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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1266786 times)

Offline baroutologos

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #150 on: October 11, 2013, 07:10:30 AM »
I too have failed to replicate the Barbosa-Leal patent.
Under international patent law a patent is only valid if it contains sufficient information for an operative
skilled in the art to replicate the device.
Therefore these guys do NOT have a valid patent and anyone who discovers the secret
can patent their discovery.
Simple as that.
That goes also for Kapanadze.
Under patent law you are legally allowed to make a replication for your own personal use.


Dear King,


Besides patents and rights etc ect, IMO Barbosa - Leal patent as well as Kapanadze device as has been depicted, fall short of a scientific fact besides the energy generation.
How a device can constitute such a huge capacitance so that working in a relative slow frequency (50 Hz etc) can oscillate from ground to device such ridiculously high currents as 10 20 or 30 amps.


Even a huge Tesla coil, with a gigantic topload (say 200pf) operating at increadibly high voltage 200Kv of smooth resonance (not spiked) having an inductive impedance of 10mH operating at 100Khz plus, will oscillate at this high frequency an average 9 amps.


How a small device, not even showing signs of electrostatic charge, one wire to ground connected and oscillating a current of 10,20,30 amps can exist?
Its not a small detail. Its an impossibility according standard methodologies and should be treated with skepticism.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #151 on: October 11, 2013, 10:29:25 AM »
This is may first test of Barbosa device. It is very interestingly.



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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #152 on: October 11, 2013, 12:12:14 PM »
I too have failed to replicate the Barbosa-Leal patent.
Under international patent law a patent is only valid if it contains sufficient information for an operative
skilled in the art to replicate the device.
Therefore these guys do NOT have a valid patent and anyone who discovers the secret
can patent their discovery.
Simple as that.
That goes also for Kapanadze.
Under patent law you are legally allowed to make a replication for your own personal use.

Skilled in what art! - faking / skulduggery? More than enough information to do that!!  ;D

You still seem convinced the Kapanadze hangs on to the secret of how his devices self-run. Surely now is the time for you to make him a final monetary offer before someone else discovers his secret, if they have not already done so. If he has any head for business, then he will surely take your offer as he knows time is running short. Its got to be a win-win situation with Tariel sitting on a wad of money and you with the device that you know is a self-runner and can make you a richer man. What's holding you back?
 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #153 on: October 11, 2013, 01:40:25 PM »

These patents actually has made me think that for all these years we have been taught wrong. The energy flows out of the earth/ground and not in.

So when we stick a metal pole in to the ground we are encouraging the energy to flow out and not current to be returned in to the ground.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #154 on: October 11, 2013, 02:17:31 PM »
These patents actually has made me think that for all these years we have been taught wrong. The energy flows out of the earth/ground and not in.

So when we stick a metal pole in to the ground we are encouraging the energy to flow out and not current to be returned in to the ground.
So how do we draw the energy from the ground?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Offline baroutologos

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #155 on: October 11, 2013, 02:24:36 PM »
@leely,

First seek how a "one terminal oscillator" can oscillate such currents in-out from the ground. Milestone one..

ps: I realy need Verpies contribution on the subject

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #156 on: October 11, 2013, 02:37:01 PM »
And this pipe must be connected to earth ground . In the patent Barbosa Leal said the ground wire should be connected to the thick wire through magnetic induction . I believe also that the loads are not placed on the thick wire circuit but the circuit ground wire.

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  The secondary winding of the transformer coil should be such that you do two poles equals one for up and one for down. One side reinforces the field of the transformer and the other weakens . How this will happen in transformers inductor and coil you will have an avalanche current . And to control all this current to an acceptable level. Pass the thick wire inside a tube of copper or aluminum , which will cause a brake on the chain due to electromagnetic effect . be continue
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  Good afternoon , I've been studying the patent Barbosa Leal and realized I : 1 - The secondary windings of the transformers do not seem to be conventional , 2 - There are two transformers , one he calls the coil and the other inducer . The transformer coil believe this is wrapped in a conventional manner ( the counterclockwise ) . The transformer inductor should be wound this the opposite of the first ( clockwise ) . be continue

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #157 on: October 11, 2013, 02:46:24 PM »
So how do we draw the energy from the ground?

If we knew the answer to this, the Kapanadze thread would not be 1297 pages long!

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #158 on: October 11, 2013, 03:06:18 PM »
So how do we draw the energy from the ground?

I am so frusteraited I have forgoten the name of the Russian guy doing an experiment. Picture a car ignitian coil connected in the middle of two diodes connected in series.

Also I am beginning to think of the output coil of a Tesla coil differently.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #159 on: October 11, 2013, 04:21:54 PM »
All are eager to replicate Barbosa, Kapanadze or the frenchman's device that sucks energy from the ground in terms of oscillating current but nobody gives a sh...t IF its even possible via one wire to achieve that.


I have thought this in the past and tried unsuccessfully to just make it happen. You are all fond of Tesla's work but you do not even aknowledge this.. little bothering issue.
Actually indeed Tesla has suggested that and its found in his notes.


:)


ps: we are not talking about free energy, just one terminal oscillator large capacitance

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #160 on: October 11, 2013, 04:43:57 PM »
This is may first test of Barbosa device. It is very interestingly.


Where do you place the connections for output loads? Use any ground connection?

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« Reply #161 on: October 11, 2013, 04:55:14 PM »
And this pipe must be connected to earth ground . In the patent Barbosa Leal said the ground wire should be connected to the thick wire through magnetic induction . I believe also that the loads are not placed on the thick wire circuit but the circuit ground wire.

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  The secondary winding of the transformer coil should be such that you do two poles equals one for up and one for down. One side reinforces the field of the transformer and the other weakens . How this will happen in transformers inductor and coil you will have an avalanche current . And to control all this current to an acceptable level. Pass the thick wire inside a tube of copper or aluminum , which will cause a brake on the chain due to electromagnetic effect . be continue
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  Good afternoon , I've been studying the patent Barbosa Leal and realized I : 1 - The secondary windings of the transformers do not seem to be conventional , 2 - There are two transformers , one he calls the coil and the other inducer . The transformer coil believe this is wrapped in a conventional manner ( the counterclockwise ) . The transformer inductor should be wound this the opposite of the first ( clockwise ) . be continue


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The transformer secondary to produce two equal poles should be wrapped as follows, start the first round, when you find the wire wich started the loop pass over it, down wire that is being rolled up, pass under the wire where it began coil and then all the way back to the beginning of the loop. This way you produce two equal poles. Do not forget that the other transformer all has to be exactly the opposite
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Yes, the Barbosa-Leal patents shows North-South poles in transformers and lining them up NS-NS-NS in several configerations.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #162 on: October 11, 2013, 05:57:04 PM »
  In my work and testing of the Exciter circuits "energy from thin air", as in the different Dr. Stiffler type of oscillators, I had placed a diode (or AV plug) on the earth ground, and found the the energy is "flowing" into the direction of the device, from the ground, and not to the ground, as in normal "grounding" operations. And this extra energy can be measured with a meter, and is also accumulative into capacitors, and batteries.
  Now, could it be that there is no actual "flow" going on, neither into, nor out of, the Earth itself? But, instead there is a polarization effect that is happening. Possibly, not of electrons, but more similar to Ions? Which are also similar to how photons can create light. And that this polarization effect is causing a polarity of this "static current", which can be tapped into, and utilized to make useable electricity. And,  it's this polarization process, and not a flow, as we are currently assuming, that is what is causing the bulbs to light. Without any "flow" at all, but with a polarity, similar to a magnet. As there are no electrons flowing in a magnet, yet most all known sources of electricity production are using magnets to create and manufacture electricity.

  Just as lightning can light the sky, yet, without traveling as we are being taught, still. 
A polarization effect,  without any actual "movement", at all.  Static polarization.
  Think about it, don't let what we have been "taught" catch us with our pants down.

  If we are to figure out the cause and effect of free energy, we need to think differently, outside the "BOX", as it's not going to come from the same concepts as we have been taught, as when we are connected to a closed loop grid source.

  My contribution here is to instigate the idea, that, there is no movement going on, at all, but a "polarization process and effect" similar to a magnet, instead.
  Magnets don't run out of energy, because they are not the source of it. Although in time, their ability to create this useable polarity diminishes. 
 
  Don't argue the point, please.  Just think about it...

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #163 on: October 11, 2013, 07:02:59 PM »

Where do you place the connections for output loads? Use any ground connection?

I must first find the phenomenon to drive current from a short circuit.

Ground!  :) :)
No need ground, no need air. Energy from ground  :) :)

This is bullshit in Barbosa device.
This wire (grounding) use only for connect secundary winding of two or three transformer secundary.

Ground wire is the same like N-wire from Grid. Ground and N-wire from grid is the same potential.




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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #164 on: October 11, 2013, 07:48:54 PM »
I must first find the phenomenon to drive current from a short circuit.

Ground!  :) :)
No need ground, no need air. Energy from ground  :) :)

This is bullshit in Barbosa device.
This wire (grounding) use only for connect secundary winding of two or three transformer secundary.

Ground wire is the same like N-wire from Grid. Ground and N-wire from grid is the same potential.


Interesting, so don't need ground, that would make this design portable  :)
How many turns did you wind on your transformers with the new heavy gauge wire, wire size, photo of your setup?


 

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