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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1580997 times)

Offline Bob Smith

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1005 on: February 08, 2015, 05:47:42 PM »
FWIW,
YT user Hibridor's newest video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtIdTQWkCuM

Translation:

28 sec: (Image of VLC SLIM)
- "The device is a suppressor of high tension spikes used as a "pararayos" (lightning conductor/rod). Technically, it is a spark gap."

39 sec: (Image of Kapanadze [Kapagen(?)] windings)
- "Spark gap"
   "Kapanadze generator"

44 sec:
- "1. In the primary winding the tension is elevated thanks to the closed loop."

50 sec:
- " The VLC SLIM discharges the (high tension) surge towards the ground"

55sec:
- "The process repeats itself continuously generating a constant pulsing."

1:00:
- "!!!A spark gap!!! -SG- This is how power is gained.
   The Kapanadze/Tesla technique."


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1006 on: February 08, 2015, 05:52:29 PM »
Hi Skribat
Glad to help in a small way. My interest is in identifying the central principle(s) involved. As you say, there seems to be elements in common with TK's work, and I'm sure there are others.  The patent notes that this B&L technology can be used "to trap electrons from space" as well to "extract electrons from the earth." See page 33, first paragraph here:
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter3.pdf

I believe this is basically what Moray was doing - starting with pulling a charge out of the earth, then later adapting his setup to use a kind of virtual ground. Bearing that in mind then, what is it that this system is actually doing?  Is it perhaps more in the nature of exciting the electrostatic environment and creating a kind of gradient of charge imbalance/separation which invites nature to supply charges to restore what the environment perceives as an imbalance?

In my mind, if we can figure out this principle and how to apply it in a variety of different modalities (solid state, mechanical and hybrid combinations), we can effectively blow open a door with huge possibilities - one that can't be closed.
Bob

hi bob thakyou for that it made very interesting reading .. right down to the much ignored ,, vibrator ..  ' magnetic pulse generator' ? ..  there is also a striking resemblence to the Lutec magnetic motor / generator which you may know about, patents have been granted in more than 60 countries .. same technology as far as I can ascertain. ..  you can search youtube for the Jan2015 upload, the Lutec website was taken down when they entered into negotiations with (reportedly) a Singapore company ? one year ago .. sk

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1007 on: February 08, 2015, 06:00:53 PM »
FWIW,
YT user Hibridor's newest video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtIdTQWkCuM

Translation:

28 sec: (Image of VLC SLIM)
- "The device is a suppressor of high tension spikes used as a "pararayos" (lightning conductor/rod). Technically, it is a spark gap."

39 sec: (Image of Kapanadze [Kapagen(?)] windings)
- "Spark gap"
   "Kapanadze generator"

44 sec:
- "1. In the primary winding the tension is elevated thanks to the closed loop."

50 sec:
- " The VLC SLIM discharges the (high tension) surge towards the ground"

55sec:
- "The process repeats itself continuously generating a constant pulsing."

1:00:
- "!!!A spark gap!!! -SG- This is how power is gained.
   The Kapanadze/Tesla technique."
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I love when a plan comes together .. well done ..sk

Offline Bob Smith

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1008 on: February 08, 2015, 06:24:33 PM »
Here's my question:
With a lower powered system (ie., much lower than mains), could we employ a zener diode in place of the VLC SLIM to get the same kind of pulsing action?
Bob

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1009 on: February 08, 2015, 07:24:51 PM »
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the update. Ok on you being the only farmhand. ;)
Take your time mate. Rushing at this sort of stuff does not help anything.
If it is kind of swampy out in your neck of the woods then that may mean that
you should have quite good potential conditions for getting a really good earth ground.
All the best...

Clarence:

Hello Void, a,king21, Spokane, & ALL,

This is the update on my B&L exact replication build with its improved GROUND GRID SYSTEM that I promised.

All of the news is GOOD news. bear in mind that I tested having my tripp lite PR30 powered by mains voltage ONLY
for this TESTING PURPOSE ONLY!!!!! NO mains voltage of ANY form will be used in my completed successful build!!!
any so-called replication build using any form of mains power in a completed build IS NOT A REPLICATION OF THE B&L DEVICE
- it is just bull shit.
 
1. the last time I tested before the improvement of the NEEDED ground grid system the return from the ground rods only produced
    a low voltage system voltage of 84 to 90 volts. I'll say just 84 volts (chose the lower). and that was using my PR15  tripp lite by means of the
    system circuit voltage which low voltage quickly burnt it up.
2. this time being cautious I tested by powering my new PR30  power supply from mains voltage, AGAIN I NEED TO SAY
     ....ONLY .... for testing purpose!!!!
    this time the new 8 rod open ended ring lit the 250 watt red heat bulb at 200 watts with a system circuit voltage of 110.7 volts.
    YES! an improvement!!!!!!!!!
3. being further curious AND CAUTIOUS I disconnected  the PR30 from mains supply and hooked it instead in the system circuit supply.
    without ANY test bulb plugged in. I wanted to see what the power supply load itself would do to the supply from the ground circuit voltage
    so with my finger kept on the power switch I turned the power supply on and the UNLOADED circuit supply voltage of 116.2 volts quickly
    dropped and settled out at 103.2 volts.I quickly hit the PR30 switch and shut it off so as not to damage it also.

All in all this improved ground system just says what this whole device is all about. AGAIN - ENERGY FROM THE GROUND!
at this point I have NO doubts that the B&L device AS shown in the patent language and drawings IS A VIABLE DEVICE!
when a SUFFICIENT ground grid is provided it will work as they stated!!!!!
they just may have not stressed the point about the magnitude of the grid system required.

In their country their system is a 220 volt system and definitely would require a LARGE GRID! especially a three phase system!
my system is a single phase system and 120/240 volts so a smaller GRID would suffice.
I also have been shown that the size of the GRID has to have ENOUGH BACKUP POTENTIAL so that system loads are not using up potential
FASTER than it can be RECEIVED!!!!
with this in mind in the next two weeks I am going to add 6 more rods to my system as I want to continue with the GRID size until I am able to
Power the 250 watt bulb with the power supply being IN the system circuit voltage and NOT ANY mains  voltage!!!

ONWARD!

thanks and cheers!

Clarence


     

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1010 on: February 08, 2015, 11:00:21 PM »
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the update. It sounds like you are making good progress. Good job! 
One thing you can possibly try is to use a sprinkler or spray hose to soak the ground around
your ground rods until the ground is really soaked, and see if there is any improvement. Soil type
also matters, but hopefully your soil in your area is half decent as far as ground conductivity.
Is your power supply a switch mode type power supply (SMPS) or the older linear type of power supply with
a big step down transformer? Does you power supply have built in max output current limiting?
All the best...

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1011 on: February 09, 2015, 12:14:32 AM »
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the update. It sounds like you are making good progress. Good job! 
One thing you can possibly try is to use a sprinkler or spray hose to soak the ground around
your ground rods until the ground is really soaked, and see if there is any improvement. Soil type
also matters, but hopefully your soil in your area is half decent as far as ground conductivity.
Is your power supply a switch mode type power supply (SMPS) or the older linear type of power supply with
a big step down transformer? Does you power supply have built in max output current limiting?
All the best...

Clarence:

Hello Void,

My new Tripp Lite PR30 model is the latest newer type with all the bells and whistles you mentioned.
you can enter a search and it will give you all the good details.

just a side note: after I was through testing I wanted to bring my 4 each 7 AH batts up to a full charge.
and I didn't want to use the PR30 by mains voltage to do it since it does have mild heat on its heat sink when operating
so I disconnected it and instead plugged my Power Sonic 12v500ma charger into the system while It was still running
(this is the charger made for the 4 each Power Sonic 7AH batts) and I noticed that the system circuit voltage
powered it just fine and the batt voltage started to climb back up from 12.4 v to 12.5 v so the system was
repowering itself nicely on idle so I said what to hell let me try something - I fliped the switch to the 250 red heat lamp and it lit up
still at the 200 watt 110.7 v I mentioned previously. I started to watch the batt voltage again with my meter and it stayed at the 12.5 v
for about ten minitues and then did its flicker back and forth dance for a while and then dropped back to 12.4. it stayed there for about
ten minutes and did the dance and then dropped to 12.3 v.  all this time I felt the charger and it never heated at all!
after a full 30 minutes I unplugged it from the system and powered it by the mains. then I shut the system down and let it do its thing.

The whole point is that I was amazed that  a small under 30.00 device could almost keep up with a 250.00 Tripp Lite PR30!
And at a lot less load on the system!  I went to the search to see if I could get another one and parallel them in the system circuit instead of
the huge power supply and its load draw. all I could find was the same thing in a now slightly larger charger called a PSC-800a-C charger.
almost the same draw but is a fast charge - float charge unit which doesn't overcharge automatically also.
for under 30.00 on E-Bay I am sure going to try the duo and see what happens.

LATER - thanks and cheers.

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1012 on: February 09, 2015, 12:46:46 AM »
Clarence, thanks for the update. It will be interesting to see how much juice you can extract from the ground.  Good luck.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1013 on: February 09, 2015, 02:41:51 AM »
Hi Clarence. Ok, I looked up your power supply. I was trying to figure out why the previous one might have
blown, but I am still not sure. Don't know that much about SMPS power supplies. Maybe the power supply
regulation circuitry won't work properly when it is driven with under voltage at its power input terminals.
A heavier duty battery charger as you mentioned looking at might be more tolerant of under voltage,
depending on the type and model, and they are designed for charging batteries, so they will self regulate their
charge rate. That may well be worth a try. Also as I mentioned before, really soaking the ground rods area for several hours,
even over a whole day or night, might help as well once the water really soaks in deep, if the ground is a bit dry
around the ground rods. Surface moisture probably won't help that much, but soaking down really deep might well help.

It might be interesting to run the system longer in a loop with the small battery charger you have in place,
but with no load connected, and monitor the charge current going into the batteries, and the voltage on
the batteries, say once an hour or every half hour. If it is maintaining a full charge on the batteries,
after say 6 hours or so while running in a closed loop, that is pretty good already. You could then try adding a
low wattage bulb for a load of say 15 to 25 Watts, and see if the system can maintain that in a closed loop.
If that works, then you can increment the load up a little bit more and see what it can maintain.
Good experimenting Lawrence. I agree with you that a person really needs to test without any connection to
the grid to have any real chance of seeing if the B&L system works as claimed or not.
All the best...


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1014 on: February 09, 2015, 03:37:09 AM »
Hi Clarence. Ok, I looked up your power supply. I was trying to figure out why the previous one might have
blown, but I am still not sure. Don't know that much about SMPS power supplies. Maybe the power supply
regulation circuitry won't work properly when it is driven with under voltage at its power input terminals.
A heavier duty battery charger as you mentioned looking at might be more tolerant of under voltage,
depending on the type and model, and they are designed for charging batteries, so they will self regulate their
charge rate. That may well be worth a try. Also as I mentioned before, really soaking the ground rods area for several hours,
even over a whole day or night, might help as well once the water really soaks in deep, if the ground is a bit dry
around the ground rods. Surface moisture probably won't help that much, but soaking down really deep might well help.

It might be interesting to run the system longer in a loop with the small battery charger you have in place,
but with no load connected, and monitor the charge current going into the batteries, and the voltage on
the batteries, say once an hour or every half hour. If it is maintaining a full charge on the batteries,
after say 6 hours or so while running in a closed loop, that is pretty good already. You could then try adding a
low wattage bulb for a load of say 15 to 25 Watts, and see if the system can maintain that in a closed loop.
If that works, then you can increment the load up a little bit more and see what it can maintain.
Good experimenting Lawrence. I agree with you that a person really needs to test without any connection to
the grid to have any real chance of seeing if the B&L system works as claimed or not.
All the best...

Clarence :

Hello Void, a.king 21,

thanks for your support!
I do all of my testing in increments as you stated. that is the only real way to define the parameters of the
system, this also gives you the ability to make good judgement calls on how to proceed with future improvements.
with reference to the ground rods, at this site only the first 12 inches is semi solid ground and after that the next 6 feet
of earth is such a wet water table I can manually just push the rods down by hand! then they stop suddenly when
they hit the clay level below the water table. just that last 16 inches is the chore. all of this swampland has already been
soaked for thousands of years! it doesn't need any more for sure.

with reference to the small charger for the batts , I already have one on the way from E-Bay - 29.75 including shipping.
as I said I am going to parallel it with the one I have at present and see what the results are. they still have some incremental sizes
that are larger that I can use if needed. my desire for this action is based on the fact (I believe) that they can get the job done with a lot smaller footprint
in both load draw and space occupied! I am definitely going to find out either way.

Again thanks for your support and interest!
Cheers

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1015 on: February 09, 2015, 04:04:00 AM »
Hi Clarence. Not sure if paralleling the two battery chargers will work. The two separate battery chargers will
be trying to regulate their output voltage/current separately, meaning they may be constantly trying to adjust their
output voltage/current relative to the other, and this might not give desirable results. It might work though. One somewhat
larger capacity battery charger might be better.

P.S. Ok on your ground where you have your ground rods being really soggy. I never imagined it was quite that swampy
on your property, but I have never lived in swamp country.  ;)

All the best...

« Last Edit: February 09, 2015, 02:58:23 PM by Void »

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1016 on: February 13, 2015, 05:38:51 PM »
Hi Clarence. Not sure if paralleling the two battery chargers will work. The two separate battery chargers will
be trying to regulate their output voltage/current separately, meaning they may be constantly trying to adjust their
output voltage/current relative to the other, and this might not give desirable results. It might work though. One somewhat
larger capacity battery charger might be better.

P.S. Ok on your ground where you have your ground rods being really soggy. I never imagined it was quite that swampy
on your property, but I have never lived in swamp country.  ;)

All the best...

Clarence:

Hello Void, a.king21, & ALL,

just a quick update so you won't think I fell off the earth. my supplies for installing SIX more ground rods as an
addition to the previous eight wont be in until Thursday of this coming week. I should have them installed and
ready for testing by Monday the 23 rd of this month.

In the meanwhile I have been testing the existing EIGHT ground rod return system to gain some type of reference data
to use against the newer 14 rod system when I get it installed.
I disconnected the Ground Grid System completely from the system as a whole. then I connected my Fluke 77IV Multimeter
to read DC voltage and connected the positive probe to the eight rod return source and the negative probe straight into the
earth soil and the indicator quickly started to rise and slowed and settled out at .400+ volts (I say plus + because I took
MANY readings, morning, noon, night, evening, midnight. etc. with the readings going to .420-.450-.430-.415-.470 and
points between) so I chose the LOW reading. All of this effort to get to a point!
I divided the .400 by the eight rods in the system providing the reading which gave an average of .05 DC volt potential per rod.

Now to explain where I was going with this process.
Since the B&L device was using 40 rods to have a fully capable and viable device OPERATING AT 220 VOLTS that would mean
that their system was receiving from the earth 40 X .05 = 2.0 volts as a low voltage carrier supply.
My system is A 120 VOLT SYSTEM  so I should need roughly around a 1.0 volt low voltage carrier supply! (LOGIC)
AGAIN ROUGHLY that would equate to a 20 rod ground system that I should have for my system to be viable.
However I am ONLY going to add the six more rods at this time and compare the improvement to my system as it operates at this time.

I ALREADY KNOW THAT THE EARTHS MAGNETIC FIELD VARIES GREATLY AT DIFFERENT POINTS ON THE GLOBE so don't
try to initiate that type of discussion with me because I won't answer you. that's WHY I said roughly!

 Am looking forward to getting the 6 new rods completed and results tested -YES YES!

thanks and Cheers!

Clarence


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1017 on: February 22, 2015, 06:05:43 PM »
[quote author=Void link=

P.S. Ok on your ground where you have your ground rods being really soggy. I never imagined it was quite that swampy
on your property, but I have never lived in swamp country.  ;)

All the best...
[/quote]

Clarence:

Hello Void, a.king21, & ALL,

just a quick info update:

I just finished the installation of the SIX new ground rods to be connected to the open ended circuit of
the previous EIGHT ground rods which will give me a new ground return circuit of 14 earth rods.

my wire to MAKE the connections wont be in until tomorrow afternoon so I will be working late to get that done!
So I wont be able to begin testing for new results until Tuesday morning!       that's life!!
Should be able to post some results by about noon Tuesday!

thanks and Cheers!

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1018 on: February 22, 2015, 06:45:53 PM »
Sounds good Clarence. Will be interested to hear how you make out with
the expanded ground rod grid system.
All the best...

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1019 on: February 24, 2015, 09:09:23 AM »
I think this will interest some of you .. EM, and government research

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iMokLg9-eY#t=73