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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1239611 times)

Offline vrand

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #135 on: October 08, 2013, 07:51:41 PM »

I tried several configurations and none of them got OU. I got some others ideas and I share with you guys.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yp57lgCXc4I


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Y3E5gLvc25o


In the first video, 2 transformers having 110 volts input in the primary ( transformer 1) and one 100 watts light bulb in the secondary ( transformer 2). The amps in the primary is 4.8A.
In the second video, the same 2 transformer but I put one of them in the top of the other. The amps drops to 2.4 A. The voltage in the secondary still the same.
This was just a test. I connect 3 transformer as my friend Carlos did and I had the same results.
By the way, using 1 transformer ans put 2 turns in the secondary in short circuit, the current goes to more than 100 Amps....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x8Fo-rjD1ys


Thank you for sharing your experiment results. Yes, 100 amps needs that big wire  :)


I didn't see the ground wire connected to the loop?  What size was that wire and where did you ground it?  House ground or separate ground connection outside?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #136 on: October 08, 2013, 07:52:56 PM »

Thank you for posting the videos.  Was there a separate ground wire connection (loops?) to your added large closed loop coil wire?  Where did the ground wire tie to?  Building ground wire system or separate ground rod outside?
No earthing wire is used only carlos schematic
 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #137 on: October 08, 2013, 08:02:46 PM »
I am not sure about all this. Did you actually get OU?  It looks to me just like messing with active and reactive component of power and it is very normal the wire gets very hot because the electromagnetic induction. Barbosa and Lea they say the electron trap works on the principle of inducting electrons from the grounding wire which has no electrical contact  with the loop. To be honest with you I can't imagine how the small hook of wire can induct so much power into the loop. "The surface matter"  I can imagine the grounding wire wrapped all around the loop. I will try it as soon as I will get the transformers.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #137 on: October 08, 2013, 08:02:46 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #138 on: October 08, 2013, 08:39:09 PM »
I am not sure about all this. Did you actually get OU?  It looks to me just like messing with active and reactive component of power and it is very normal the wire gets very hot because the electromagnetic induction. Barbosa and Lea they say the electron trap works on the principle of inducting electrons from the grounding wire which has no electrical contact  with the loop. To be honest with you I can't imagine how the small hook of wire can induct so much power into the loop. "The surface matter"  I can imagine the grounding wire wrapped all around the loop. I will try it as soon as I will get the transformers.


Here is Barbosa and Leal original video demonstration:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q


Is that the small green wire the grounding wire loop, which looks to be at least 1 turn on the large loop cable, the main grounding wire ? 


That green wire looks like a 12 awg next to that 0000 awg wire?  No way it could push 1000 amps. 


Something else is happening with that ground wire than just pushing amp?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #139 on: October 08, 2013, 08:39:38 PM »

Thank you for sharing your experiment results. Yes, 100 amps needs that big wire  :)


I didn't see the ground wire connected to the loop?  What size was that wire and where did you ground it?  House ground or separate ground connection outside?
As I said, I tried several configurations and this one in the movie does show the ground. My ground is a industrial one and I saw no difference or any residual current....Still more tests to be done.
By the way, the loop current, as you can see in the video, goes to 1000 Amps at the starts and drops to 900 Amps. I could't keep on for more than 30 seconds. cable is 4/0.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #139 on: October 08, 2013, 08:39:38 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #140 on: October 08, 2013, 09:02:42 PM »
I am also a little bit confused with using the AC. The condition was to have POLARISED LOOP (+) .  It is quite logical as the grounding potential is (-)  and with the help of magnetic field can be free electrons attracted or pushed in to the loop. But this is not case of AC  (i think)  Also , I could imagine better functionality with very sharp ON/OF  - not sinus? 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #141 on: October 08, 2013, 11:46:21 PM »
I think they used the ground / loop induction and transformer secondary one  open line to limit the increase of current in the loop
the electron trap is in the loop cable   
using 3 transformers with 2 turns each   the third to the  220 v ac / 12 v dc converter  back to the 12 v dc battery that supplies the 2 parallel primary of transformer 1 and 2
the loop in the third transformer is extended and closed by a 4th coil  primary  400 / 220 v ac   and secondary open line to one leg of load     
earth to another leg of load
Now you have a self generating power supply    hope somebody will try this 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #142 on: October 09, 2013, 12:59:04 AM »
   John.K1:
   I'm not sure about any of this, either.  Maybe Toto can try it and let us know if he ever obtains any positive results. 

 "The condition was to have POLARISED LOOP (+)" .
  Can you explain what is meant by having a "POLARIZED LOOP", in this case.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #143 on: October 09, 2013, 09:54:21 AM »
I guess POLARIZED LOOP simply means to connect it to the positive terminal? As on the picture I posted before? That's what I read in their patent application? Have to experiment with that. And to be honest with you I do not believe it is so simple as they state. If yes - is here anybody who proved OU on that simple device? Sorry my pessimism 8) I have no transformers to mess with that at the moment. I am just winding the E core and will try to use pulsed DC , 3 loops of pickup wire and grounding wire winded on that.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #144 on: October 10, 2013, 01:42:17 AM »
Leonardo bezerra has an interesting analysis of Barbosa diagram         you can check out on my YT channel

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #145 on: October 10, 2013, 02:14:46 AM »
So is this video possibly showing the same idea? Or is it just a fake??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIJjIBVJgU4


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #146 on: October 10, 2013, 11:05:43 AM »
I attempted a replication using 3 large toroid transformers, 4 turns each for the center wire loop, using a variac for input (~100 to 230VAC @ 50hz), with the ground connection as per the patent. Nothing out of the ordinary occurred. I measured the voltage on the output end and it was ~50VAC at about 200VAC. At 230VAC it was enough to light a 75W incandescent light bulb as a load, however the input wattage was not OU (or even close to it).

My ground wire was looped around the center wire - I also tried it connected, and also forming a loop like a 1 to 1 air core transformer.

Note that I did not use my household ground - instead I used a seperate grounding rod I use for HV stuff that consists of thick copper wire connected to a large fencing hinge buried in the ground which I water prior to use.

As is to be expected with so few turns of wire as the secondary, the center wire loop did heat up quickly.

Assuming the patent is valid in terms of producing OU via ground fed electrons, it may be that more sophisticated electronics/configuration is required for resonance etc. The patent mentions both AC and DC input are applicable however this may simply be a statement to maximise the scope of the patent.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #147 on: October 10, 2013, 01:23:10 PM »
Truesearch:  Thanks for link. It looks very similar to Kapanadze. I understand a little bit what he say and the point was again to get right resonance. His device we can see is around 1 KW and he attempt to make a device 2-3 KW. Even if this is a fake I still believe it is possible to make something like that.  I think, point is to not think the resonance only but also capacitance,rotational magnetic field and the property of copper ( transmutation ability - kicking effect)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #148 on: October 10, 2013, 02:14:41 PM »
I too have failed to replicate the Barbosa-Leal patent.
Under international patent law a patent is only valid if it contains sufficient information for an operative
skilled in the art to replicate the device.
Therefore these guys do NOT have a valid patent and anyone who discovers the secret
can patent their discovery.
Simple as that.
That goes also for Kapanadze.
Under patent law you are legally allowed to make a replication for your own personal use.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #149 on: October 11, 2013, 06:54:42 AM »
Following the suggestion in yt
Instead of copper tube o wrapped .6mm magnet wire around 6mm cable
I cannot make a loop due to increase in diameter so i just inserted the cable in 3 secondary transformers and then connect the earth to magnet wire
I used 12 v battery inverter  and consumed 900 ma dc    to light a load of one 5 watt led lamp and no more light will light up
Direct 220 v ac produced the same cause no turns made in the 3 transformer

To control the avalanche current  loop cable must be onserted into a cpper or aluminum  tubing
Next test will be with microwave ovem transformer

 

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