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Hope

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Magnetically Imbalanced Wheel
« on: August 09, 2013, 07:58:22 AM »
Attraction sticks, repulsion does NOT stick.   Placing magnets on FLEXible rods on a clock face with all one field (let us say north facing outward) facing outward will build a base for us to prototype upon.   Then you can place north facing magnets from the 6:60 to 11:30 outer side to drive the magnets on the inner wheel (mounted on flex rods) towards the center or the circle.  And as well place and arrangement of magnets inner the 12:30 to 5:30 circle of magnets on the original circle of flex rod mounted magnets to repulse the south poles to the outer area of the circle.  This will drive the inner circle into imbalance and the wheel will seek balance using gravity.  This sounds complicated yet it is NOT     I do need someone developed in CaD to draw and post it.   I have been gravely ill yet tomorrow I should be released from the hospital to enjoy my life again.   This is a working theorem and should be proven with prototyping.   And a big hello to Dave Lambright for all his video work showing the movement of particles magnetically .
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truesearch

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Re: Magnetically Imbalanced Wheel
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2013, 12:00:47 AM »
@Hope:


I've read your explanation several times but I'm having difficulty in exactly comprehending what you envision ~ sorry.  :-[


Wishing you the best with your health situation.


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Hope

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Re: Magnetically Imbalanced Wheel
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2013, 09:55:56 PM »
Having errors galore trying to post answers to all your PM's.  Keep losing the connection.   I just got out of the hospital yesterday and I can see I will have to draw this out to make it intelligible.  BUT the main idea is to flex the magnets on one side inward and the other outward.  Inward is simple using an outer "like" field, the outward flex will have to be pushed from the inside of the disk that spins.
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Hope

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Re: Magnetically Imbalanced Wheel
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2013, 01:42:10 AM »
I am trying for the third time to post a sketch of this system without it working.
It is in a JPG format at 200 dots per inch on a normal sheet of printer paper size wise it a 1.34 MB file.

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Hope

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Re: Magnetically Imbalanced Wheel
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2013, 03:49:23 AM »
Ok,  finally I have it loaded.  But it is in downloads section under Imbalanced Magnetic Wheel.



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Hope

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Re: Magnetically Imbalanced Wheel
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2013, 03:50:55 AM »
Quote from: Hope on August 11, 2013, 03:49:23 AM
Ok,  finally I have it loaded.  But it is in downloads section under Imbalanced Magnetic Wheel.


http://www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/537/   this link will get you the drawing.



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FatBird

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Re: Magnetically Imbalanced Wheel
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2013, 03:57:29 AM »
Sorry, But it looks like "CLEAR AS MUD" to me.  LOL


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Hope

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Re: Magnetically Imbalanced Wheel
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2013, 05:10:23 AM »
Quote from: Hope on August 11, 2013, 03:50:55 AM

http://www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/537/   this link will get you the drawing.


Ok 5th try   hope this cropped version works:



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Farmhand

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Re: Magnetically Imbalanced Wheel
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2013, 06:00:04 AM »
I think I know what you mean Hope.  :) Interesting idea. I think the confusion comes from the way you drew the flexing magnets.

Do you mind if I try to make a drawing so you can see if I understand you.  ;) I think I can do it.

I must go to be repaired in the hospital as well, I get my assessment on wednesday,
with any luck I won't need an operation. Good to hear you are back into life.
I should be back in no time I just need a few screws and a new disc in my neck.  :-\
Usually a quick fix. I think I can make a drawing and then you will see if I "get" you then.

Maybe it could be done with a slightly different way to "move" or flex the rods/magnets.
Flexing may well be best though, when I think about it.

Wishing a good recovery for you.

Cheers
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Hope

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Re: Magnetically Imbalanced Wheel
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2013, 07:29:47 AM »
Any contribution is quite welcome Farmhand, thank you.  I did consider to place the magnets on joints that shifted but opted for a simple prototype design.  My double magnet circle showed it did add the weight correctly with flexing rods.


The power can be scaleable and plotted with existing formulas, which is of course due to the wheel following the known laws of physics.  The only twist is using magnetic fields to cause physical movement and a continuing imbalance of the device.
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Hope

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Re: Magnetically Imbalanced Wheel
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2013, 07:38:28 AM »
The parts marked "base C and base D" do not touch the disk which spins clockwise.   This disk can be made to turn counterclockwise with a simple rearrangement of the base mounted magnets.
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Farmhand

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Re: Magnetically Imbalanced Wheel
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2013, 08:51:21 AM »
Yep by your last two post's it sounds like what I'm seeing. Looks like it I mean to say, I've always thought there would be a way to make a wheel spin by itself.

Maybe you have found it.  ;)  I even have some plastic wheels I can use to try it out, as well as quite a few small but strong magnets. Hope it works for me.

Did you go under general anesthetic ?  That is the part I hate, handing over my consciousness. Scary if you're not mentally prepared I reckon, who knows maybe if we're lucky when under we come back with new revelations.  ;D

Anyway I'll try to draw it different so then, we'll know for sure if I've got you're thinking. It'll be a hand drawing but i'll find some circles to draw around.

Cheers

P.S. It might take some hours. And on a side note any wheel that will spin at even a reasonable speed could be used for driving a Van de Graff machine or some other static machine, then there is very little drag and a HV output.

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Farmhand

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Re: Magnetically Imbalanced Wheel
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2013, 02:47:00 PM »
Hi Hope, I made a drawing on the left close to the same as the bottom drawing of yours, and another from the side to show the rods and wheel support, with the side view I only drew some rods to make the drawing more clear to see, was the intention. As well as a single rod and magnet. I have small neo cylinder magnets so I drew a one.

I think the idea is that the left side big magnet pushes inwards the magnets on the rods which flex and shift weight inwards on the left side,
and the right hand big magnet pushes the magnets and flexes the rods to shift weight outwards on the right side. to create a unbalanced wheel.

But I think the trick to it will be to get the rods to flex enough and make the magnets "swing out" past the neutral point when they leave the influence of the left side big magnet,
Then while still "out" the magnets enter the influence of the big right magnet without needing to be actually pushed out, they would only need to be held out by the big magnet kind of thing, and the same at the bottom but from out to in.  :)  kinda like each rod is a pendulum when it leaves one magnet it swings out or in then just gets held there by the other magnet, the off balance does the rest. Maybe need a push to start it. It would have a speed but could be adjustable to vary optimum speed maybe. Worth a shot I think. I think the idea has some merit.

EDIT: Actually I was thinking it might be best to reverse the polarity or something so that the top magnet swings down then the bottom magnet would swing down as well and gravity could then aid the swing of the rod as well but I don't think that is possible. dunno, 

I guess the main thing is - Do I get your meaning do you think ?

Cheers
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Hope

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Re: Magnetically Imbalanced Wheel
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2013, 06:03:29 PM »
Yes it looks like you understand the principle.  An important note is that all the flex rods are all forced the same direction.  If repulsed to the right as the disk is facing you the unit spins clockwise.  If repulsed all left the spin will be counterclockwise.   I like the ease at which the unit can be driven forward or backwards.  Placing magnets on the rear of the disk will make it simple to build a direct drive generator.  I was thinking perhaps this unit is only useable in a gravity field,  but really there is gravity everywhere to some degree.


Thank you Farmhand for your great efforts.  (My situation in the hospital was that the thyroid was burning out my heart by making it beat fast and hard.)


A physics teacher has modeled the flex and shown it to cause an increase in weight towards the outer edge.  So simple, yet it took so long to arrange the all the pieces into a device we could all build and use.
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Farmhand

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Re: Magnetically Imbalanced Wheel
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2013, 10:58:54 PM »
Unfortunately, that's about all I can do just for now I have to travel a long way to see the surgeon.
So I may not post again for some days. But I'll be thinking.  ;D

Keep Well
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