »
Energy from ground... without ground.. right :)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #169 on: October 12, 2013, 04:16:12 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #170 on: October 12, 2013, 08:42:32 PM »
It depends what you need. If you need electrons then take it from ground or if you want to protect device from burning then dump excess energy to ground. Edwin Gray used deep cycle batteries but they often exploded....

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #171 on: October 13, 2013, 08:00:14 AM »
« Last Edit: October 13, 2013, 10:14:25 AM by totoalas »

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #172 on: October 13, 2013, 07:31:59 PM »
Secundary must have min 2 turns, max 4-5. With one turn can not get the poles. Wire...... the thicker wires, higher currents will be induced.

Barbosa says that electricity must induce opposite poles from preset multiple windings.
Read all 4 patents, especially the one with the "air".


Fig.9 shows the circuit diagram of the device, indicating the effect of electromagnetic field.


Yeah the "air" patent translated from Pat Kelly's A Practical Guide to ‘Free-Energy’ Devices


ELECTROMAGNETIC DEVICE FOR CAPTURING FREE 
SPACE ELECTRONS TO GENERATE ELECTRICITY

 
 
Application Number:  BR2013/000014 
Publication Date:  07/18/2013 
Filing Date:  01/11/2013 
Assignee:  EVOLUÇÕES ENERGIA LTDA (Rua Santa Tereza 1427-B Centro - Imperatriz -, MA - CEP -470 -
Maranhão, 65900, BR) 
 


Quote
Objectives of the Invention 
The present invention aims to contribute to the  generation of sustainable energy, proposing electromagnetic
equipment capable of producing abundant electricity from an extremely low input of electrical energy. 

The above objective and other objectives are achieved in the present invention by a device comprising at least
three sets of at least one electromagnetic field generating device (without a core or with at least one core)
powered by an electrical power source, having their cores or any extension of them, with their coils or sets of
coils, wound on at least one common conductive member in a closed circuit which is polarised by a voltage
source, and these sets of electromagnetic field generating devices are arranged with their poles in confrontation,
to promote the interaction of electromagnetic fields, and, preferably, positioned between two hollow metallic
hemispheres, in order to focus and enhance their electromagnetic fields - these interactions cause a new
technical effect - the emergence of an electric current which keeps flowing in a closed loop, with or without voltage
being applied to that closed loop, current which is capable of powering external loads - even if no load is attached
to it. 

The device which is the object of the present invention operates as follows:  Sets of electromagnetic field
generating devices to be powered by an electrical power source, produce an electromagnetic field which induces
an electric current in a closed conductive circuit, creating an interaction between the magnetic poles, and through
repeated electromagnetic attraction and repulsion, provides an endless supply of electrons to the conductive
closed loop itself. 

The electrons attracted by this technique, augment the  current flowing in the closed conductive loop, which
provides the current to power external loads of high power, in spite of the fact that the device itself is supplied with
only a small level of power.  Thus, advantageously, the device which is disclosed in the present invention forms a
trap for electrons from space, resulting in the generation of electricity. The interconnections of the components of
the electron-trap cause, a new technical effect, namely, the appearance of an electric current which keeps circling
in a closed circuit, even without any voltage being applied to the closed circuit
, and even without a load being
connected to it.  The present electromagnetic equipment generates electricity or thermal energy, providing access
to this new source of energy through the use of an electromagnetic field.



This design reminds me of the stove cook-top induction heating units of pots and pans to cook food. Here they use the transformers induction with an added closed loop coil to also create an electrical current loop to then tap free electrical energy. This also looks like the electrical version of Edward Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder with magnetic circuit.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #173 on: October 13, 2013, 07:49:20 PM »
Here is Fig. 12 from the "air" patent that shows their theory of the "electron trap" and how the electrons being repelled and attracted without resistance in a closed loop perceptual electric current flow.
Could it really be this simple to extract "free" electrical energy?
Back in Tesla's time there was common talk of free energy electrical devices to power homes and industry that were to be available to the public marketplace within a years time.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #174 on: October 13, 2013, 08:07:27 PM »
More similarities of the Barbosa/Leal "air" coil patent with Mark Steven and Tesla designs.



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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #175 on: October 13, 2013, 10:47:53 PM »
vrand


 ;) ;D ;D ;D


Something to consider : read statements by Harry Perrigo (electrical engineer!!! working in power plant for years!!!). You would understand something about "the problems".


I would say you a story (harrsing it with my simple english) .It is a  story of the son of great sheikh.Son who had fallen in love in ordinary poor girl.
His father told him : why you bother with this poor girl ?, I have 1000 in my harem, go and check them....
Son was a man with great intellect so he convinced himself that father is right. The next 5 years he "poked"  another women in harem each night and then he realised it is all in vein because he can't stop loving this poor girl. The point is - it was far too late to change the way he lived.... and so is for the elite....

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #176 on: October 14, 2013, 07:36:51 AM »
forest  :)
Harry Perrigo also had an interesting invention Etheric Wave Accumulator that never made it to the marketplace, in that case it looked really complicated and labor intensive to build and also difficult to get it working.


Another excellent Info package from Rexresearch http://www.rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig.htm
Cheers








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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #177 on: October 14, 2013, 03:43:23 PM »
http://youtu.be/jeNtqfmV4bw
 
work in progrss
System grounded   
Will remove the iron core on all 4   and replace with ring magnets in insulated paper

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #178 on: October 14, 2013, 06:48:27 PM »
my set up used 3 transformers with the third   as output tothe 60 watts lamp
Carlos has confirmed the set up and in the right direction and explore
load test using above set up
No load
input   0.5 amps  230 v ac
loop current   140 amps
output  0 amps
with load
input   0.7 amps
loop current   120 amps
output   0.3 amps
load    1.7 amps   electric drill
10 mm cable loop   very hot
 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #179 on: October 14, 2013, 08:11:43 PM »
forest  :)
Harry Perrigo also had an interesting invention Etheric Wave Accumulator that never made it to the marketplace, in that case it looked really complicated and labor intensive to build and also difficult to get it working.


Another excellent Info package from Rexresearch http://www.rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig.htm
Cheers




Go, dig that info, eliminate dust and find one embarrasing comment (remember Perrigo was  qualified EE) which should open your eyes. The same Tom Bearden is talking for years but using unnecessary complicated theories.
You should understand why it is not possible to pop up with "energy from ground".

 

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