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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1580973 times)

Offline tesletic

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1020 on: February 25, 2015, 11:58:48 AM »
I think this will interest some of you .. EM, and government research

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iMokLg9-eY#t=73

Thanks Scribat for reminding me as I know him for years as you can see on my (old) pages although never seen this interview ! http://view-tronics.com/mymindtwist/zpe.htm I agree with all the technical stuff he explains and he is sure far more intelligent then myself but then again what is ''intelligent'' LOL  ;D Some people confuse it with successful !  ;D  Anyway I absolutely do not agree with his ''governmental, patents etc'' solution as this will never work !? The ''RADIANT'' technology should be available to be build for all entities on this planet, meaning not being restricted or withhold by any person country or company.

Eventually what we are doing here is unstoppable for the powers that be because of the same facts like I wrote on my bike pages http://tesletic.view-tronics.com/projectinfo.htm When this really takes of the only way for them to get profit out of it is just make taxes on the roads and the air we breathe ! For example here in Spain you have to pay a tax if you use solar panels ! DUH yea I know unbelievable !   :o

Anyway this forum can make the difference that is for sure as I am waiting  impatiently for Clarence findings...and thank you all.  ;)
 


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1021 on: February 25, 2015, 01:24:24 PM »
making you pay tax for collecting sunlight is IMMORAL, only an evil government would seek to deny a person's natural right to light. If it is like that now we must think how it might be if we permit AGENDA 21 and a Global government (World  dictatorship).

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1022 on: February 25, 2015, 02:46:40 PM »
Clarence:

Hello Void, a.king21, & ALL,

Have not been able to finish my connections as extreme cold ( VERY unusual here!) and rain has hampered my progress.
will make effort to finish to day and get some testing done.
Patience.

thanks - working on it.

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1023 on: February 26, 2015, 06:41:15 PM »
Clarence:

Hello Void, a.king21, & ALL,

Have not been able to finish my connections as extreme cold ( VERY unusual here!) and rain has hampered my progress.
will make effort to finish to day and get some testing done.
Patience.

thanks - working on it.

Clarence

Clarence:

Hello & All,

Have not finished readings and testing yet  but so as to not crowd too much info in one posting here is
some correct as I believe a GOOD 40 ground rod build should look like. and it is not anything as wild as the
40 rod system that B&L recommended. they said (supposedly) it covered a 30 METER by 50 METER area!
that is NOT realistic as far as the data I have in my personal computer ...WHICH IS ME!!...I have more data
stored inside me than my desktop computer has in it and it has over 1,000,000 files stored in it. anyway I KNOW that
most well known radiant energy people advocate a 2 meter space between ground rods which in USA terms MEANS 6 feet!!!!
I believe what B&L meant was FEET instead of METERS!
If you apply the 6 foot space rule to the 30 by 50 you come out with a 48 rod RETURN system and a 5 rod into ground system
which makes a hell of a lot more sense!
AND it takes up WAY less space to get the job done.
In the attachment you can drag one or both of the open end legs to the left or right of your property around either
side of your house as needed! just be sure to maintain the 6 foot space between rods and rows of rods.
Its that simple!
enough.
back to work.

thanks and cheers!

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1024 on: February 28, 2015, 02:50:54 PM »
Clarence:

Hello @ ALL,

this posting is to be considered with my previous posting concerning the 40 to 48 ground rod GROUND GRID SYSTEM
layout I proposed at that time. after having completed hours of testing and evaluation of results I am more than ever SURE
its a GOOD layout to follow AND one that is actually needed to succeed.

I spent all of last night using every configuration that came to thought with all of the build components that you have seen plus.
first let me say that the LAST SIX RODS I placed this last week W E R E  an IMPROVEMENT!!!!
I had started off with just the 2 rod RETURN system from the earth but that only gave the capture circuit using the
ground leg as the circuit neutral leg an available voltage to load of 84-90 volts.  NO GOOD!
next I decided to use a circle pattern of 8 rods. but that many rods only gave a neutral leg voltage to load 0f 110.7 volts. NO GOOD!
I did some reasoning and figured I needed a total of around 20 rods. I decided to do 6 more rods and see. total of 14 rods.

this time it gave me a voltage to load of 113 volts. GOOD but NOT QUITE ENOUGH! I need to do 6 to nine more!!!
I am fairly sure this will give me the background potential needed to avoid any more voltage drop to load.

before I started testing I had problems with my Trip Litte PR30 power supply. when I would power the system up with
the batt array and then use the system circuit to start the power supply the heavy load surge would kill the inverter immediately!
the lower battery voltage and the surge was just more than my 1000 W inverter can handle! So I decided to try the PR15 unit I thought I had fried.
after it had cooled down back then it was still OK! I tried it but all it would do is just make the inverter PULSE on and off. so I decided to power it by
my house mains as I did last time I tested!!! when I powered it up and started the inverter with the battery and then flipped the switch
on the power supply it hummed slightly but would not put out any voltage. the power supply internal over voltage switch was fighting
against the battery voltage. I turned the battery off and all was well! That is WHY it overheated way back there

 I plugged a kill-a-watt first and then an outlet array into the capture circuit and plugged the red 250 watt bulb into the circuit and it started to
pulse off and on so I said to self 250 watts load is to much. the voltage on the kill-a-watt at the inverter showed 115 volts+-. 
so I plugged my small battery charger in for a start load and went ahead and hooked it up to the battery array since it was off.
next I plugged  a 36 watt CFL and the kill-a-watt I placed at the head of the circuit showed the voltage start to drop a little.
next I took my dremmel tool and hooked it into the circuit and turned it on wide open. the voltage on the capture kill-a-watt now showed 113 volts+-
at 204 watts. since I knew 250 watts was too much I stopped loading  and settled for the 204 watt load.  I also took the dremmel tool and tried to stop the
RPM but that did NOT happen and didn't bother the load voltage either. I let everything run as stated for 2 and 1/2 hours with no changes in voltages or watts 
on the meters so I turned every thing off and stopped.

A GOOD improvement to my way of thinking. all in all it says the system does work!. I just need to meet the 20 rod pattern I previously figured on
plus a couple. also I know definitely that I need to up size my Inverter and I believe the PR15 can handle the load also.
also I need to tackle the problem of the power supply fighting the battery voltage................I can tell you how B&L DID IT!!!! when the problem came up for them
they simply switched to a UPS (uninteruptible power supply.............."NO-BREAK SYSTEM" as they called it). it did all the switching and monitoring for them
and has ALL the same components in it plus a capacitor and a few dedicated circuits and sensors! they put all THREE of the systems together for themselves
and came up with a winner!  1. UPS    2. Capture system   3. GROUND GRID SYSTEM .

NOTE: the ground grid lead DID show 1.8 amps and the capture loop went from 1.3 amps to 1.4 amps
            again that says things are working the way they should!


thanks and cheers
Im tired!

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1025 on: February 28, 2015, 07:39:28 PM »
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the detailed update. Ok on your new ground rod system results.
I wasn't quite clear how you had things hooked up when you ran for 2 1/2 hours. Were you
completely disconnected from the AC mains, and were you using the small battery charger to charge the
batteries in the loop?

It appears from some of your previous replies that you don't like it much when people offer suggestions,
so just ignore the following suggestions if you like. :)
IMO, it is quite sufficient in the beginning for your testing to just have no load other than the battery charger
charging the batteries. If you can have an ammeter continually measuring the current drawn from the batteries by the
inverter, and also have another ammeter measuring the current being supplied by the battery charger to the batteries,
I think that can help give a clearer picture how the system is behaving. If the battery charger is maintaining a charge current
to the batteries at close to what the inverter is pulling from the batteries, over several hours, I think that would be a good
achievement already. As mentioned before, a smart battery charger should work well for this application because it is specifically
designed to regulate its output based on the existing charge level on the batteries. I don't know if there would be an advantage of going
to the extra expense of a UPS, since a smart battery charger and some batteries is a similar arrangement. What are you thinking the
UPS might be able to do that a smart battery charger won't provide you?

All the best...

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1026 on: February 28, 2015, 10:47:28 PM »
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the detailed update. Ok on your new ground rod system results.
I wasn't quite clear how you had things hooked up when you ran for 2 1/2 hours. Were you
completely disconnected from the AC mains, and were you using the small battery charger to charge the
batteries in the loop?

It appears from some of your previous replies that you don't like it much when people offer suggestions,
so just ignore the following suggestions if you like. :)
IMO, it is quite sufficient in the beginning for your testing to just have no load other than the battery charger
charging the batteries. If you can have an ammeter continually measuring the current drawn from the batteries by the
inverter, and also have another ammeter measuring the current being supplied by the battery charger to the batteries,
I think that can help give a clearer picture how the system is behaving. If the battery charger is maintaining a charge current
to the batteries at close to what the inverter is pulling from the batteries, over several hours, I think that would be a good
achievement already. As mentioned before, a smart battery charger should work well for this application because it is specifically
designed to regulate its output based on the existing charge level on the batteries. I don't know if there would be an advantage of going
to the extra expense of a UPS, since a smart battery charger and some batteries is a similar arrangement. What are you thinking the
UPS might be able to do that a smart battery charger won't provide you?

All the best...

Clarence:

Hello Void,

I was only using the small battery charger as a kind of varied load group to see what the circuit voltage drop might or might
not be and not for any other purpose. I just figured while it was running I would put it to good use during the testing period- no
other special reason. I chose the CFL for a  light device and then chose a motor type device also just at random things.
after I included the dremmel motor I saw the total watt load was getting upwards towards the 250 mark so I stopped adding any other loads
and just let things run for a while to see if there were any great ups or downs - there wasn't so I shut it down.

my main purpose was to just see how loads would affect the circuit voltage! no drop would mean I had sufficient rods in the ground return
and a drop would mean I had not enough yet. this was the first time there was not a really drastic drop so I could tell I was getting close to the
amount of return rods I should have.

About the IMO thing -- bring em on! Its a free world last I heard. I guess age has made me a BLUNT person but I NEVER mean
to be disrespectful to anyone. most of the time when I say I wont talk about something simply means I just don't have the time
available to discuss a particular matter. my ass stays so busy its like one cat scratching dirt to take a poo and nine others searching for new ground.

IMO my power supply is similar to your smart charger they both have to be fed AC to make them operate to power the inverter and make the majic happen.
its just that my power supply doesn't like batteries AT ALL. a UPS system instantly switches the battery into a charge mode and powers the rectifier
in milli seconds-no fighting at all! Im serious, IF you have the time (and i'm not being ridiculous) enlighten me!
either by PM or open on the forum (probably better for others).

Lovin this forum gentlemen - it just keeps getting better!

thanks again and cheers

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1027 on: March 01, 2015, 12:51:42 AM »
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the reply. Maybe I am misunderstanding how you have things
connected when you are running your tests. I was thinking that you are always leaving your
battery pack inline, with the battery pack running the inverter. The battery charger is constantly
charging the batteries to close the loop. This way the battery pack acts as a regulator to give the
inverter a fairly steady input voltage. By a smart battery charger, I mean just a battery charger that
automatically regulates its output current based on the battery's charge level. If the battery is fully charged,
the smart battery charger's output current is very low or zero. Is this what you were doing? See the
attached diagram for how I was thinking you are connecting in your circuit components.
All the best...
« Last Edit: March 01, 2015, 03:54:16 AM by Void »

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1028 on: March 01, 2015, 04:40:41 AM »
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the reply. Maybe I am misunderstanding how you have things
connected when you are running your tests. I was thinking that you are always leaving your
battery pack inline, with the battery pack running the inverter. The battery charger is constantly
charging the batteries to close the loop. This way the battery pack acts as a regulator to give the
inverter a fairly steady input voltage. By a smart battery charger, I mean just a battery charger that
automatically regulates its output current based on the battery's charge level. If the battery is fully charged,
the smart battery charger's output current is very low or zero. Is this what you were doing? See the
attached diagram for how I was thinking you are connecting in your circuit components.
All the best...

Clarence:

Hello Void,

the circuit you show is good! the problem is that my Tripp Lite PR15 is NOT a charger-it is a constant POWER SUPPLY
bench type that is SUPPOSED to be able to be used with a battery to help charge it so the company stated. but that is
not the case! it actually delivers a CONSTANT 13.8 volt supply as output. that's why I tried to use it as a constant 13.8 volt
supply is ideal for a 12 volt inverter.
however when I switch it on being powered by the inverter output it senses the battery voltage and wont put out
anything as it thinks it is over volting. at the same time the battery voltage stats fluctuating from 0 to all points
between 12 volts and that drops out the inverter! a UPS  system eliminates any system chaos by switching every
thing apart from each other in milli seconds. I have searched in the past but I havent found any FAST smart charger
that has impressed me. I don't want to kick the system off with the batts fully charged and not have them kept that way.
no slow go charge wont get it!

Ill have to think about it awhile and see what to do. In the meanwhile FOR TESTING PURPOSES ONLY I will continue
to use mains supply to power the Tripp PR15. sometimes you cant stress things enough! ( OH MY GOD - hes using mains!)

If you have any view points - jump on in! the waters fine!
thanks again VOID.
cheers.

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1029 on: March 01, 2015, 06:10:16 AM »
Hi Clarence. Ok, I see. I am sure you will figure something out.
You are doing a great job.
All the best...

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1030 on: March 01, 2015, 06:05:28 PM »
Hi Clarence. Ok, I see. I am sure you will figure something out.
You are doing a great job.
All the best...

HE DESERVES A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE AND A BIG THANKYOU for all his efforts and for sharing with the rest of us I'm sure that we will all soon recognise that making this open source will be seen to be a big step forward in the development of this type of energy system.  He deserve a big hooray and at dinner tonight I will raise my glass and propose a toast to Clarence, for he's a jolly good fellow, and deserves our support and encouragement for the successful completion of this project. well done.  .. skribat.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1031 on: March 01, 2015, 07:48:02 PM »
HE DESERVES A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE AND A BIG THANKYOU for all his efforts and for sharing with the rest of us I'm sure that we will all soon recognise that making this open source will be seen to be a big step forward in the development of this type of energy system.  He deserve a big hooray and at dinner tonight I will raise my glass and propose a toast to Clarence, for he's a jolly good fellow, and deserves our support and encouragement for the successful completion of this project. well done.  .. skribat.

Clarence:

Hello skribat,

Thanks for your support and kindness!!!!

& @ ALL,

I am not thru yet until thru is DONE. I appreciate all of your support!
I am going to complete whatever rods it takes for the ground return system to maintain the same constant voltage the inverter puts out
to the B&L circuit  with a satisfactory amount of load while doing it.
however be mindful that sometimes it takes me awhile to get things done because of time delay for funds or parts.
I will always continue to post new information as I obtain it and test it for viability. so never despair!

@ VOID

I believe I have found a remedy that will help me to keep and use my TRIPP LITE PR15. I will test my answer to see if it works way later today.

Thanks again gentlemen for your support!

CHEERS!

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1032 on: March 01, 2015, 09:09:48 PM »
Using the grid as the supply is ok as long as all things related to using it are considered.

1) With a grounded neutral and an RCD/safety switch in place the return current between the load and the supply through the ground trips the meter for safety to prevent possible death, If the RCD is bypassed or a circuit arranged to allow the return ground currents rather than using the neutral as the return then it's dangerous.

2) If you use the grid and an isolation transformer then the RCD tripping problem can be avoided. But as soon as one leg of the isolation transformer output is grounded to imitate a grid supply and a portable plug in RCD is used the same problem persists.

3) It is bypassing the neutral and using the ground to carry the return current that causes the in line energy meters to not read the true power.

4) Regardless of the supply type, weather or not the input and output power measurements are true and accurate is the main problem with this type of set up.

..
 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1033 on: March 02, 2015, 05:22:24 AM »
Hi Clarence. Ok, I see. I am sure you will figure something out.
You are doing a great job.
All the best...

Clarence:

Hello VOID,

I thought about it awhile and I found an answer and a good one for being able to use my TRIPP LITE PR15 to power the
Inverter I use in the B&L unit (Aims 1000W / 2000Wsurge). as I said I was useing mains supply to power the Tripp unit because
it would not work without having problems with the battery system since it was tied to the invertor input also. so I said Self - they
are just like humans - if they cant get along together then separate them!!! so thats what I did.

I had a small 300 GO_PRO inverter, so I took the batteries completely away from being in unison with the Tripp output and let
the batteries only serve to power the 300 Watt inverter and plugged the Tripp unit into that small inverter. I then attached the
out put posts of the Tripp unit to the 1000W inverter to power it directly. so now I had TWO separate systems BUT only connected together
through DC means. I realized ahead of time that I would have to provide a charging method for the batteries but this time there would
not be such a load on them and I could easily use the B&L capture output to power a proper size but not huge smart charger.
again a DC to DC connection but cross system. not having a smart charger on hand I decided to use one of my mini chargers and power it
temporary by mains (that dirty word again)

I got every thing ready to operate and i turned on the 300W inverter and then flipped the switch on the TRIPP LITE unit and it come on nice and quitely!
I took my clamp meter probes and attached to the leads at the 1000 W B&L inverter and it read a steady 13.8 volts! HOW SWEET!
I attached my multimeter probes to the battery supply post and it read 12.4 volts. I attached the mini charger to the posts also.  I also took a 38 W
CFL and plugged it into the B&L capture system out put receptacle and it lit up brightly!  Every thing was working and very quiet for a change! Beautiful!

I had already put the kill-a-watt meters every where so i took all the readings.

out put from 300W Go Pro: 60HZ...111.7 volts....0.84 amps...70.9watts

mains mini charger             :60HZ...123.0 volts....0.22 amps...2.7watts

capture output  light          :60.1HZ...116.0volts...0.32 amps...22.0watts

after I took the readings 15 minutes had passed and I checked the battery reading and it was 12.0 volts, which makes me think that
a smart charger would not have trouble building the batteries and keeping them at a 12.++volt float level during system operation.
all of this proves to me this is the way to go - because I like the constant 13.8 voltage available to the inverter for the B&L capture system.
a low voltage make an inverter perform poorly and that's not my idea of good.

slowly getting the bugs out of the system but at least its defined progress.
when I up size to my larger inverter I will use the present Aims 1000W inverter to be the power in place of the tiny 300W unit. its really a
laugh but it was just for proof of concept.

Thanks and cheers!

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1034 on: March 05, 2015, 01:55:35 PM »
Hi Clarence:
   You are a gem mate. The earth ground has some very strange properties. I can remember
many years ago when I was in Wyoming, I was hired to ride fence and repair any breaks. The
gent I was with made the mistake of grabbing two ends of a barbed wire strand to put them back
together and it gave him one hell of a jolt. Surface charge is very real and can be quite large.
In the hundreds of volts some times.
   We need to remember that two voltages will have  a difference between them. That equates
to a potential that will do work. The ground is at one level and your device is at another.

Keep on and thanks for shareing your findings allong the way.